2016 Postmortem
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Jesse Lehrich ?@JesseLehrich 18h18 hours agoFrom Saturday in Birmingham, AL -- @HillaryClinton prays with local ministers before her rally
Hillary 4 POTUS @HlLLARY
Powerful photo. She is the one who can move our nation forward while fighting off the GOP. #ImWithHer
(I know the top photo is from former Pres. Clinton photog, Barbara Kinney. I suspect the bottom one is as well.)
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)The bottom photo is amazing. Thank you for posting!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,705 posts)LexVegas
(6,005 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)You will not see black ministers at any Cruz rally, really.
Uff da!
ETA: I edited this in response to changes in the referenced reply.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Deadshot
(384 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)most Americans are people of faith. Hillary's getting the hands-on treatment from some of their leaders. That's a good thing.
Svafa
(594 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)make up a considerable majority of the US population, so it's hardly surprising. As a lifelong atheist, it's something that is part of daily life for me. However, I'm part of a very tiny minority in this country. I'm OK will letting people worship whatever they can manage to believe. Unless it breaks my leg or picks my pocket, it's irrelevant, to steal a quote from Jefferson.
Religion is a reality, even if the deities worshiped don't exist. I live in a real world.
Svafa
(594 posts)eye to religious pandering, since almost all politicians do it. However, this time around, I am happy to have the option to vote for a fellow secular humanist who does not attempt to portray himself as deeply faithful in an attempt to garner more votes.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)I hope everyone does.
Svafa
(594 posts)Waiting impatiently for the next two weeks.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Good thoughts for my man Sanders as well.
carburyme
(146 posts)I'm for Hillary but I wish both our candidates well...May they get lots of votes to have a good split today!!! Yayy!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Is Donald your choice?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Unfortunately.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)I think his Atheism, however, is....at this time, in this country.
That's why few on either side yet know that he practices no religion; he doesn't believe in a traditional God...
It's has been artfully presented as some vague other thing to date, which wouldn't hold up
in a general election...
So his Atheism is definitely quite the handicap, which by itself would cause
long lines of Republicans voting to save their country from the Godless (insert here other Sanders issues)!
Talk about energizing the Republican vote, that alone would do it much more than anything Hillary is or has ever done,
which is why I crack up when I see folks touting the polls where Sanders is beating Republican candidate. He hasn't been vetted,
and the media, the GOP, the Media and Hillary all know it.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Which just goes to say this country is still a backward shithole.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Is that Bernie is not an atheist. He is spiritual but does not believe in a major religion (not even the religion of Jews).
This is becoming a much bigger trend in America, so it's important that we see this reflected in our government, and to this day we really haven't. Almost everyone running for POTUS has pandered to religion.
As an atheist, I'd be happy with an atheist POTUS...but an agnostic or even a non-religious but spiritual person is OK with me too.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Religious pandering nauseates me, be it by Republicans or Democrats.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)The Clinton's have such broad black support due to their decades of celebrating with, grieving with, and testifying at black churches.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)He's Saint compared to the Clintons.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)recommend an indictment?
If they aren't, they should be.
...
John Poet
(2,510 posts)which puts a disproportionate number of their parishioners in prison...
Or that she doesn't get us into another Iraq war in Syria or Libya...
Yes, I can see a lot of reasons they should be praying.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)bigtree
(85,919 posts)That's the problem with his holier-than-thou attitude.
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-voting-history
shenmue
(38,503 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)And fracking.
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...I don't know why I can still read your posts.
I'll try this again...
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Iraq Death Toll Reaches 500,000 Since Start Of U.S.-Led Invasion, New Study Says
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/26/is_hillary_clinton_a_neoconservative_hawk_what_iraq_and_libya_decisions_tell_us_about_her_foreign_policy/
Or the consequences of fracking.
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron
http://www.alternet.org/environment/8-dangerous-side-effects-fracking-industry-doesnt-want-you-hear-about
40,000: gallons of chemicals used for each fracturing site
8 million: number of gallons of water used per fracking
600: number of chemicals used in the fracking fluid, including known carcinogens and toxins such as lead, benzene, uranium, radium, methanol, mercury, hydrochloric acid, ethylene glycol and formaldehyde
10,000: number of feet into the ground that the fracking fluid is injected through a drilled pipeline
1.1 million: number of active gas wells in the United States
72 trillion: gallons of water needed to run current gas wells
360 billion: gallons of chemicals needed to run current gas wells
300,000: number of barrel of natural gas produced a day from fracking
But this is all a sportsball game to you, I suppose - "Go Team Red Arrow". You're right, you shouldn't read my posts.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)a super-predatoer.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Clinton fell in with the Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group
composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When
she ascended to the senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's
"most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his
downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been
a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, the Family's
publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a
genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or
faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."
Furthermore, the Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward
legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious
freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth
control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.
What drew Clinton into the sinister heart of the international right? Maybe
it was just a phase in her tormented search for identity, marked by
ever-changing hairstyles and names: Hillary Rodham, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Hillary
Rodham Clinton, and now Hillary Clinton. She reached out to many potential
spiritual mentors during her White House days, including new age guru Marianne
Williamson and the liberal Rabbi Michael Lerner. But it was the Family
association that stuck.
Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the underappreciated
depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define the Family's
theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worship
Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe
that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders
who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as the Family has a consistent
philosophy, it's all about power -- cultivating it, building it, and networking
it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we
can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...how's that decades-old nonsense working for you?
I'm not really waiting for a response.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)or disavowed them? Even a hint of disapproval at anytime?
I'll wait
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)There no undocumented weird conspiracy baloney in the fact that Hillary praised The Family's theologist....and their theology.
But of course, who believes that the Bible is her favorite book, in non-election years at least?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Brutal civil war. The blood on American hands for our actions in Central America continues with her support for the Honduran coup in 2009.
She's some Christian for realz.
seaotter
(576 posts)andrewv1
(168 posts)I think there will be a few people in a daze around here if, or when there's a recommendation of an indictment that forces you out of the race.
And it is unimportant if she cleans up today in all the primaries if theres at least some chance she wont be able to stay in the race until the Democratic Convention.
It might not happen, but I am sure the odds are going up...
arcane1
(38,613 posts)bigtree
(85,919 posts)...hardly desperate, in the case of support in the South.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Sanders is seen here participating in a prayer breakfast with local faith leaders at Allen University in Columbia, South Carolina
Arazi
(6,829 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)If these were pictures of Ted Cruz surrounded by a group of white pastors, the screams of "theocracy" would be deafening.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)JudyM
(29,122 posts)I like your second point, too.
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...this isn't Cruz, it's our Democratic candidate with a critical voting constituency for our party.
Outrageous to equate them with right-wing republicans, but that kind of ignorance is becoming a standard with the anti-Hillary crowd.
Bernie Sanders attends the Faith Leaders Prayer Breakfast in Columbia, South Carolina, Feb. 16, 2016.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)...marketing tool. See the difference?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)JudyM
(29,122 posts)Bernie Sanders attends the Faith Leaders Prayer Breakfast in Columbia, South Carolina, Feb. 16, 2016.
JudyM
(29,122 posts)bigtree
(85,919 posts)...now you're all defensive about my posting a picture of Sanders doing the EXACT SAME THING.
Take your fake outrage somewhere else. It's not working.
JudyM
(29,122 posts)It is so staged... Complete with a perfect camera angle.
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...hypocritical, considering Sanders did the EXACT SAME THING.
Done with your nonsense.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)i,believe both are speaking honestly there
Your pics of Bernie being respectful during religious ceremonies is bsckfiring - it makes me appreciate him more
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)Clintons prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or the Family), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military
Persondem
(1,936 posts)0rganism
(23,856 posts)even if she's not the nominee, an indictment could still taint Sanders' campaign.
if she's the nominee, we might as well fold up shop and go home, cos that's the end of it.
i've seen a number of HRC supporters mention the McGovern candidacy in reference to Sen. Sanders possible trouncing in the general, well, if HRC gets hit with an indictment it's going to make the problems McGovern had with Eagleton's seizure look like a cakewalk.
so yeah, praying for no indictments and no terrorist attacks over here, and i'm an atheist.
jalan48
(13,798 posts)shenmue
(38,503 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Makes one almost believe she was all Equal Righty
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)to remind people of the parallels. So you are not wrong there, to a point.
Nothing is a coincidence.
ismnotwasm
(41,921 posts)Absolutely stunning
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)We're not gonna turn to the supernatural to solve problems, are we?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)bigtree
(85,919 posts)...I'm more disturbed by this type of response.
When did it become acceptable for proclaimed progressives to openly disparage a black congregation for their expressions of faith?
If this kind of derision persists, I'll need to reconsider my participation here.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)See, YOU are the one who picked out the color of someone's skin. NOT me.
Nice try.
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...as you term an image of a room full of black folk praying 'frightening.'
You have a lot of fucking nerve telling me I should disregard their skin color.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I am saying that my comment had NOTHING to do with whether the people are black, white or whatever.
I would say the exact same thing no matter what color any or all of the people were.
You are free to believe me or not.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)and it would be scary.
For some, pics of politicians praying with masses of anyone of any color is distasteful and yes, scary. We're supposed to have a separation of church and state. Pics like these blur those lines.
Personally, I'm not scared but I understand those who are.
Personally, I believe Hillary is a true believer and when she prays it's true to who she is. I simply find the (in these days) mandatory open display by politicians very distasteful. I wish there wasn't any of it. I don't even like the invocations and prayers at the inauguration
Your injection of racism into this is really shitty imo
pangaia
(24,324 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but will settle for just WOW.
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...a resurgence of open expressions of derision and disdain for black people.
What makes these examples significant is the connection to support for a Democratic politician, and the opposition to another. It's nearly exhausting responding to post after post of this. As I said to a poster above, this is making me reconsider my participation here(again). I can't reasonably associate myself with a site which tolerates this type of bigotry, and encourages it with silent acquiescence.
ismnotwasm
(41,921 posts)I'm very sad right now.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I can't be bothered with Invisible Skywizards of any and all sorts.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)...black people praying in Church?
Smh.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I had the unfortunate experience of being "Saved" old school style when I was like 12 or 13...
Old stinky women putting hands all over me...
Talk about giving a kid nightmares!
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...you know absolutely nothing about these folks.
Nothing forced you to come onto this thread and express this. It's completely unnecessary and amazingly insulting to these people.
I'm left to wonder what your actual intentions are??
snooper2
(30,151 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,921 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)This kind of religious pandering is gross and disturbing.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I have done this myself, echoes from the 1960s, but I wish all our politicians stopped this kind of religious pandering, There is this establishment clause you might heard about. And that is ALL politicians should stop wearing religion on their sleeve.
jalan48
(13,798 posts)...wtf?
jalan48
(13,798 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,921 posts)I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'Oh Lord, make my enemies Ridiculous'. And God granted it.
jalan48
(13,798 posts)oasis
(49,152 posts)Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)Bernie Sanders attends the Faith Leaders Prayer Breakfast in Columbia, South Carolina, Feb. 16, 2016.
BlueMTexpat
(15,349 posts)Like Nadin, I wish that NO US politician would mix religion and politics because ... establishment clause. I know of no other developed country where one's religious preference plays such an important role in political viability.
But faith is very real to many Americans, no matter what faith it is. That is a reality. In that case, it certainly never hurts to be respectful. If praying together makes people feel more connected, then so be it.
To me, anything that reminds humanity of its commonalities is a good thing.
So I have absolutely no patience with supporters of either candidate who accuse the other of pandering, posturing or anything else when they participate in or attend religious services of any kind. That promotes divisiveness and divisiveness is NOT a good thing.
That said, the B&W pictures of Hillary praying are beautiful, as are those in color of Bernie doing the same.
Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)Her speech after the SC primary convinced me she's our best bet.
Deadshot
(384 posts)I'd say the same thing if Bernie did it.
JI7
(89,182 posts)And he has prayed with many black Christians.
If one goes to a certain religious group they will be respectful and take part in some of the things that do even if it is not part of their faith.
There are many with ClinTons and Obama doing it with Buddhist hindu and other faiths also.
If Sanders became president he would do the same thing. Just as he has done it as candidate.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)On Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Here are some photos of Libyans who didn't get prayers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1383842
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Showing pictures of dead children in a thread about Hillary Clinton doing nothing but praying with black ministers is so beyond the pale and ridiculous it is hard to put it into words. This is not discourse, this is nothing more than unhinged thread jacking.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 1, 2016, 03:05 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Those that support war shouldn't be afraid to look at its results. The Democratic Party used to be against war. Now it stays silent while Democratic politicians like Hillary take us into more war and more debt by the way.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Truth hurts. Look long, see what has been done with her blessing. Those are children.
"We came. We saw. He died." - Hillary Clinton on Gaddafi. (And so did a bunch of children.) Want to see the sociopath laughing about it? Here:
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sick of this nonsense. Bernie supporters have gone to very desperate tactics. Knock it off!!!!!
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Way, way over the top. Hide.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Eh. I don't see it. This is part of her record as Secretary of State. She bragged about what they did in Libya, and since this isn't the Hillary Clinton group, you either should confront them in the forum or put them on ignore.
GD : P is not a protected group like the Clinton and Sanders groups are.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I agree with the alerter that the bombast is way over the top, there are no rules to my knowledge against this type of thing in this forum, particularly during this rancorous primary. The past actions of candidates and the things they have resulted in cannot be hidden simply because they're over the top, regardless of who the candidate is (unless it aids a Republican, of course).
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)but seem to be totally cool with the destruction the post depicted.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The president was, well, presidential about it. Solemn. Somber. Seemed to understand the gravity and the human cost of what he authorized.
Hillary on the other hand, yucking it up... Ghoulish.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)A thunderstorm of reality on the little cheerleading parade.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Of course, there was the obligatory alert. Fail.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)the hives itch like crazy.
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)There was lots of talk around B'ham about that meeting on the day it took place. I knew a couple of people who said their Pastors were attending the event.
I'm not a religious person. In many ways religion hasn't been kind to me. So, I understand peoples' aversion to seeing such a powerful display of faith. However, this isn't the scary Cruz crowd, quite the opposite. The AA community in Birmingham has withstood so much hate and oppression from the hands of the Cruz crowd, that it feels desperately wrong to equate the two. If I know those men and women, they're probably praying to give her strength, asking God to help her weather the slings and arrows that will inevitability be thrown at her, and slings and arrows are something they are experts at weathering. Pandering or not, I'd accept those prayers any day.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Nice attempt to make it look like Hillary was in the Civil Rights movement instead of being a Goldwater Girl.
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...
An undated photograph of Hillary Rodham, center, during her days as a student at Wellesley College, from 1965 to 1969.
In Turmoil of 68, Hillary Clinton Found a New Voice
In September 1968, Hillary Diane Rodham, role model and student government president, was addressing Wellesley College freshmen girls back when they were still called girls about methods of protest. It was a hot topic in that overheated year of what she termed confrontation politics from Chicago to Czechoslovakia.
Dynamism is a function of change, Ms. Rodham said in her speech. On some campuses, change is effected through nonviolent or even violent means. Although we too have had our demonstrations, change here is usually a product of discussion in the decision-making process.
As the nation boiled over Vietnam, civil rights and the slayings of two charismatic leaders, Ms. Rodham was completing a sweeping intellectual, political and stylistic shift. She came to Wellesley as an 18-year-old Republican, a copy of Barry Goldwaters right-wing treatise, The Conscience of a Conservative, on the shelf of her freshman dorm room. She would leave as an antiwar Democrat whose public rebuke of a Republican senator in a graduation speech won her notice in Life magazine as a voice for her generation.
read: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/us/politics/05clinton.html?_r=0
Carl Bernstein: Hillary's Politics From 1968 to 2008
Her handwritten remarks on file in the Wellesley archives abound with abbreviations, crossed-out sentences and scrawled reinsertions, as if composed in a hurry. Yet Ms. Rodhams words are neatly contained between tight margins. She took care to stay within the lines, even when they were moving so far and fast in 1968. While student leaders at some campuses went to the barricades, Ms. Rodham was attending teach-ins, leading panel discussions and joining steering committees. She preferred her confrontation politics cooler.
She was not an antiwar radical trying to create a mass movement, said Ellen DuBois, who, with Ms. Rodham, was an organizer of a student strike that April. She was very much committed to working within the political system. From a student activist perspective, there was a significant difference.
Interviewed about A Woman in Charge, his biography of Hillary Clinton, Carl Bernstein explains, She chose Yale (in 1969) because, unlike Harvard, where she had also been accepted, it was an activist school that very much believed in the use of the law as an instrument for social changein the mold of Thurgood Marshall
. This was the year of the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU."
Bernstein: She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow studentsthere had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administrations conduct of the war, and didnt mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.
Wiener: Then she went to Yale Law School in 1969. Would you say her connection to radical politics deepened at Yale?
Bernstein: She chose Yale because, unlike Harvard, where she had also been accepted, it was an activist school that very much believed in the use of the law as an instrument for social changein the mold of Thurgood Marshall. When she arrived, her reputation preceded her. It was perhaps greater than her real accomplishments. She was becoming a generational spokesperson, anointed by others. Thats when she met Bill; at that point she was much more famous that he was. This was the year of the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.
Wiener: And then there was her summer job in California.
Bernstein: That summer she went to work at the most important radical law firm in America at that point: Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland. They defended the Panthers. Two of their partners were members of the Communist Partyincluding Bob Truehaft, who was married to Jessica Mitford. I talked to Bob Truehaft not long before he died, and he said he was certain that Hillary came there because she subscribed to some of the kind of law they practiced and the kind of clients they defended.
read: http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/20070720_carl_bernstein_hillarys_politics_from_1968_to_2008?/interview/print/20070720_carl_bernstein_hillarys_politics_from_1968_to_2008
Hillary Rodham speaking at rally at Wellesley College
Hillary Clinton Has Deep History With Latinos
In 1972, when a young Hillary and Bill Clinton were working the ill-fated George McGovern campaign, she worked closely with well-respected union leader, Franklin Garcia, who took her under his wing as she helped register Latino voters in south Texas and along the Rio Grande Valley.
Hispanics in South Texas were, she wrote in her 2003 memoir Living History, understandably, wary of a blond girl from Chicago who didnt speak a word of Spanish. But Garcia took me places I could never have gone alone and vouched for me to Mexican Americans who worried I might be from the immigration service or some other government agency. Garcia drove her and Bill across the border to Matamoros, a dive that had only a decent mariachi band, she wrote, but where she indulged in barbecued cabrito, or goat.
Garry Mauro, one of her first contacts in Texas, told the San Antonio Express in 2008 that back then she had a cultural affinity with Hispanics, asking questions and listening to their concerns, a dynamic that would be on display again, more than three decades later in Nevada, as she tried to woo an influential Latino activist.
The way my dad explained it, she was somebody you could talk to, Escobedo Jr. said. She spoke from the heart and asked about what the Hispanic community was going through and what had to be done. My dad was taken aback by Hillary, by how she was able to communicate and listen and how she wanted to help Hispanics.
read: http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/hillary-clinton-has-deep-history-with-latinos-and-theres-not#.akqGnvY4Y
Hillary Clinton tested in Texas, where it all began in '72
AUSTIN, Texas (CNN) -- Garry Mauro will never forget that night in 1972 when he says Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham (then unmarried) ignored the post-election party surrounding them, instead preferring to huddle in a corner and talk about changing the future...
Mauro and the Clintons cut their political teeth in Texas during the 1972 election, knocking on doors and registering people -- many of them minorities -- to vote.
Texas election workers often looked with suspicion at the so-called "out-of-staters." "Most of them had a funny accent and really didn't know how to talk to people," Mauro said. "That was not the case with Hillary Clinton. She always established a rapport with the local officials she was working with -- even the ones that started out being aggressively negative. And she would always seem to move the ball forward."
In general, said Mauro, a national election campaign is grueling. "Most people only have a few good elections in them," said Mauro. "It's really hard work. It's grunt work." For that reason, he said, "That's a pretty remarkable person to keep that enthusiasm and drive and continue to have that grit 30 years later."
read: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/texas.clinton.memories/#cnnSTCText
Ms. Rodham in 1969, the year she graduated.