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Who here wants to vote for someone instead of picking the lesser of 2 evils. (Original Post) awake Feb 2016 OP
I will vote for someone I trust in the primary monicaangela Feb 2016 #1
Thank you. 840high Feb 2016 #2
You would go to the voting booth and not vote... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #4
I would probably do a write in. monicaangela Feb 2016 #25
How is helping Republicans win "progressive"? JaneyVee Feb 2016 #27
How is helping a warmonger monicaangela Feb 2016 #29
Because the alternative is Trump. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #32
What makes you so sure Clinton can beat Trump? monicaangela Feb 2016 #35
Recent polling. Plus her ability to mop the floor with him at debates. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #39
Polling has been wrong on too many occassions... monicaangela Feb 2016 #42
LOL. Trump thanks you for the kind words. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #43
Laughing even louder!!! monicaangela Feb 2016 #44
Nothing you posted was fact, it was all your very own opinion... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #45
We are talking about MY VOTE aren't we. monicaangela Feb 2016 #46
You shared an opinion which differed tymorial Feb 2016 #61
Excellent observation monicaangela Feb 2016 #63
Ask the Democratic Party pdsimdars Feb 2016 #68
"For" only TheCowsCameHome Feb 2016 #3
Me too. pdsimdars Feb 2016 #69
I'd like that. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #5
I won't do that again EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #6
I'm voting for someone I trust will make a great President. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #7
i don't think any of the dem candidates are evil JI7 Feb 2016 #8
Anybody who takes foreign policy advice from HK is evil. JEB Feb 2016 #9
Only one of many reasons Hillary is evil BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #64
I am done with picking the lesser of two evils. Illegal Pete Feb 2016 #10
Who are you supporting now? And if your candidate does not get the nomination? uppityperson Feb 2016 #14
Bernie in the primary Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #38
In which case, unless you live in a solid blue area, it's a vote for the repub uppityperson Feb 2016 #65
I live in a blue New England state Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #66
so do I Kali Feb 2016 #16
Voting for Clinton, unfortunately, is a vote for the Republicans. Illegal Pete Feb 2016 #18
Spot on Illegal Pete! monicaangela Feb 2016 #31
“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican... PonyUp Feb 2016 #33
so wrong treestar Feb 2016 #57
How old are you? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #11
64 awake Feb 2016 #12
Previous poster obviously mistook you for a Millennial Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #41
the lessor of two evils still beats the hell out of the worse of two evils Kali Feb 2016 #13
As an African American monicaangela Feb 2016 #28
I have been very happy, the few times I could vote FOR someone rather than against someone else uppityperson Feb 2016 #15
You don't have to vote for Trump OR Cruz! tgards79 Feb 2016 #17
Me! BainsBane Feb 2016 #19
I am happy for you awake Feb 2016 #22
I used to think 2016 was just like 2008, but if Clinton snags the nomination it will be 2000 and Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #20
I'm still backing the New Dealer. n/t DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #21
I will vote for Bernie in the primary. But if he doesn't get the nomination onenote Feb 2016 #23
The Better of 2 Evils is one more point of view. greyl Feb 2016 #24
I refuse to vote for evil - even the lesser one. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #26
Nobody has ever been able to explain the problem to me. whatthehey Feb 2016 #30
What if Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #48
It's great to be able to vote FOR a candidate. Adrahil Feb 2016 #34
I'm starting to sound like a broken record but... randome Feb 2016 #36
I only see evil candidates on the Republican side auntpurl Feb 2016 #37
Bernie and Hillary are each a THOUSAND TIMES BETTER DinahMoeHum Feb 2016 #40
Amen! nt auntpurl Feb 2016 #47
I remember that slogan from 2000 WhiteTara Feb 2016 #49
I want to vote, just once in my life, for a candidate who has never bad mouthed people like me. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #50
I'm over picking the lesser of 2 evils. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #51
That's why I will vote for Hillary. n/t Lil Missy Feb 2016 #52
I've never picked the lesser of two evils. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #53
I always do it treestar Feb 2016 #54
Neither Bernie nor HRC are 'evil' emulatorloo Feb 2016 #55
I disagree BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #62
Bernie disagrees w you re HRC, but vote how you wish. emulatorloo Mar 2016 #71
I am tired of hearing that voter suppression meme. nt Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #56
When the choice is between Republican and Republican-Lite... KansDem Feb 2016 #58
I vote for George W Hayduke, cheapdate Feb 2016 #59
Bernie All The Way cantbeserious Feb 2016 #60
write in pdsimdars Feb 2016 #67
I am voting for someone. Hillary Clinton. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #70

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
1. I will vote for someone I trust in the primary
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders...I will not vote for the lesser of two evils. If he doesn't win I will concentrate my efforts down ticket in hopes that in 4 years I will have an opportunity to vote for someone who supports his ideology.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
29. How is helping a warmonger
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:27 AM
Feb 2016

that is bought and sold according to Wall Street and the Weapons merchants progressive? How is voting for someone who was for the Keystone XL pipeline before she was against it progressive? How is voting for someone who was for TPP before they were against it progressive? How is...well, I'm sure you get the message. I'd rather vote green party, or something I could live with before voting for someone who changes positions more often than they change their underwear.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
35. What makes you so sure Clinton can beat Trump?
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

Republicans have been limiting voter rights for a long time now. If you will notice, turnout has been low on the democratic side, not all of that is because people are required to jump through hoops in order to vote and decide not to vote, much of it is because they don't feel they have anyone to vote for, especially if that person is this person you seem to think has so much experience and is the lesser of the two evils when it comes to her or Trump. I say, if it's Trump so be it. I won't be voting for him, and I don't believe many people with a conscience will be either. I think instead of us fighting over which democratic candidate we are going to or not going to vote for, we need to address the problem of having so many people in this nation that will vote for someone like Donald Trump. That is where our real problem lies.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
42. Polling has been wrong on too many occassions...
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:49 AM
Feb 2016

and her ability to debate better than Trump is something that is yet to be seen. You have to remember, republicans do not debate in the same manner in which democrats do. They like mud slinging, not sticking to the issues. And, from what we are seeing in the primaries, the public appears to be more interested in mudslinging than actual policy issues. Yes, she has an ability to debate, but she's also vulnerable because she lies a lot. Trump will drown her in her own flip flopping record that she has developed over the years. I'm sure that if she has to run against Trump it is going to be very, very ugly and in the end she will lose.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
44. Laughing even louder!!!
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:56 AM
Feb 2016

Kind or not, truth is much better than fiction in my book. I say, let's wait to see what happens if the eventuality is Clinton vs. Trump.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
61. You shared an opinion which differed
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:12 AM
Feb 2016

This will ruffle feathers but so be it. There are those who have adopted identity politics to the point that they demand echo chambers not open debate. The result is differing opinions are viewed as hostile and offensive. Unless you express an opinion that matches those of the collective, you are viewed as a traitor and a sellout. It is becoming far too commonplace on both sides of the political spectrum.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
63. Excellent observation
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:19 AM
Feb 2016

and analysis tymorial. I believe some here don't even realize they have fallen into that cookie cutter template, that doesn't allow them to think outside the box, that's sad, very sad.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
68. Ask the Democratic Party
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:01 PM
Feb 2016

They are to blame if their candidate is the worst for the GE.

They should be promoting the candidate who generates the most enthusiasm to get the turnout to be max, instead of trying to undercut his every move.
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
69. Me too.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

I have come to the same conclusion. It will never end if we keep voting for the fools they put in front of us.

LuvLoogie

(6,913 posts)
7. I'm voting for someone I trust will make a great President.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:30 PM
Feb 2016

I support Hillary Clinton. I do not think she is evil.

 

Illegal Pete

(12 posts)
10. I am done with picking the lesser of two evils.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

They havent done me squat for 36 years. I want a change candidate.

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
38. Bernie in the primary
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:43 AM
Feb 2016

If HRC is the nominee, I'll either either write in Bernie's name or vote Green. I've voted straight-ticket Dem. since I was 18 (1980), but I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton.

Also: I looked at your profile/rec history and want you to know that I'm an over-50, pro-choice woman, who has had an abortion in the past. That being said, I still will never vote for Hillary Clinton.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
65. In which case, unless you live in a solid blue area, it's a vote for the repub
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:46 PM
Feb 2016

It truly sucks, to not be able to vote for something but against others.

One fear of mine is people will then not vote at all and there are so many other races, initiatives, local things that need voting on also. Yes, Pres is important, but local issues and Congress address also.

Kali

(55,003 posts)
16. so do I
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

but while maybe nobody "did squat" they may have at least staved off horrible problems for you. try thinking about it that way.

unfortunately in our current system it has to be a Democrat or a repuke, tossing votes away is like giving them to repukes.

 

Illegal Pete

(12 posts)
18. Voting for Clinton, unfortunately, is a vote for the Republicans.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

If it's Clinton, it's Republican-Lite vs Trump, a Republican.

Harry S Truman had it right: Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time

 

PonyUp

(1,680 posts)
33. “Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican...
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:35 AM
Feb 2016

“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time”

- Harry S Truman

treestar

(82,383 posts)
57. so wrong
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:03 AM
Feb 2016

it's voting for anti-abortion, anti-affirmative action, no regulation of business, no environmental protection candidates?

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
41. Previous poster obviously mistook you for a Millennial
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:49 AM
Feb 2016


(over-50 female here having a good laugh at that post and your response)

Kali

(55,003 posts)
13. the lessor of two evils still beats the hell out of the worse of two evils
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:25 PM
Feb 2016


not sure you want to find out what that would entail (see the fucked up mess of geedubya)

I want to be voting for Bernie in the GE, but I sure as hell don't want ANY repuke winning.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
28. As an African American
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:21 AM
Feb 2016

I can tell you what that would entail, it's the same thing my people have been suffering since being dragged to these shores. Problem will be, those who haven't had the same experience may begin to see what that feels like. Karma is a mother isn't it.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
15. I have been very happy, the few times I could vote FOR someone rather than against someone else
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

I hope it will happen again, but if it doesn't? I will pick the lesser rather than let the greater of 2 evils win. It sucks.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
19. Me!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

That is why I am voting for an exceptionally qualified, competent Democrat with thoughtful policy proposals, someone who is committed to working hard to improve the lives of ordinary Americans. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

awake

(3,226 posts)
22. I am happy for you
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:48 PM
Feb 2016

Although I do not share your view I am happy for you. At one point I thought that I could support her but seeing how her supporters have swiftboated Berrnie and his long support of POC at this point I am having a hard time with the thought that I may have to vote for her.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
20. I used to think 2016 was just like 2008, but if Clinton snags the nomination it will be 2000 and
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

2004 all over again.

Gore and Kerry were so much better liked by independents and so much better trusted than Clinton, but still they were kept from the presidency.

Independents respected Gore and Kerry, but they hate Clinton (and if you have spoken with millennial Democrats about Clinton, you know these feelings are not limited to independents).

I remember everyone saying "Gore/Kerry might be a bit moderate and unexciting but we'll unite in opposition to Bush who we all agree Bush is 100 times worse than even a moderate Democrat." Well, it just doesn't happen that way. We need enthusiasm to turn out in numbers that can win, and Clinton is the least exciting candidate to get this close to the nomination in my lifetime. This is the most important primary in a generation because it will be a forfeit in the general election if we let the establishment take the nomination away from the grass roots.

onenote

(42,585 posts)
23. I will vote for Bernie in the primary. But if he doesn't get the nomination
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:42 AM
Feb 2016

I will vote for Clinton in the general. Will i be voting for the lesser of two evils? THat's one way to look at it. Te way I'm looking at it is that I'm voting to prevent the election of a greater evil.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
24. The Better of 2 Evils is one more point of view.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:48 AM
Feb 2016

They all have deep flaws, but Hillary and Bernie are much higher grade overall, no question.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
30. Nobody has ever been able to explain the problem to me.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:31 AM
Feb 2016

Let's say HRC gets the nomination (odds are for it, but still an open question). Let's say that she's everything the most bitter primary opponent has said; in thrall to Wall St, dishonest, warmongering, free trader, plutocratic, the lot (fringe BS though it is as she's pretty much a safe bog-standard Democrat, it makes the hypothesis clearer).

The Rep nominee doesn't matter. He's worse than that. More aligned with the rich, more hawkish, more pro-business and anti labor, plus we get anti-choice and bigotry too. There are no Rep candidates who do not fit this. Even by bringing up the trite "lesser evil" trope, that's axiomatic in that even her ardent detractors popsit Hillary as the lesser evil.

But in today's politics only the lesser evil or the greater evil have any chance whatsoever to win. Writing in Sanders or voting Green is short-sighted hand-washing. The only choice we realistically have is lesser evil, or if she does not win, greater evil. Who sane would prefer greater evil running the country or refuse to help lesser evil (again with the silly assumption that she is "evil&quot reduce the overall evil quotient.

Basic utilitarian calculus. Reducing harm is the same as increasing benefit.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
48. What if
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:17 AM
Feb 2016

"lesser evil" is owned by the machine, but "greater evil" is not? Some people see it that way. And at that point many of them decide to abstain rather than voting for "greater evil" or the machine (which is greater evil too).

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
34. It's great to be able to vote FOR a candidate.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

The first candidate I did that with was Barack Obama.

But the the reality is that in a two party system. The choice is ultimately between two people, and statistically it'll b e pretty rare that one of them will match your positions well.

But I haven;t felt like I was ever voting for "evil" when voting for a Democrat for President. Someone I don;t always agree with? Sure. A flawed human being? Yup. But never evil.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
36. I'm starting to sound like a broken record but...
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:42 AM
Feb 2016

...unless Sanders is Jesus Christ, we are ALWAYS voting for the lesser of two evils.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
37. I only see evil candidates on the Republican side
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:42 AM
Feb 2016

Neither of our candidates are evil. I will enthusiastically vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination, and somewhat less enthusiastically (but still very contentedly) vote for Bernie if he gets it.

Either way, I am voting for my values.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
50. I want to vote, just once in my life, for a candidate who has never bad mouthed people like me.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie is the first, and I am grateful he is running.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
53. I've never picked the lesser of two evils.
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:01 AM
Feb 2016

I don't sell my vote, especially to some nefarious political party that does not represent me. If I don't see a candidate I can vote for on the ballot, I write one in.

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
55. Neither Bernie nor HRC are 'evil'
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:02 AM
Feb 2016

helps to take some time off from DU now and again.


They are both head and shoulders above Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kascich, and the rest of them.

I want to vote for Bernie in the GE, but I will vote for HRC if she's the nominee.

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
71. Bernie disagrees w you re HRC, but vote how you wish.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:14 AM
Mar 2016

That's your right!

As to me as a citizen, I'll never enable the Republican apocalypse.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
58. When the choice is between Republican and Republican-Lite...
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:07 AM
Feb 2016

...I'll go with the true progressive who represents the people.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
59. I vote for George W Hayduke,
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 11:07 AM
Feb 2016

the fictional protagonist from Edward Abbey's 1975 novel The Monkey Wrench Gang.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
67. write in
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 12:58 PM
Feb 2016

I decided that rather than not vote, if worse comes to worse, I'll just write in the candidate I want.
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