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Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:31 AM

 

Latest CNN Poll Shows Bernie doing much better than Clinton aganst any Republican candidate



Washington (CNN)—Both of the remaining Democratic candidates for president easily top Republican front-runner Donald Trump in hypothetical general election match-ups, according to a new CNN/ORC Poll.

But Hillary Clinton, who is well ahead in the Democratic race for the presidency, would likely face a stronger challenge should Florida Sen. Marco Rubio or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz capture the Republican nomination for president.

In the scenario that appears most likely to emerge from the primary contests, Clinton tops Trump 52% to 44% among registered voters. That result has tilted in Clinton's favor since the last CNN/ORC Poll on the match-up in January.

Sanders -- who enjoys the most positive favorable rating of any presidential candidate in the field, according to the poll -- tops all three Republicans by wide margins: 57% to 40% against Cruz, 55% to 43% against Trump, and 53% to 45% against Rubio. Sanders fares better than Clinton in each match-up among men, younger voters and independents.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/02/29/rel4b.-.2016.general.pdf

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:34 AM

1. Match up polling is worthless unless both candidates have been vetted

Polls do lie when such poling is based on bad data and premise. Nate Silver and other are clear that these polls are worthless in part because Sanders had not been vetted. Clinton has been vetted for two decades but the GOP and the press have not paid any attention to Sanders and so these polls are meaningless. Dana Milbank has some good comments on general election match up polls https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: Opponents have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.


The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”

Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.”

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .

Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.

Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.

Sanders also made clear he would be happy to identify Democrats as the party of big government and of wealth redistribution. When Cuomo said Sanders seemed to be saying he would grow government “bigger than ever,” Sanders didn’t quarrel, saying, “P eople want to criticize me, okay,” and “F ine, if that’s the criticism, I accept it.”

Sanders accepts it, but are Democrats ready to accept ownership of socialism, massive tax increases and a dramatic expansion of government? If so, they will lose.

Match up polls are worthless because the candidates have not been fully vetted. Sanders is very vulnerable to negative ads

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:48 AM

11. Yep "Mean Ole Hillary" is Using Kid Gloves on Sanders

despite the claims on DU there have ZERO underhanded attacks on Sanders not based on the issues

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Response to Stallion (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:06 PM

12. Do you really think that Clinton has gone negative on Sanders???

You better hope that Sanders is not the nominee because you would be shocked at what real negative ads look like

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:08 PM

13. No They Call that an Election-Distinguishing the Positions of Your Opponent

the Top 20 dirty tricks this year have all been on the Republican side. "Mean ole Hillary" is the perception of Sanders fans on DU but nothing close to real political hard-ball which might include for example a hammer/sickle and pictures of Stalin and Lenin

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:35 AM

2. Hypothetical match up polls are worthless and should not be relied for anything

Here is a good thread talking about these polls http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511038010

The reliance on these polls by Sanders supporters amuse me. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/harrys-guide-to-2016-election-polls/

Ignore hypothetical matchups in primary season – they also measure nothing. General election polls before and during the primary season have a very wide margin of error. That’s especially the case for candidates who aren’t even in the race and therefore haven’t been treated to the onslaught of skeptical media coverage usually associated with being the candidate.

Sanders supporters have to rely on these worthless polls because it is clear that Sanders is not viable in a general election where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate may spend an additional billion dollars.

No one should rely on hypo match up type polls in selecting a nominee at this stage of the race.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:41 AM

4. So election polls are meaningless. Thanks for the info. You need to tell Clinton/Sanders

 

Thanks again for sharing your wisdom with us novices.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:36 AM

3. This is meaningless. Anyone with any knowledge of politics knows that. nt

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Response to BreakfastClub (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:44 AM

5. Tanks

 


Your political wisdom has been duly noted.

You be smart!

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:46 AM

6. Bernie is new to most people and totally untouched by the right

wing media. They will have him vacationing with Putin and Kim Jung Un.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:23 PM

14. They said Obama was a radical communist/Muslim from Kenya and even worse than that Obama was Black!

 


So how did that race and red-baiting work out for the Republicans in 2008 and 2012?

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 07:29 PM

16. You are right and somehow he made it n/t

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:50 AM

7. He'll have to win the nomination first. That's looking less and less likely every day.

One step at a time. First things first. You can't bake a cake without cracking a few eggs. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. A stitch in time saves nine.

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:54 AM

8. This is a story always under reported n/t

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:54 AM

9. Huge K & R!!

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:45 AM

10. K&R

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Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:50 PM

15. K & R

 

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