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AzDar

(14,023 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:47 PM Feb 2016

The Great Un-Doing: We Are Watching A Majority Of Our Party's Leaders Do Whatever It Takes...

To Keep The Gravy Train Rolling...The People And The Party ( and the Truth!) Are Of Little Consequence It Would Seem...

What Do We Do About This?

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The Great Un-Doing: We Are Watching A Majority Of Our Party's Leaders Do Whatever It Takes... (Original Post) AzDar Feb 2016 OP
The people spoke in SC. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #1
Just like the People of NH spoke...Try to stay on topic, Chief... AzDar Feb 2016 #3
A diverse electorate spoke in SC.nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #9
And? Barack_America Feb 2016 #20
... LexVegas Feb 2016 #28
Yes, the Diverse-est Evah. But I'm attempting to discuss the wholesale selling-out of the Party... AzDar Feb 2016 #52
Well apparently less than 30% per county TM99 Feb 2016 #31
Yeah...I know it hurts tonight. You always have Tuesday.nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #32
I am not hurt. TM99 Feb 2016 #36
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #63
Your statement is only true for the people in SC. NWCorona Feb 2016 #41
Oh, the 12%? (of a state that isn't representative of the larger electorate, I might add) nt silvershadow Feb 2016 #56
Well, a small percentage of them, anyway. Beartracks Feb 2016 #58
I just saw the voters of South Carolina pick Hillary overwhelmingly. Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #2
And its an overwhelmingly red state...so yeah datguy_6 Feb 2016 #7
Were Bernie supporters not aware that states like South Carolina vote in the Democratic primaries? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #15
Sorry, I was confused....I thought SC mattered datguy_6 Feb 2016 #19
I'm trying to understand your point. Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #25
Well they don't...caucuses are not the same as primaries... datguy_6 Feb 2016 #29
What? LexVegas Feb 2016 #33
What? Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #34
And these were democrats voting, in a democratic primary. Agschmid Feb 2016 #17
And HRC will lose it my same margin... datguy_6 Feb 2016 #22
Okay... Let's just not let the "red states" vote in the primary. Agschmid Feb 2016 #24
Why did these UglyGreed Feb 2016 #26
And congrats to Clinton but you are missing the point NWCorona Feb 2016 #43
8% or so. Not very overwhelming. Beartracks Feb 2016 #59
A question worth pondering and discussing yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #4
Destroys the party? Bernie wasn't even IN the party a few years ago. nt BreakfastClub Feb 2016 #8
Change generally comes from the outside. NWCorona Feb 2016 #45
permeant republican majority Robbins Feb 2016 #23
Regular democrats voted, not party elites. Those people preferred Hillary. There's no conspiracy. nt BreakfastClub Feb 2016 #5
With the low voter turnout Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #53
That's worrisome. If SC is "in the bag" for Hillary, then I certainly hope... Beartracks Feb 2016 #60
Purchasing The Presidency Is Writ Large In The Direct And Indirect Ways Candidates Are Bribed cantbeserious Feb 2016 #6
Somebody is going to get blocked for telling the truth... datguy_6 Feb 2016 #10
Do We Not Teach Our Children That The Truth Shall Set One Free cantbeserious Feb 2016 #16
Well, she'll lose, but she'll be fine! dchill Feb 2016 #18
why do you post such ugly... SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #27
... AzDar Feb 2016 #30
Yeah, well kicked and recced sadly Arazi Feb 2016 #40
This should be an OP on the front page onecaliberal Feb 2016 #44
I think shareholders of these companies could get pretty pissed at such a waste of money ... JudyM Feb 2016 #51
Wow KelleyKramer Feb 2016 #55
Jaw drop (nt) jack_krass Feb 2016 #61
There's a surplus of sour grapes tonight. Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #11
I've noticed that all day - tells me they knew he'd get clobbered today. n/t Lil Missy Feb 2016 #35
With a loss that Bernie took. That's bound to happen NWCorona Feb 2016 #47
What Do We Do About This? Apparently, we lose... dchill Feb 2016 #12
If she had any decency, she would drop out Politicalboi Feb 2016 #13
Why would she drop out, she is ahead in the delegate count. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #38
271,367 people voted for Hillary Clinton in South Carolina, while 95,840 voted for Bernie Sanders alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #14
271,000 people. Less than the population of Toledo, Ohio DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #46
The other 46 states and several territories will have their chance as well alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #49
As I said, not a knock on Hillary DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #54
Vote. Nt NCTraveler Feb 2016 #21
What needs to be done about it sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #37
+1 Matariki Feb 2016 #68
Too bad for you - the majority of voters is what counts, and Lil Missy Feb 2016 #39
We are watching the people of South Carolina express their preferences frazzled Feb 2016 #42
Fight on. No choice. This election. Next election. mmonk Feb 2016 #48
It's a gamed system. ananda Feb 2016 #50
Need to fight on!!! liberal from boston Feb 2016 #64
We vote Bernie! nt retrowire Feb 2016 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #62
Run for office. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #65
The DNC follows whoever is leading MSNBC. erlewyne Feb 2016 #66
Agree, except I think it's both parties. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #67
That's how it works. moondust Feb 2016 #69

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
20. And?
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:54 PM
Feb 2016

Are not all states part of the electoral college? Which do you think a Democrat has a chance in hell of winning?

Will you be breaking up with MN, WI, IA, etc. in person or by text?

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
52. Yes, the Diverse-est Evah. But I'm attempting to discuss the wholesale selling-out of the Party...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:26 AM
Feb 2016

We get it.. you're so VERY proud of sHillary, and will try to hector everyone endlessly to
just settle for HER!!... but...time and a place for everything, right? Surely you should be at the Victory Party thrown by Alice Walton, Henry the K, and the Boys at Goldman Sachs, anyway? Off you go...





 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
31. Well apparently less than 30% per county
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

actually spoke, but hey what's a few numbers right to ruin a meme?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
36. I am not hurt.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:05 AM
Feb 2016

I am just a slight bit saddened at the growing possibility of President Trump.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
58. Well, a small percentage of them, anyway.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:34 AM
Feb 2016

I sure hope more Dems hit the polls there in November than what showed up today.

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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. I just saw the voters of South Carolina pick Hillary overwhelmingly.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:49 PM
Feb 2016

The party leaders don't get thousands of votes.

These are Democratic voters...every day people picking Hillary over Bernie.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
15. Were Bernie supporters not aware that states like South Carolina vote in the Democratic primaries?
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

Some of you guys seem utterly shocked.

Did you not realize that all 50 states including US territories have a say in who our nominee is?

New to the process?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
25. I'm trying to understand your point.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

Do you think the rules should be changed?

Were you not aware the all states get to vote?

This is all new to you, huh?

 

datguy_6

(176 posts)
29. Well they don't...caucuses are not the same as primaries...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

And SC doesn't matter...waffles, indigo, blueberries and formica!

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
26. Why did these
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

voters vote for Hillary in such numbers??? I wonder if there is some underlying reason for these numbers???

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
59. 8% or so. Not very overwhelming.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:39 AM
Feb 2016

Just sayin.' Turnout was dismal. About 12% of the electorate (I presume that means only the Democratic electorate, but I'm not sure) is all that could get to the polls? Republicans seem more motivated there. Ugh.

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Robbins

(5,066 posts)
23. permeant republican majority
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:55 PM
Feb 2016

even if clinton wins in squeaker we are still screwed.

dems will get killed in 2018 midterm.that ensures GOP controls 2020 reidstricting.assuring gop control of house till 2032 at earliest and perhapes longer.

with gerrymandering and citizen's united gop can't be beaten if Trump wins.trump could go to 10% approval in 2018 and GOP keeps congress.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
60. That's worrisome. If SC is "in the bag" for Hillary, then I certainly hope...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:43 AM
Feb 2016

... today's lackluster showing at the polls was more a symptom of Dems who were confident she'd win the primary, rather than being a harbinger of low enthusiasm for the general election in November if she is indeed our candidate.

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cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
6. Purchasing The Presidency Is Writ Large In The Direct And Indirect Ways Candidates Are Bribed
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

List Of - Publicly Disclosed - HRC Speeches And Fees - $ 21,667,000 - A True One Percenter

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-27/snowden-sums-presidential-campaign-just-one-tweet

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
51. I think shareholders of these companies could get pretty pissed at such a waste of money ...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:25 AM
Feb 2016

$300,000 for a speech?

They have a fiduciary duty to shareholders...
So how would they justify it if not for influence?

dchill

(38,471 posts)
12. What Do We Do About This? Apparently, we lose...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

in November. Don't worry, though - the gravy train will keep rollin'.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
14. 271,367 people voted for Hillary Clinton in South Carolina, while 95,840 voted for Bernie Sanders
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders cracked 40% of the people's votes in only one South Carolina county - he lost that county 55%-44%.

In some counties, he failed to crack 10% (yes, 10%) of the vote.

What we are watching is a campaign with moderately good self-presentation run up against actual voters. Now, you can get a better message, or do better persuading. That's what you have available.

So get to it.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
46. 271,000 people. Less than the population of Toledo, Ohio
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

Or Greensboro, North Carolina. That's not a knock on Secretary Clinton, but on the way we pick presidents in this country.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
49. The other 46 states and several territories will have their chance as well
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:19 AM
Feb 2016

I agree that candidates should stay in the race as long as they are viable and perhaps longer if there is some argument to go forward with.

If you're suggesting we have single-day primaries prior to any national election, I'd be fine with that, too. We're all playing under the same rules in this particular election, and Hillary won the people's vote (that is, the Democratic primary-voting people's vote) in South Carolina very nearly 3-1.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
54. As I said, not a knock on Hillary
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:31 AM
Feb 2016

Those tiny numbers (in every state, relatively speaking) just always jump out at me.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
37. What needs to be done about it
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:07 AM
Feb 2016

by Bernie supporters is to get involved by
infiltrating the democratic party from the
bottom to the top.

Yes, that takes work, and I noticed just in
my district a strong fight against the entrenched
party apparachics.

It has to be remembered that people in power
are trying everything to keep it.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
39. Too bad for you - the majority of voters is what counts, and
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:08 AM
Feb 2016

HRC got the majority of votes from regular people, not Our Party's Leaders.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
42. We are watching the people of South Carolina express their preferences
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:11 AM
Feb 2016

Or at least the Democratic people of South Carolina. You got a problem with the people?

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
48. Fight on. No choice. This election. Next election.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:19 AM
Feb 2016

Get in the street. Continue to be heard. We can do better as a nation. But it will take you.

ananda

(28,858 posts)
50. It's a gamed system.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:22 AM
Feb 2016

The media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the
corporate rightwing.

The DNC is headed by corporate conservative
Democrats who are aligned with the 1%.

The big corporate and banking money is going
to the Democrat who is taking their money and
will do nothing to rein them in.

And for some reason a really good people's
candidate like Sanders can't gain traction among
the people who need him the most.

Go figure! It's like reverse looking-glass world.

No wonder I'm reading Lewis Carroll right now.

Response to AzDar (Original post)

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
66. The DNC follows whoever is leading MSNBC.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:39 AM
Feb 2016

One thing though, the media will not get my vote.

Bernie will !!!!!!!!

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
67. Agree, except I think it's both parties.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:59 AM
Feb 2016

I just read via the NYT that McConnell told Congressional Repubs that they can run ads against Trump to distance themselves from him. Also that they will stonewall Trump just like they have Dems.

I've never seen that happen before. The Repubs are super threatened by Trump

It's the machine payroll politicians of both parties vs. the outsiders of both parties.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
69. That's how it works.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:35 AM
Feb 2016

Even communists tend to be revolutionary until the revolution is over and they control the levers and the money at which time they become conservative in doing whatever necessary to maintain the status quo gravy train.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - JFK

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