The Bernie die-hards are now pinning their hopes on California.

[DCBob]

Hillary's big win, especially among Hispanics, in Texas last night, dashed those hopes.

Hispanic/Latino voters (from exit poll)
Clinton: 67
Sanders: 33

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/03/01/us/elections/texas-democrat-poll.html?_r=0

[KingFlorez]

1. In 2008, the Hispanic vote in California went big for Clinton

And this time around the black vote will go big for her. That equals a decent sized win for Clinton.

[DCBob]

6. Yeah, looks like a solid win for Hillary there.

I dont know where they are getting the idea that Sanders will win big there.

[dchill]

2. Yep. California is the ONLY state left.

Mm-hmm.

[Adrahil]

64. Michigan? Illinois? Florida? New York?

All those states are very likely for Clinton. Bernie needs big wins in big states. That's just math. Where is he going to get them?

[Jitter65]

3. I sure hope that CA holds for Hillary. nt

[Vinca]

4. Bernie die-hards AKA people who've seen the polls about who can beat Trump.

[DCBob]

9. CNN: Clinton tops Trump 52% to 44% among registered voters.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/

[Vinca]

17. New poll and the only one I've seen that has that result.

[Kall]

23. Same poll has Bernie +12

and beating Rubio & Cruz while Hillary loses to them, but I can see why you didn't mention that part.

[DCBob]

49. That's nice but Bernie wont be our nominee.

Last night pretty much settled that.

[Kall]

51. That wasn't the point you were trying to make

but nice shift. Carry on.

[DCBob]

59. How do you know what point I was trying to make?

I think you got it wrong.

[bigtree]

10. Tuesday vote totals

Mark Harris ?@MarkHarrisNYC 11h11 hours ago Manhattan, NY

Tonight's actual vote totals:

Clinton: 3.381M
Trump: 2.839M
Cruz: 2.358M
Sanders: 2.158M
Rubio: 1.818M

[Vinca]

14. Using your numbers (sans Carson and Kasich) -

Democratic votes - 5.539M; Republican votes - 7.015M. Do you think Rubio and Cruz voters are going to vote for Hillary?

[RealAmericanDem]

26. Don't you think that Trump on the general ballot might get a few more dems to the polls?

[Vinca]

62. Maybe, but don't forget there are some Dems already supporting Trump and

I wouldn't be surprised if some non-Hillary Dems would vote for Trump over Clinton. (Disclaimer: NOT ME!!)

[bigtree]

48. now you're moving the goalposts

...this shows that Hillary attracted more votes than Bernie.

All the faith you've placed in Bernie over Hillary beating Trump is refuted by this result.

[kristopher]

50. Well, I for one am glad that Independents no longer get to vote!

They always have given me a creepy feeling.

[Hortensis]

21. Vinca, those polls are PRE- attacks on Bernie.

Once the right wing gave him their special treatment, people would be leaving the room to avoid the smell. You know, like they once did to Hillary.

The big difference is that Hillary's estimate INCLUDES her scars from the worst the right could fling at her for 30 years. Everyone knows her. There'll be no real surprises, even if the right trumps up another 5 -Gates or so. SOP for the right, and everyone knows it.

THEY DON'T KNOW BERNIE. That is a tremendous liability for him and a tremendous opportunity the right can be depended on to make the most of.

[Vinca]

63. I understand the polls, but they illustrate that the vote among Democrats is way down whether

they're voting for Hillary or Bernie. Hillary may well have a better chance than Bernie purely based on who people know, but unless we see a better turnout than we've gotten in the primaries so far, we might be toast no matter who our nominee is. Obama was a once-in-a-lifetime candidate who generated something that will be very hard for any candidate to replicate ever.

[Hortensis]

65. Well, don't forget GOP voting is up because

the GOP is in trouble. This turnout has nothing to do with us and everything to do with internal breakdown.

One scenario, if Trump continues well and they try to take it away from him at the convention, includes his followers, a third of all, declaring out-and-out war on the GOP. Others are intensely risky third-party candidacies, the GOP's (!) or Trump's that would almost guarantee them a loss anyway.

Then, of course, there's the scenario where Trump's the nominee and Hillary calmly slices and dices him on national TV like readying a pumpkin for pie.

[Vinca]

66. It's hard to know what will happen.

Since Republicans have a reputation for being liars, all the multitudes now claiming they won't support Trump will probably end up voting for Trump. Somehow they realize they have to cover their asses just in case the Frankenstein monster becomes POTUS and destroys the country.

[Hortensis]

67. I'd listen to what you had to say even if

I didn't agree with it from the beginning. Apparently huge GOP turnouts are expected in the fall, and I also would expect most to fall in line because that's what they do, and after 30 years I'm done expecting better; but I'm also inclined to believe we will have record turnouts on the left also. Unless they somehow snooker the country into thinking it dodged a bullet and can relax with that nice-faced "moderate Rubio. Who'd ever have thought we might be rooting for The Donald to be a serious contender for president?

[Vattel]

5. The lies to Latinos told by Hillary and her supporters seem to be working out for you.

Congrats. This lie is a sweet one:

“Bernie Sanders on Immigrants: Silly, Tribal, and Economically Illiterate” Newsweek, July 30, 2015

That was text in a television ad put out by "Correct the Record" three days before the Nevada caucus.

[DCBob]

8. I dont know anything about that.

You will need to provide more context and links to actual articles or it means nothing.

[Vattel]

13. here is the TV ad:

This is despicably dishonest, don't you agree?

[DCBob]

15. Thanks. I will check it out.

[DCBob]

20. That was done by "Correct the Record".

So Bernie never said those things?? Do you have proof of that?

[Vattel]

24. I know who it was done by, thank you.

Yes, he never said those things. And I do have proof. Here is the link to the Newsweek piece:

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-immigrants-silly-tribal-and-economically-illiterate-358369

The idiot that write the piece described Sander's views as silly, tribal, and economically illiterate.

[DCBob]

29. That's clearly a hit piece on Bernie.

It should not have been used against him.

[Vattel]

30. Thanks for being willing to say that.

This is the sort of stuff Bernie is up against in trying to get his message out to Latinos. It's not easy.

[DCBob]

33. I dont want to win that way.

I hope someone in the Hillary campaign told them to pull that. Its garbage.

[Vattel]

38. I hope so too

[kristopher]

52. That's what "Correct the Record" does.

That's what your candidate hired David Brock to do on her behalf. It's all he is good for.

That's Your Candidate's deliberate handiwork.

[Hortensis]

54. Removed.

[BlueStater]

7. Nice avatar.

[SDJay]

11. The CA Primary is 3 Months Away

that's an eternity in this campaign and the general trend lines seem pretty clear.

I'd also be curious about what Governor Brown does. He has an influential voice here because he's quite popular. He has no love for the Clintons for several reasons, so it's possible he could rally for Bernie if things are lining up the right way.

I know that if this is still a race by then, I will go see both of them.

[DCBob]

12. True.. which is another reason why pinning their hopes on CA is ridiculous.

Its likely to be over long before then anyway. In fact I think its over now.

[SDJay]

19. Sorry...

Meant to reply to your previous post instead of your OP. Newbie mistake.

[SDJay]

16. I Don't Think

they're 'pinning their hopes' on CA, but that's just my opinion. I also don't think it's over now by a long shot nor do I think it'll be over by then. It could be, but CA/WA/OR could also make the difference between the final nail in a HRC nomination or the final push that leads to an extremely interesting convention.

IMHO it's way too early to make that call. What I do believe is that, for once, the primary in CA will actually matter.

[DCBob]

22. I ave been reading some of their scenarios for a possible Bernie win..

and they all include a big win in CA to offset Hillary's big delegate lead gained from big wins in the southern states.

I guess that's the only way to mathematically come up with Bernie actually winning but it seems like a huge stretch.

[SDJay]

37. Could Be

but momentum is a strange thing. Most of the things I read before yesterday were along the lines of 'this should bury SBS once and for all and allow HRC to start moving her message towards the GE' or some such. We were starting to hear calls for SBS to drop out/give up/move aside. That didn't happen. She had a good day, but not a decisive day. If SBS starts to chip away at this and progressively earn more positive results, he could have a full head of steam behind him by the time June 7 rolls around. Particularly if one of the HRC scandals - fake or otherwise - becomes more intense or a new scandal - fake or otherwise - arises.

I know that's just one scenario of many that are possible, but because it's not unreasonable I don't think it should be dismissed either. I just think about where things were three months ago - in the beginning of December people were still laughing at the SBS campaign. Then they ignored the campaign for a while, but they realized that they couldn't do that anymore so they started to fight the SBS campaign. That's where we are now. We'll see if Ghandi's words prove prophetic about what happens after they fight you.

[Agnosticsherbet]

57. It also ignores the possibility that Clinton will continue to make big wins in Delegate rich states.

and that California's Hispanic/Latino voters will vote differently than they have elsewhere.

[LexVegas]

18. The treatment of Dolores Huerta destroyed any chance he may have had there. nt

[DCBob]

25. Yep. That was an ugly incident.

[Kall]

28. Stop standing by stories that video shows didn't happen.

Geez, it's like the Bosnian sniper fire story all over again, except without the admission that the story was wrong.

[Avalux]

31. What treatment? Huerta lied for Hillary; after a payout. n/t

[LexVegas]

32. There it is. nt

[Avalux]

34. I'm tired of being beaten over the head with phony propriety.

The evidence is there. You may believe whatever you wish.

[Vattel]

46. Huerta did lie. But there is no evidence that she did it because of a payout.

She was a Clinton supporter before her organization received Clinton Foundation money. So let's stick to what we know: that Clinton, Huerta, and many others have lied about and distorted Bernie's record on immigration to capture Latino votes.

[randome]

27. And after that, it's on to Atlantis! Never give up!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[basselope]

35. Clinton winning CA? LMAO!

She has no support here.

[DCBob]

39. CA Field poll (1/6/16) -- HRC 46% BS: 35%

http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2522.pdf

[basselope]

41. 2 month old Poll???

Gotta love the desperate Clintonites.

[DCBob]

42. Its all we have..

What are you basing your claim.. gut feelings??

[Tiggeroshii]

36. Cali is in June

That leaves plenty of time or these mounting scandals to truly materialize. A few indictments could hand the state Sanders.

[DCBob]

40. Bernie and the GOP both counting on fake scandals to take her out.

[artislife]

45. What fake scandals is Bernie running?

I think you mean voters are asking if Bill was out of line or illegally trying to manipulate voting in a state he is not a resident of.

I think you mean voters asking for transcripts to groups that we deem a members of Hate Groups because on their full on assault on the average American.

[wryter2000]

55. I don't know if it's Bernie so much as his supporters

And I suspect many who so gleefully post about criminal indictments are disruptors.

[Tiggeroshii]

61. Not gleeful, just reality. If such a thing happens, it would be better now than to lose the White

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House to a repug in the general because of it.

[artislife]

43. I get to caucus on the 26th

And it will be for Bernie.

I want him to go all the way. There is nothing for me to gain by switching to Hillary yet. There is nothing for any of his supporters to do so, imo.

[Gothmog]

44. This is the latest Calif. poll that I could find

Sanders is not polling well in California according to the latest polls that I have seen http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2522.pdf By the time California rolls around, the process will be over. Again with proportionate voting, it will be hard to catch Clinton after Super Tuesday. Losing California by 11 points is not a great way to become the nominee.

[DCBob]

47. Exactly..

I have no idea why they are thinking Bernie can win big in CA. There is no evidence of that. I guess just wishful thinking.

[Agnosticsherbet]

53. If the Demographic trend holds true, I don't think California favors a huge win by Sanders.

I suspect it will be divided much like MA.
That assumes that the race will not have been decided by that point, and that is a big assumption.

[DCBob]

56. Yep. I think so too.

[Orsino]

58. Incorrect.

I'm pinning my hopes on every remaining state.

[bettyellen]

68. I seriously love how you always stay positive! Thank you!

[99th_Monkey]

60. Time.

Bernie has 3 months to continue educating & introducing himself to voters
in California. Look what he's already done in 6 months.

Time is on Bernie's side, especially since everyone already knows Hillary --
all too well in many cases, where they've seen through her facade of faux
'progressivism'.

This race is still very much in play. Don't kid yourself .. unless of course
you want to be blind-sided on June 7th.