Not supporting Hillary in the GE is simply RIDICULOUS. There is no other way to describe it.

[RBInMaine]

If anyone is going to be so immature, such a sore loser, so awash in stinky sour grapes as to actually not support Hillary if and when she wins the Dem nomination fair and square, then that is simply RIDICULOUS and there is no other way to say it. It is RIDICULOUS. And it is SHAMEFUL. And it is UN-DEMOCRATIC.

We have primaries to choose a nominee, fair and square. Bernie Sanders is a good man with good overall goals and intentions, but he is losing because a majority of Democratic Party voters are supporting her and not him. Plain and simple. It looks like she is going to be the nominee. She is poised to win big on Super Tuesday, and then it will be very hard for Sanders to catch up. Nearly impossible. That's the rules, that's the system, and it is FAIR. It is called DEMOCRACY.

She is a GREAT candidate who is brilliant, experienced, very well qualified, and TOUGH.

The alternative is a racist carnival barker named FRANKENTRUMP. Is that who you want?

He will be our dream opponent to TEAR TO PIECES in the GE. And Hillary will do it.

People who lose need to lose with GRACE.

Bernie will support Hillary if she wins the nomination. He has said so time and again. I'm with Bernie on this, and so should his supporters be. And then his supporters should work to form a real revolution of getting millions of young progressives PERMANENTLY involved in the political process to push for legislation and VOTE IN NON-PRESIDENTIAL YEAR ELECTIONS.

[djean111]

1. This is like GETTING LOLCats. EverY Day.

But universes LESS entertaining, useful, or EFFECTIVE.

Oh, and GRACE is something that you should, perhaps, do a little research on. You seem to lack grace, and are more of a ranter. No one seriously listens.

[Bread and Circus]

15. ^^ wins the thread right here. I got a good chuckle.

[Depaysement]

2. Another winner for my ignore list

Funny, my list is pretty short.

[EdwardBernays]

3. demanding

That people support corrupt and dishonest politicians is not gonna fly...

She's a lousy candidate and she's disliked by millions and distrusted by the majority of Americans.

The fact that you have to try and hassle people on here into voting for a Democrat illustrates just how crap she is. The fact that there's petitions by liberals saying they'll never vote for her because she's dishonest and corrupt also illustrates this.

Bernie supporters don't always agree with everything he does... we're not a cult like Clintonites... many will disagree with his position on Hillary Clinton...

In fact many have already said this publicly.

[tazkcmo]

4. This is as bad as

Sanders supporters questioning AA's judgement for supporting HRC in the primary.

"She is a GREAT candidate who is brilliant, experienced, very well qualified, and TOUGH."

Not in my book. She's a lying, entitled, minimum 2 faced, corrupt, war mongering .10%er that cares two shits about anything but her own resume, power and wealth. She is now and she will be in the GE. In my view it's like choosing between a rock and a larger rock.

[Broward]

5. Not supporting Bernie in the primary is ridiculous.

He's as good if not better than Hillary on every issue except perhaps gun control.

[Red Knight]

22. Well said.

But we aren't allowed to look at things that way.

Hey--I'll vote for Hillary but I know Sanders supporters who won't--and I get it.

I totally get it.

And I respect it.

[fleur-de-lisa]

6. Sore winner.

You are doing nothing to encourage Bernie supporters to help Hillary by acting like a jerk. Perhaps you should change your tone if you want our votes.

[NurseJackie]

7. It's pouting. They'll get over it, or they won't. I'm not worried about them ...

... they may appear to be a large percentage *here* ... but out in the real world, people are more practical and realistic.

Here, it's a public declaration (and I suspect it's insincere) that's mean to snub and cause "fear" for Hillary's supporters. It's an immature response that's designed to make themselves feel as if they're "in-control" of a situation over which they have NO control.

Mature voters can handle disappointment and can cope with reality. I've had enough of it, and people like that are IMMEDIATELY added to my ignore list. I don't have time to coddle and indulge their vanities.

They can eat their vegetables or go hungry. They can behave like adults, or cry themselves to sleep. It's their choice. I don't care anymore.



PS: Good OP! You gave it a shot, and I commend you for it!

[EdwardBernays]

9. There's nothing mature

about voting for dishonesty and corruption...

[Spacedog1973]

40. Immaturity is

Treating politics like the players are from Star Wars and one represents the Empire (Hillary), the other, the Force (bernie).

This left, right, up, down, good, bad, way of looking at everything is a sign of immaturity.

[EdwardBernays]

41. No one

is saying Bernie is perfect... I can happily list the things I don't like about him...

But he's not wildly corrupt.

No one anywhere thinks that.

But a LOT of Democrats and liberals and progressives DO think that about Clinton.

It's all relative... up to a point, and when you compare the two.. well.. there really is NO comparison...

Pretending that the slight moral failing of one candidate justify pushing a completely corrupt and dishonest candidate is typical Clintonite behaviour.

And it's blinded Clintonites to reality... "why do so many people hate my candidate?" It must be the fault of anyone but her... yes?

no.

[HERVEPA]

33. Immature post #1447

[Kentonio]

8. There is a beautiful irony in telling people that if they don't vote for a particular candidate

That they're being 'un-democratic'. Thanks for the laugh.

[-none]

35. Especially if it is the Undemocrat they want you to vote for.

One candidate defends Democratic values and the other the values of the 1%. The choice is easy for me.

[DrDan]

10. absolutely - I was bashed the other day for using the word "juvenile", but

that is exactly what it is.

A take-my-ball-and-go-home attitude is not a sign of maturity.

[Bjornsdotter]

11. Everyday...

Let me remind you that you do not own my vote, ever.

I'd also like to point out that the primaries are not over, we still have 46 states and some territories. This is starting to sound like the issue with appointing a justice.

Is there a reason you don't want everyone to have a chance to vote?

[Larkspur]

12. My state will go for Hillary so my vote matters little

It's the "swing" states where Hillary has the problems. She's already losing to Trump in FL.
And it is in those states where her trustworthiness is lower than Trump's.

For me, if Hillary wins the Dem nomination, I'll just be a spectator of the Prez race. I'll hold my nose and vote for her in CT but as I said, CT is already baked into Hillary's Electoral College vote.

2016 could be another 2000.

[DrDan]

18. BS has not even opened a campaign office in Florida - at least Hillary is making an investment there

[djean111]

23. I live in Florida. There is a huge grassroots effort here.

Every person I have talked to is either already a Bernie supporter (most of them) or supports Trump (two people out of an awful lot). Almost without exception, the first thing they say to me, unbidden, is "anyone but Hillary". Bernie doesn't need an office for that, we communicate with each other and coordinate with the campaign. Hillary could open an office across the street and serve champagne, steak, and truffles - and I would not cross the street, nor will I vote for her.

[DrDan]

25. I live in Florida also - and I know many Hillary supporters

yes - the gop will go to trump - but Hillary is very viable here in the primaries.

I am aware of the grassroots effort here. I have seen the phonebanking schedule. Not impressive. Couple of marches, some corner waving. Minimal investment - if any.

[djean111]

27. We will just keep spreading the word.

Is your implication that Bernie doesn't care about Florida?

[DrDan]

29. the implication is that it is not a priority - I would never say he doesn't care

[Barack_America]

19. My vote (MI) may matter quite a bit. She's still not getting it.

[MellowDem]

13. Hillary is a TERRIBLE candidate...

because she is so conservative IMHO, and it's damn rational to not want to support a bought and paid for system, which Clinton benefits from and supports.

Our election system SUCKS. First past the post means I only have two choices. I think Hillary is a race whistling corporatist, a war hawk, and a staunch defender of the status quo, OF COURSE I don't want to vote for her.

I will vote for her, because I'm a pragmatist on these things. Not everyone is, and the turnout for Democrats has been absolute shit this primary so far, it has me worried about the dampened enthusiasm our two party system creates.

[MgtPA]

14. You are a terrible surrogate for Hillary.

When I read a vitriolic screed like this, I hear it in Ted Cruz's voice. Not a good look.

[NurseJackie]

31. "Vitriolic" ?? :-/

Good grief!

[book_worm]

16. And it's the opposite of HRC supporters who have said time and again

we will support the Democratic nominee no matter who it is--including Bernie.

[Barack_America]

17. Thanks, but Democracy means I get to choose whom to vote for...

...and whether to vote at all.

I have consistently said that I am more than willing to vote for a Democrat, provided one is run.

[Vattel]

20. Given the dishonesty and unfairness to Bernie and his supporters of so many DU Hillary supporters,

this may not be the best forum to use to try to badger people into voting for Hillary in the GE.

[Herman4747]

21. She is *NOT* a "Great Candidate"

Seldom have I encountered a Democratic Presidential candidate worse than her. (Maybe Joe Lieberman).
YOU FEAR THAT "YOUNG PROGRESSIVES" WILL FAIL TO SHOW UP FOR HILLARY, DON'T YOU? Well, then, you and people like you should have chosen a Democrat from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party. Idealistic young people are not going to be impressed by Goldman-Sachs candidates, by WalMart defenders.

You're fearful of that 40% approval rating Hillary has, aren't you? It's got you nervous. http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating Well, the general electorate is not fond of people who will readily lie if it suits their purposes.

But don't worry about Bernie supporters: most will vote for Hillary rather than for The Donald.

The people you need to worry about are INDEPENDENTS. They're a big part of why Hillary's approval rating is so low. You may find Hillary's duplicity to be acceptable, but will they?

[lostnfound]

32. Your post is logical and correct

Further, the behavior of the left leaning millenials may be hard to predict. Since they are influenced by social media more than TV I would not be surprised to see them refuse to fall in line. The strength of their preference for Bernie indicates they have a different paradigm at work... maybe the remnants of Occupy Wall Street.

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. *Brrrriiiing* There's the 9:30 bell. Lecture over.

[cantbeserious]

26. Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Much, Much Differently

eom

[kingCowan]

28. don't understand

I don't understand why any FDR style economic liberal would ever support Clinton...and to make matters worse she's not a very good social liberal either...Hillary is more of a fiscal conservative social moderate type...not my cup of tea.

[yardwork]

34. KnR

[casperthegm]

36. So we should follow along like good little sheep

and vote for the party's nominee no matter what. That's what the DU is advocating I suppose.

That's interesting, because we had a democrat politician her is NC a few years back that was completely corrupt. He was under investigation, then indicted, then convicted. Given the concept that we are supposed to back the democrat every time, I guess I would have been expected to support that guy too? Sorry, we're not sheep.

[heaven05]

37. we must vote

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No matter how tarnished our nominee is.....don't give the RW the victory they want. Only numbers count. IF enough vote, then IF the vote is obviously corrupted by the oligarchs and the suspicions of many is proven to be correct and only the person the monied class wants will ever be the "Leader of the 'free' world", then we will have a starting point to take back our vote and make this a better democracy where our vote truly counts.

[vi5]

38. Well then she needs to run a good campaign....

..and convince people why they should vote for her.

It's her job to do this and to run a good campaign and give people reasons to vote for her and not simply why they shouldn't vote for the other guy.

Running a primary campaign that seems to consist entirely of "No we can't" or "That will never happen" and then what seems like it's going to be a general election campaign consisting entirely of "PRESIDENT TRUMP!! BOOO!!!!" is not going to cut it.

A core group of Democratic Primary voters may be "ready for Hillary" but the majority of the country isn't. So it's her job, not my job and not anyone else's job to convince people.

If she loses the GE it's because she's a shitty candidate who ran a shitty campaign and who couldn't convince people to vote for her. Not because anyone was pouting and not because anyone was sore losers.

[Livluvgrow]

39. Keep talking

The more your side talks the more you alienate people. Just keep flappin your jaws Ms Bill George Henry Wallace Kissinger Clinton will sure rock it in the ge, not. See you need votes and support to win in the likes of Co, Oh, Penn, Fl. When you piss all over people they tend not to support. As one of your posters is always reminding us that we arent listening well your not listening so flap fklap flap away. My GE vote you have loist the chance to sway.

[Beowulf]

42. Some incorrect assumptions here.

"Take our ball and go home?" What ball? It's not our ball, it's your ball. And it's your rigged game.

You assume we were Hillary supporters when she was the only declared candidate. Bernie's entry into the race gave us a home. Hillary embodies many of the major problems we believe need to be tackled.

We've been told for decades to get in line, that supporting corporate Democrats is our only choice because the GOP is so bad. The lesser of two evils argument doesn't work with many of us any more, because either way no one is working on the issues that matter to us. We need something to vote FOR.

The Democratic Party is most successful when it can build coalitions with sincerity. Only on rare occasions has the party done that with its left wing. We get it, you want our votes, but you don't want to address our issues. Many of us have decided we won't be taken for granted any more.

Democrats wonder "What's the Matter with Kansas?" Why do Americans vote against their own interests? To many on the left that's what voting for a corporate Democrat is about - voting against our own interests. The republicans pull it off by using fear, unfortunately so do corporate democrats.

H2Oman made a terrific point this past week. Hillary is running a campaign, Bernie is heading a movement. That's a profound difference, and corporate Dems would do well to understand that. Demanding our allegiance, calling us names, belittling our issues, attempting to frighten us isn't the way to gain our support.

[CBGLuthier]

43. So full of high principles as to not be forced to vote for someone you despise and think is wrong

Up yours. My vote belongs to me. Not you. Not the fucking party. Not anyone but me.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. Progressives wasting their votes on neolib centrists is ridiculous.

[VulgarPoet]

45. /bye.

SOPA, TTP, the PATRIOT act, support of NSA Gag letters, and advocating for a "Manhattan project" to break encryption to invade the privacy of children rationalized by "but the scary terrorists" or "think of the children" is enough to completely put me off her. I'll vote down ticket Democrat... But I have to abstain on conscience if she winds up in the general.

[Ron Green]

46. Yet another hit-and-run post, full of nothing new. n/t