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bigtree

(85,919 posts)
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:17 PM Mar 2016

Prayers for Hillary

Jesse Lehrich ?@JesseLehrich 18h18 hours ago
From Saturday in Birmingham, AL -- @HillaryClinton prays with local ministers before her rally




Hillary 4 POTUS @HlLLARY
Powerful photo. She is the one who can move our nation forward while fighting off the GOP. #ImWithHer





(I know the top photo is from former Pres. Clinton photog, Barbara Kinney. I suspect the bottom one is as well.)
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Prayers for Hillary (Original Post) bigtree Mar 2016 OP
Wow. Beautiful! auntpurl Mar 2016 #1
I'm with her, too! DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #2
K&R. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #3
Beautiful. Thanks. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #4
Go Hillary!!!! asuhornets Mar 2016 #5
K & R Iliyah Mar 2016 #6
Looks like a ted cruz rally. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #7
Not really. MineralMan Mar 2016 #8
It looks like the polar opposite of a Ted Cruz rally. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #21
That's what I was thinking. Deadshot Mar 2016 #107
Though I'm a person of no religion, MineralMan Mar 2016 #9
Pandering to the religious. Svafa Mar 2016 #11
Perhaps. People who have religious affiliations MineralMan Mar 2016 #12
I also am an atheist and usually turn a blind Svafa Mar 2016 #14
I hope you vote as you think best. MineralMan Mar 2016 #15
You're damn right! Svafa Mar 2016 #40
I'm in. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #10
Good luck and Prayers for Bernie carburyme Mar 2016 #20
Good luck Jewish guy... whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #13
?? grossproffit Mar 2016 #16
Sounds like something Trump would say Impedimentus Mar 2016 #18
Right on! JaneyVee Mar 2016 #23
Nope, just saying there are well established religious/cultural roadblocks for Bernie whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #43
I don't think that Bernie being born Jewish is a big roadblock, FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #66
They're both issues for him depending on the demo whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #73
the biggest fallacy in your post passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #93
Thread Winner!!! eom 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #74
Lol whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #94
Dogma Trumps Reason - No Wonder This Country is In Rapid Decline Impedimentus Mar 2016 #17
Religious pandering? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #22
... imprisoning them... whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #45
Sorry but you guys arent going to fake meme your way into the WH. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #49
Ha whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #54
+1 Deadshot Mar 2016 #108
Beautiful photos. grossproffit Mar 2016 #19
Are they praying that the F.B.I. doesn't John Poet Mar 2016 #24
crass bigtree Mar 2016 #27
Maybe they should pray that she doesn't sign a new crime bill John Poet Mar 2016 #37
Fake meme your way into the WH JaneyVee Mar 2016 #51
good article here bigtree Mar 2016 #56
Stay classy shenmue Mar 2016 #68
That's what I was wondering MissDeeds Mar 2016 #70
I'm sure 'god' loves warmongers Matariki Mar 2016 #25
pathetic bigtree Mar 2016 #29
Do you know what's pathetic? Matariki Mar 2016 #64
+ the whole enchilada n/t whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #100
booyah desmiller Mar 2016 #126
Hillary is dead inside. No conscience. She is thereismore Mar 2016 #127
Hillary's a part of the Dominionest C Street cult "The Family" Arazi Mar 2016 #26
sad tinfoil politics bigtree Mar 2016 #31
Do you have a link where she's left the group? Arazi Mar 2016 #41
That's because you don't love the truth, bigtree. Neither does the liar you support. n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #62
sad tinfoil politics AlbertCat Mar 2016 #119
"Oh God". John Poet Mar 2016 #39
Efrain Rios Montt can mumble a few rezas for her MisterP Mar 2016 #69
. Arazi Mar 2016 #84
They should direct their prayers to the FBI investigation. seaotter Mar 2016 #28
Well said.... andrewv1 Mar 2016 #96
Desperate times call for desperate measures n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #30
Hillary won SC handily with the help of the black vote bigtree Mar 2016 #33
Then the prayer was just a photo op, as they always are n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #34
. bigtree Mar 2016 #47
I appreciate he's respectful during their ceremonies Arazi Mar 2016 #58
Shameless pandering and an appalling double standard at play tularetom Mar 2016 #32
The Clintons are masters at pandering, that's for sure. n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #35
+1 n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #63
I was about to post exactly your 1st point... Complete with the staged overhead camera angle! JudyM Mar 2016 #36
the parishioners are pandering? bigtree Mar 2016 #42
I don't believe Bernie had this photo retouched and put out in black and white finish to use as a... Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #59
Ya know, thats OK when BS attends a prayer event Iliyah Mar 2016 #60
Oh gimme a break. As if she'd be doing anything like this if she weren't in an election. JudyM Mar 2016 #38
. bigtree Mar 2016 #44
Your point? That Bernie is not authentically spiritual? JudyM Mar 2016 #46
it's fine for you to question Hillary's faith bigtree Mar 2016 #48
I did *not* question her faith. Take another look. JudyM Mar 2016 #50
you absolutely did question her faith bigtree Mar 2016 #52
Oh I actually believe HRC IS religious. Bernie admits he's a secular Jew Arazi Mar 2016 #57
Every Sunday. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #53
really? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #55
Awesome pics. I like the connectedness. K & R nt Persondem Mar 2016 #61
yeah i'm praying too - that she doesn't get indicted in October 0rganism Mar 2016 #65
Yikes! We will need prayers once she gets elected. jalan48 Mar 2016 #67
Perhaps you were looking for Independent Underground shenmue Mar 2016 #75
Nice effect, posting them in black and white to look all 60s'ish Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #71
Be nice! No one happened to have one 'nem newfangled color picture machines. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #115
I have done that, (taken photos in Black and White) nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #120
Those are incredible pictures ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #72
Ugh! AlbertCat Mar 2016 #76
I find both photos frightening. pangaia Mar 2016 #77
black people praying in church is 'frightening?' bigtree Mar 2016 #85
It has NOTHING to do with black people! pangaia Mar 2016 #112
this is rich.You think you can tell a black man to ignore the color of those folk's skin bigtree Mar 2016 #124
I am not telling you anything. pangaia Mar 2016 #125
If these pics were of Cruz and dozens of white ministers we'd be screaming THEOCRACY Arazi Mar 2016 #116
Thank you for your support. pangaia Mar 2016 #135
WOW ... I had written seven different responses to comments in this thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #78
this is a reflection of what I've experienced in the past decade bigtree Mar 2016 #90
Yeah ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #101
Speaking solely for myself, hifiguy Mar 2016 #79
fucking creepy LOL, hope everybody washed their hands LOL snooper2 Mar 2016 #80
creepy? bigtree Mar 2016 #83
extremely religious people touching each other mumbling to sky daddies is yes, creepy snooper2 Mar 2016 #89
your comments are despicable bigtree Mar 2016 #92
that's cool, we all have opinions, watch this video....To me it is fucking scary snooper2 Mar 2016 #98
What does that have to do with the pictures? ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #105
Barf. blackspade Mar 2016 #81
All those poor people with Stockholm Syndrome... Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #82
Good black and white photography nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #86
Prayers of..."So how can we get in on some of that Goldman Sachs money"? jalan48 Mar 2016 #87
what? bigtree Mar 2016 #99
Read more Voltaire. jalan48 Mar 2016 #102
I am partial to this quote. ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #106
Thank you. jalan48 Mar 2016 #110
K and R oasis Mar 2016 #88
She believes in the power of make-believe.... Awesome n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #91
. bigtree Mar 2016 #97
Politicians and religion. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #103
That doesn't make it better. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #121
It will take more than that to regain her sold out soul. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #95
I mailed my ballot for Hillary in yesterday salinsky Mar 2016 #104
It's terribly irritating when politicians do this crap. Deadshot Mar 2016 #109
a lot of ignorant replies to this thread. Sanders has prayed with Falwell Jr JI7 Mar 2016 #111
If this were Sanders there would have been hundreds of rec's by now. grossproffit Mar 2016 #113
Here are some photos of Libyans who didn't get prayers Depaysement Mar 2016 #114
Jury Results. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #118
It amazes me that people think the post was over the top Gore1FL Mar 2016 #122
Agreed. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #123
Great Post BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #130
Thank you Depaysement Mar 2016 #131
no thanks, I'm allergic to pandering TheSarcastinator Mar 2016 #117
What an amazing image!!!! Skid Rogue Mar 2016 #128
Love the black & white photo BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #129
some education for you bigtree Mar 2016 #132
Beautiful! lunamagica Mar 2016 #133
K & R Scurrilous Mar 2016 #134
Prayers for the country if she's ever elected. n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #136
Making a donation to the Church of Satan. They at least are more ethical. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #137

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
8. Not really.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:26 PM
Mar 2016

You will not see black ministers at any Cruz rally, really.

Uff da!

ETA: I edited this in response to changes in the referenced reply.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
9. Though I'm a person of no religion,
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:27 PM
Mar 2016

most Americans are people of faith. Hillary's getting the hands-on treatment from some of their leaders. That's a good thing.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
12. Perhaps. People who have religious affiliations
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:42 PM
Mar 2016

make up a considerable majority of the US population, so it's hardly surprising. As a lifelong atheist, it's something that is part of daily life for me. However, I'm part of a very tiny minority in this country. I'm OK will letting people worship whatever they can manage to believe. Unless it breaks my leg or picks my pocket, it's irrelevant, to steal a quote from Jefferson.

Religion is a reality, even if the deities worshiped don't exist. I live in a real world.

Svafa

(594 posts)
14. I also am an atheist and usually turn a blind
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:44 PM
Mar 2016

eye to religious pandering, since almost all politicians do it. However, this time around, I am happy to have the option to vote for a fellow secular humanist who does not attempt to portray himself as deeply faithful in an attempt to garner more votes.

carburyme

(146 posts)
20. Good luck and Prayers for Bernie
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:55 PM
Mar 2016

I'm for Hillary but I wish both our candidates well...May they get lots of votes to have a good split today!!! Yayy!

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
66. I don't think that Bernie being born Jewish is a big roadblock,
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

I think his Atheism, however, is....at this time, in this country.

That's why few on either side yet know that he practices no religion; he doesn't believe in a traditional God...
It's has been artfully presented as some vague other thing to date, which wouldn't hold up
in a general election...

So his Atheism is definitely quite the handicap, which by itself would cause
long lines of Republicans voting to save their country from the Godless (insert here other Sanders issues)!

Talk about energizing the Republican vote, that alone would do it much more than anything Hillary is or has ever done,
which is why I crack up when I see folks touting the polls where Sanders is beating Republican candidate. He hasn't been vetted,
and the media, the GOP, the Media and Hillary all know it.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
73. They're both issues for him depending on the demo
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:38 PM
Mar 2016

Which just goes to say this country is still a backward shithole.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
93. the biggest fallacy in your post
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:12 PM
Mar 2016

Is that Bernie is not an atheist. He is spiritual but does not believe in a major religion (not even the religion of Jews).

This is becoming a much bigger trend in America, so it's important that we see this reflected in our government, and to this day we really haven't. Almost everyone running for POTUS has pandered to religion.

As an atheist, I'd be happy with an atheist POTUS...but an agnostic or even a non-religious but spiritual person is OK with me too.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
17. Dogma Trumps Reason - No Wonder This Country is In Rapid Decline
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:48 PM
Mar 2016

Religious pandering nauseates me, be it by Republicans or Democrats.
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
22. Religious pandering?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:06 PM
Mar 2016

The Clinton's have such broad black support due to their decades of celebrating with, grieving with, and testifying at black churches.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
37. Maybe they should pray that she doesn't sign a new crime bill
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:18 PM
Mar 2016

which puts a disproportionate number of their parishioners in prison...

Or that she doesn't get us into another Iraq war in Syria or Libya...

Yes, I can see a lot of reasons they should be praying.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
64. Do you know what's pathetic?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:09 PM
Mar 2016
The REAL human consequences of voting for the Iraq war



Iraq Death Toll Reaches 500,000 Since Start Of U.S.-Led Invasion, New Study Says

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/26/is_hillary_clinton_a_neoconservative_hawk_what_iraq_and_libya_decisions_tell_us_about_her_foreign_policy/

Or the consequences of fracking.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

http://www.alternet.org/environment/8-dangerous-side-effects-fracking-industry-doesnt-want-you-hear-about

40,000: gallons of chemicals used for each fracturing site
8 million: number of gallons of water used per fracking
600: number of chemicals used in the fracking fluid, including known carcinogens and toxins such as lead, benzene, uranium, radium, methanol, mercury, hydrochloric acid, ethylene glycol and formaldehyde
10,000: number of feet into the ground that the fracking fluid is injected through a drilled pipeline
1.1 million: number of active gas wells in the United States
72 trillion: gallons of water needed to run current gas wells
360 billion: gallons of chemicals needed to run current gas wells
300,000: number of barrel of natural gas produced a day from fracking

But this is all a sportsball game to you, I suppose - "Go Team Red Arrow". You're right, you shouldn't read my posts.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
26. Hillary's a part of the Dominionest C Street cult "The Family"
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

Snip


Clinton fell in with the Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group
composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When
she ascended to the senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's
"most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his
downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been
a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, the Family's
publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a
genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or
faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Furthermore, the Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward
legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious
freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth
control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.

What drew Clinton into the sinister heart of the international right? Maybe
it was just a phase in her tormented search for identity, marked by
ever-changing hairstyles and names: Hillary Rodham, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Hillary
Rodham Clinton, and now Hillary Clinton. She reached out to many potential
spiritual mentors during her White House days, including new age guru Marianne
Williamson and the liberal Rabbi Michael Lerner. But it was the Family
association that stuck.

Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the underappreciated
depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define the Family's
theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worship
Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe
that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders
who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as the Family has a consistent
philosophy, it's all about power -- cultivating it, building it, and networking
it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we
can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
31. sad tinfoil politics
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

...how's that decades-old nonsense working for you?

I'm not really waiting for a response.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
41. Do you have a link where she's left the group?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:20 PM
Mar 2016

or disavowed them? Even a hint of disapproval at anytime?

I'll wait

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
119. sad tinfoil politics
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 05:39 PM
Mar 2016

There no undocumented weird conspiracy baloney in the fact that Hillary praised The Family's theologist....and their theology.


But of course, who believes that the Bible is her favorite book, in non-election years at least?

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
84. .
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016


Brutal civil war. The blood on American hands for our actions in Central America continues with her support for the Honduran coup in 2009.

She's some Christian for realz.

andrewv1

(168 posts)
96. Well said....
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:13 PM
Mar 2016

I think there will be a few people in a daze around here if, or when there's a recommendation of an indictment that forces you out of the race.

And it is unimportant if she cleans up today in all the primaries if there’s at least some chance she won’t be able to stay in the race until the Democratic Convention.

It might not happen, but I am sure the odds are going up...

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
33. Hillary won SC handily with the help of the black vote
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

...hardly desperate, in the case of support in the South.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
47. .
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:26 PM
Mar 2016


Sanders is seen here participating in a prayer breakfast with local faith leaders at Allen University in Columbia, South Carolina

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
32. Shameless pandering and an appalling double standard at play
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

If these were pictures of Ted Cruz surrounded by a group of white pastors, the screams of "theocracy" would be deafening.

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
36. I was about to post exactly your 1st point... Complete with the staged overhead camera angle!
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

I like your second point, too.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
42. the parishioners are pandering?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

...this isn't Cruz, it's our Democratic candidate with a critical voting constituency for our party.

Outrageous to equate them with right-wing republicans, but that kind of ignorance is becoming a standard with the anti-Hillary crowd.



Bernie Sanders attends the Faith Leaders Prayer Breakfast in Columbia, South Carolina, Feb. 16, 2016.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
59. I don't believe Bernie had this photo retouched and put out in black and white finish to use as a...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:37 PM
Mar 2016

...marketing tool. See the difference?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
60. Ya know, thats OK when BS attends a prayer event
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016
But a BIG no no for HRC. Hypocrisy at its finest.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
44. .
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:23 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders attends the Faith Leaders Prayer Breakfast in Columbia, South Carolina, Feb. 16, 2016.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
48. it's fine for you to question Hillary's faith
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:28 PM
Mar 2016

...now you're all defensive about my posting a picture of Sanders doing the EXACT SAME THING.

Take your fake outrage somewhere else. It's not working.

JudyM

(29,122 posts)
50. I did *not* question her faith. Take another look.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

It is so staged... Complete with a perfect camera angle.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
52. you absolutely did question her faith
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:31 PM
Mar 2016

...hypocritical, considering Sanders did the EXACT SAME THING.

Done with your nonsense.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
57. Oh I actually believe HRC IS religious. Bernie admits he's a secular Jew
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:34 PM
Mar 2016

i,believe both are speaking honestly there

Your pics of Bernie being respectful during religious ceremonies is bsckfiring - it makes me appreciate him more

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
55. really?
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:32 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton’s prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or “the Family”), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military

0rganism

(23,856 posts)
65. yeah i'm praying too - that she doesn't get indicted in October
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

even if she's not the nominee, an indictment could still taint Sanders' campaign.
if she's the nominee, we might as well fold up shop and go home, cos that's the end of it.

i've seen a number of HRC supporters mention the McGovern candidacy in reference to Sen. Sanders possible trouncing in the general, well, if HRC gets hit with an indictment it's going to make the problems McGovern had with Eagleton's seizure look like a cakewalk.

so yeah, praying for no indictments and no terrorist attacks over here, and i'm an atheist.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
71. Nice effect, posting them in black and white to look all 60s'ish
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

Makes one almost believe she was all Equal Righty

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
120. I have done that, (taken photos in Black and White)
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 05:40 PM
Mar 2016

to remind people of the parallels. So you are not wrong there, to a point.

Nothing is a coincidence.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
85. black people praying in church is 'frightening?'
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

...I'm more disturbed by this type of response.


When did it become acceptable for proclaimed progressives to openly disparage a black congregation for their expressions of faith?

If this kind of derision persists, I'll need to reconsider my participation here.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
112. It has NOTHING to do with black people!
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

See, YOU are the one who picked out the color of someone's skin. NOT me.

Nice try.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
124. this is rich.You think you can tell a black man to ignore the color of those folk's skin
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

...as you term an image of a room full of black folk praying 'frightening.'

You have a lot of fucking nerve telling me I should disregard their skin color.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
125. I am not telling you anything.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:31 AM
Mar 2016

I am saying that my comment had NOTHING to do with whether the people are black, white or whatever.
I would say the exact same thing no matter what color any or all of the people were.
You are free to believe me or not.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
116. If these pics were of Cruz and dozens of white ministers we'd be screaming THEOCRACY
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016

and it would be scary.

For some, pics of politicians praying with masses of anyone of any color is distasteful and yes, scary. We're supposed to have a separation of church and state. Pics like these blur those lines.

Personally, I'm not scared but I understand those who are.

Personally, I believe Hillary is a true believer and when she prays it's true to who she is. I simply find the (in these days) mandatory open display by politicians very distasteful. I wish there wasn't any of it. I don't even like the invocations and prayers at the inauguration

Your injection of racism into this is really shitty imo

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
78. WOW ... I had written seven different responses to comments in this thread ...
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:48 PM
Mar 2016

but will settle for just WOW.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
90. this is a reflection of what I've experienced in the past decade
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:07 PM
Mar 2016

...a resurgence of open expressions of derision and disdain for black people.

What makes these examples significant is the connection to support for a Democratic politician, and the opposition to another. It's nearly exhausting responding to post after post of this. As I said to a poster above, this is making me reconsider my participation here(again). I can't reasonably associate myself with a site which tolerates this type of bigotry, and encourages it with silent acquiescence.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
89. extremely religious people touching each other mumbling to sky daddies is yes, creepy
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

I had the unfortunate experience of being "Saved" old school style when I was like 12 or 13...


Old stinky women putting hands all over me...

Talk about giving a kid nightmares!

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
92. your comments are despicable
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:11 PM
Mar 2016

...you know absolutely nothing about these folks.

Nothing forced you to come onto this thread and express this. It's completely unnecessary and amazingly insulting to these people.

I'm left to wonder what your actual intentions are??

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
86. Good black and white photography
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

I have done this myself, echoes from the 1960s, but I wish all our politicians stopped this kind of religious pandering, There is this establishment clause you might heard about. And that is ALL politicians should stop wearing religion on their sleeve.

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
106. I am partial to this quote.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:32 PM
Mar 2016

I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'Oh Lord, make my enemies Ridiculous'. And God granted it.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
97. .
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:13 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders attends the Faith Leaders Prayer Breakfast in Columbia, South Carolina, Feb. 16, 2016.

BlueMTexpat

(15,349 posts)
103. Politicians and religion.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:27 PM
Mar 2016

Like Nadin, I wish that NO US politician would mix religion and politics because ... establishment clause. I know of no other developed country where one's religious preference plays such an important role in political viability.

But faith is very real to many Americans, no matter what faith it is. That is a reality. In that case, it certainly never hurts to be respectful. If praying together makes people feel more connected, then so be it.

To me, anything that reminds humanity of its commonalities is a good thing.

So I have absolutely no patience with supporters of either candidate who accuse the other of pandering, posturing or anything else when they participate in or attend religious services of any kind. That promotes divisiveness and divisiveness is NOT a good thing.

That said, the B&W pictures of Hillary praying are beautiful, as are those in color of Bernie doing the same.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
104. I mailed my ballot for Hillary in yesterday
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:27 PM
Mar 2016

Her speech after the SC primary convinced me she's our best bet.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
111. a lot of ignorant replies to this thread. Sanders has prayed with Falwell Jr
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 04:37 PM
Mar 2016

And he has prayed with many black Christians.

If one goes to a certain religious group they will be respectful and take part in some of the things that do even if it is not part of their faith.

There are many with ClinTons and Obama doing it with Buddhist hindu and other faiths also.

If Sanders became president he would do the same thing. Just as he has done it as candidate.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
118. Jury Results.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 05:19 PM
Mar 2016

On Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Here are some photos of Libyans who didn't get prayers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1383842

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Showing pictures of dead children in a thread about Hillary Clinton doing nothing but praying with black ministers is so beyond the pale and ridiculous it is hard to put it into words. This is not discourse, this is nothing more than unhinged thread jacking.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:05 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Those that support war shouldn't be afraid to look at its results. The Democratic Party used to be against war. Now it stays silent while Democratic politicians like Hillary take us into more war and more debt by the way.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Truth hurts. Look long, see what has been done with her blessing. Those are children.

"We came. We saw. He died." - Hillary Clinton on Gaddafi. (And so did a bunch of children.) Want to see the sociopath laughing about it? Here:

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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sick of this nonsense. Bernie supporters have gone to very desperate tactics. Knock it off!!!!!
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Way, way over the top. Hide.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Eh. I don't see it. This is part of her record as Secretary of State. She bragged about what they did in Libya, and since this isn't the Hillary Clinton group, you either should confront them in the forum or put them on ignore.
GD : P is not a protected group like the Clinton and Sanders groups are.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I agree with the alerter that the bombast is way over the top, there are no rules to my knowledge against this type of thing in this forum, particularly during this rancorous primary. The past actions of candidates and the things they have resulted in cannot be hidden simply because they're over the top, regardless of who the candidate is (unless it aids a Republican, of course).

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Gore1FL

(21,034 posts)
122. It amazes me that people think the post was over the top
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 06:53 PM
Mar 2016

but seem to be totally cool with the destruction the post depicted.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
123. Agreed.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:22 PM
Mar 2016

The president was, well, presidential about it. Solemn. Somber. Seemed to understand the gravity and the human cost of what he authorized.

Hillary on the other hand, yucking it up... Ghoulish.

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
128. What an amazing image!!!!
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:12 AM
Mar 2016

There was lots of talk around B'ham about that meeting on the day it took place. I knew a couple of people who said their Pastors were attending the event.

I'm not a religious person. In many ways religion hasn't been kind to me. So, I understand peoples' aversion to seeing such a powerful display of faith. However, this isn't the scary Cruz crowd, quite the opposite. The AA community in Birmingham has withstood so much hate and oppression from the hands of the Cruz crowd, that it feels desperately wrong to equate the two. If I know those men and women, they're probably praying to give her strength, asking God to help her weather the slings and arrows that will inevitability be thrown at her, and slings and arrows are something they are experts at weathering. Pandering or not, I'd accept those prayers any day.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
129. Love the black & white photo
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:16 AM
Mar 2016

Nice attempt to make it look like Hillary was in the Civil Rights movement instead of being a Goldwater Girl.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
132. some education for you
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

...
An undated photograph of Hillary Rodham, center, during her days as a student at Wellesley College, from 1965 to 1969.


In Turmoil of ’68, Hillary Clinton Found a New Voice

In September 1968, Hillary Diane Rodham, role model and student government president, was addressing Wellesley College freshmen girls — back when they were still called “girls” — about methods of protest. It was a hot topic in that overheated year of what she termed “confrontation politics from Chicago to Czechoslovakia.”

“Dynamism is a function of change,” Ms. Rodham said in her speech. “On some campuses, change is effected through nonviolent or even violent means. Although we too have had our demonstrations, change here is usually a product of discussion in the decision-making process.”

As the nation boiled over Vietnam, civil rights and the slayings of two charismatic leaders, Ms. Rodham was completing a sweeping intellectual, political and stylistic shift. She came to Wellesley as an 18-year-old Republican, a copy of Barry Goldwater’s right-wing treatise, “The Conscience of a Conservative,” on the shelf of her freshman dorm room. She would leave as an antiwar Democrat whose public rebuke of a Republican senator in a graduation speech won her notice in Life magazine as a voice for her generation.

read: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/us/politics/05clinton.html?_r=0




Carl Bernstein: Hillary's Politics From 1968 to 2008

Her handwritten remarks — on file in the Wellesley archives — abound with abbreviations, crossed-out sentences and scrawled reinsertions, as if composed in a hurry. Yet Ms. Rodham’s words are neatly contained between tight margins. She took care to stay within the lines, even when they were moving so far and fast in 1968. While student leaders at some campuses went to the barricades, Ms. Rodham was attending teach-ins, leading panel discussions and joining steering committees. She preferred her “confrontation politics” cooler.

“She was not an antiwar radical trying to create a mass movement,” said Ellen DuBois, who, with Ms. Rodham, was an organizer of a student strike that April. “She was very much committed to working within the political system. From a student activist perspective, there was a significant difference.”

Interviewed about “A Woman in Charge”, his biography of Hillary Clinton, Carl Bernstein explains, “She chose Yale (in 1969) because, unlike Harvard, where she had also been accepted, it was an activist school that very much believed in the use of the law as an instrument for social change—in the mold of Thurgood Marshall…. This was the year of the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU."

Bernstein: She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students—there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration’s conduct of the war, and didn’t mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

Wiener: Then she went to Yale Law School in 1969. Would you say her connection to radical politics deepened at Yale?

Bernstein: She chose Yale because, unlike Harvard, where she had also been accepted, it was an activist school that very much believed in the use of the law as an instrument for social change—in the mold of Thurgood Marshall. When she arrived, her reputation preceded her. It was perhaps greater than her real accomplishments. She was becoming a generational spokesperson, anointed by others. That’s when she met Bill; at that point she was much more famous that he was. This was the year of the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

Wiener: And then there was her summer job in California.

Bernstein: That summer she went to work at the most important radical law firm in America at that point: Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland. They defended the Panthers. Two of their partners were members of the Communist Party—including Bob Truehaft, who was married to Jessica Mitford. I talked to Bob Truehaft not long before he died, and he said he was certain that Hillary came there because she subscribed to some of the kind of law they practiced and the kind of clients they defended.

read: http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/20070720_carl_bernstein_hillarys_politics_from_1968_to_2008?/interview/print/20070720_carl_bernstein_hillarys_politics_from_1968_to_2008



Hillary Rodham speaking at rally at Wellesley College


Hillary Clinton Has Deep History With Latinos

In 1972, when a young Hillary and Bill Clinton were working the ill-fated George McGovern campaign, she worked closely with well-respected union leader, Franklin Garcia, who took her under his wing as she helped register Latino voters in south Texas and along the Rio Grande Valley.

“Hispanics in South Texas were,” she wrote in her 2003 memoir Living History, “understandably, wary of a blond girl from Chicago who didn’t speak a word of Spanish.” But Garcia “took me places I could never have gone alone and vouched for me to Mexican Americans who worried I might be from the immigration service or some other government agency.” Garcia drove her and Bill across the border to Matamoros, a dive that had only a “decent mariachi band,” she wrote, but where she indulged in barbecued cabrito, or goat.


Garry Mauro, one of her first contacts in Texas, told the San Antonio Express in 2008 that back then she had a “cultural affinity with Hispanics,” asking questions and listening to their concerns, a dynamic that would be on display again, more than three decades later in Nevada, as she tried to woo an influential Latino activist.

“The way my dad explained it, she was somebody you could talk to,” Escobedo Jr. said. “She spoke from the heart and asked about what the Hispanic community was going through and what had to be done. My dad was taken aback by Hillary, by how she was able to communicate and listen and how she wanted to help Hispanics.”


read: http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/hillary-clinton-has-deep-history-with-latinos-and-theres-not#.akqGnvY4Y




Hillary Clinton tested in Texas, where it all began in '72

AUSTIN, Texas (CNN) -- Garry Mauro will never forget that night in 1972 when he says Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham (then unmarried) ignored the post-election party surrounding them, instead preferring to huddle in a corner and talk about changing the future...

Mauro and the Clintons cut their political teeth in Texas during the 1972 election, knocking on doors and registering people -- many of them minorities -- to vote.

Texas election workers often looked with suspicion at the so-called "out-of-staters." "Most of them had a funny accent and really didn't know how to talk to people," Mauro said. "That was not the case with Hillary Clinton. She always established a rapport with the local officials she was working with -- even the ones that started out being aggressively negative. And she would always seem to move the ball forward."


In general, said Mauro, a national election campaign is grueling. "Most people only have a few good elections in them," said Mauro. "It's really hard work. It's grunt work." For that reason, he said, "That's a pretty remarkable person to keep that enthusiasm and drive and continue to have that grit 30 years later."

read: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/texas.clinton.memories/#cnnSTCText


Ms. Rodham in 1969, the year she graduated.
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