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Sat Feb 27, 2016, 09:59 PM

 

Don't you just hate it when people vote against their own interests?

And take us down with them? Makes you a bit irritated to say the least. Right?

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Reply Don't you just hate it when people vote against their own interests? (Original post)
Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 OP
72DejaVu Feb 2016 #1
Recursion Feb 2016 #2
Agschmid Feb 2016 #23
snowy owl Feb 2016 #27
JI7 Feb 2016 #38
thesquanderer Feb 2016 #46
LexVegas Feb 2016 #3
DURHAM D Feb 2016 #4
boston bean Feb 2016 #5
msongs Feb 2016 #6
Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #20
gwheezie Feb 2016 #7
Fumesucker Feb 2016 #48
liberal N proud Feb 2016 #8
Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #9
TCJ70 Feb 2016 #10
SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #15
2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #36
2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #35
FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #11
grossproffit Feb 2016 #12
MrWendel Feb 2016 #13
BreakfastClub Feb 2016 #14
NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #16
2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #45
NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #47
NCTraveler Feb 2016 #17
Adrahil Feb 2016 #18
Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #19
frazzled Feb 2016 #39
Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #44
Agschmid Feb 2016 #21
beaglelover Feb 2016 #22
H2O Man Feb 2016 #24
Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #25
dimple Feb 2016 #26
Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #30
dimple Feb 2016 #31
Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #32
SylviaD Feb 2016 #28
PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #29
WayBeyondBlue Feb 2016 #33
onenote Feb 2016 #34
2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #37
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #41
2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #43
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #40
bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #42

Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:00 PM

1. If it wasn't for those damn voters!

Who do they think they are, meddling with the revolution?

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:01 PM

2. Oddly, this line gets more condescending every time it's repeated

Whoever thought "What's the Matter with Kansas?" was a winning line needs to be flogged.

People always vote for their best interests, as they perceive them.

They may not perceive them the way you do.

They may, for that matter, be right.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:20 PM

23. Yup.

Thanks for that.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:30 PM

27. I'd like you to explain that

Since the northern states send more of their tax money south, how does it compute that the south votes it's own interests? Now they may perceive their interests to be righteous but I don't see how that make their perceptions right. There are many examples of people voting or following leaders that they perceived to be right that in the end do them no good. So how politically correct as opposed to critically intelligent is your statement?

Further, I'm a teacher who shares a grade level with a black woman from Louisiana and we talk about this all the time. When I ask her how blacks in the south keep voting the way they do, she keeps responding it is all about family. It goes back to slavery and family. She says that people still consider themselves part of the families that run the south. The old white slaveholders - there is still a connection between blacks and family meaning white pillars of society I guess. The Landrieu family is one such example that blacks trust.

Now this is hard to write because I can think of so many thoughtless responses myself to what I've said. But these words aren't mine. They belong to a wonderful first grade teacher whose family still resides in Louisiana.

I see South Carolina as reflecting the same loyalty to the Clintons even though there is absolutely no reason they should. The Clintons have done nothing for any racial minority. Perhaps it was Toni Morrison's misinterpreted "Bill Clinton is the first black President" that did it. Or many it is just loyalty to President from Arkansas. But I do not understand how perceptions are necessarily right if they are based on false premises or half-truths. Loyalty to a belief system is never voting your own interests.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:08 AM

38. and the support for Donald Trump shows this

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:26 AM

46. I agree. I intend to vote against my own (economic) self-interest.

Looking at Bernie's tax plan, I expect my taxes to go up thousands of dollars if he gets his way, even accounting for not having to pay private health insurance. I will still vote for him, because his policies represent the kind of country I want to live in, a country that I feel is better for most of its citizens, even though it's not necessarily best for me personally.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:01 PM

3. And there it is. nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:03 PM

4. Yep.

No surprise.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:03 PM

5. Oh please. nt

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:07 PM

6. No they are voting against yours and bernie's own interests. nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:18 PM

20. DUzy!!

 

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:09 PM

7. If we could only change the rules

So that the person with the least amount of votes is the winner, then they could save us dummies.
Thread after thread tonight they just keep doubling down.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:38 AM

48. Bush v Gore

The candidate with the fewest votes "won".

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:10 PM

8. Remember that thought in the general election

If your candidate didn't get the nomination. Vote for the Democratic Candidate.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:10 PM

9. Head-meet-desk territory...but it's their perfect right.

 

I do indeed resent being taken down with them, though. Bernie Sanders' candidacy is a "first time in my lifetime" sort of thing. An unexpected but gleefully-embraced cure for my ever-growing political cynicism, something this socialist never thought she'd see. But instead it looks like we're going to get another goddamned status quo corporatist, another compliant puppet. So yeah...I'm going to have no good opinion of any people (ostensibly) on the leftist/progressive side of things acting to bring about that disappointing, destructive result.

And yeah, I know that's condescending. I don't even remotely care.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:12 PM

10. This kind of post is not helpful...

...if Sanders wins he'll still need those Hillary folks to win the GE. Not as much as she'd need Sanders supporters but the point still stands.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:38 PM

15. not to worry - they will get in line

 

they are loyal to the party

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Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:44 AM

36. The party that has shit on them?

 

I dont think they will be in line.

Could be wrong, but I don't think so.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:43 AM

35. Probably won't have to be concerned on if she will need sanders supporters

 

I don't think they will be there.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:12 PM

11. Well, we were made to understand....

that "our" interests were
Welfare,
Crime,
Incarceration,
Superpredator,
and Free shit!



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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:14 PM

12. Which people would those be?

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:20 PM

13. Irritating all right...

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:21 PM

14. Who are you to determine what other people's interests are? nt

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:59 PM

16. Don't you just hate it when ...

... people decide what's in their own best interest, instead of relying on some guy on DU to tell them?

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:20 AM

45. Apparently some are living in the wrong century

 

And can't figure out that giving more money to bank of America, letting corporations write the laws, doing away with regulations that protect all of the people, are not in their best interest and that is what SC just voted for in all colors.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #45)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:18 AM

47. Yeah, uh-huh.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:00 PM

17. I do.

 

Fuck Trump and his supporters.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:03 PM

18. Just wait a couple days... I'm sure the MSM will finally recognize that SBS REALLY won.

 

amiright?


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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:16 PM

19. How do you know what their interests are? Maybe their top issue is Jesus Christ?

 

Hillary believes in Jesus too. She reads bible verses every day. She gets them emailed to her daily by her pastor. She has a close personal relationship with the pastor.

You're assuming people care about jobs and access to the basic needs of life. Some voters are more concerned with the afterlife and their best interest lies in finding someone who respects Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:10 AM

39. Actually "Economy/Jobs" was by far the top issue for SC voters

And those who listed it as such (44%--a much higher number than did so in either Iowa or New Hampshire) voted for Clinton 75% to 25%. I thought this election was supposed to be about the people. The people of SC have spoken. And they're not stupid.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:17 AM

44. Are you sure? Maybe people lied to the pollster because they didn't want to admit voting on religion

 

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:19 PM

21. Unrec.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:19 PM

22. They voted for a winner in SC!! Hillary is on the fast track to the nomination now.

I'm very excited. Can't wait for Bernie to get more ass whooped on Super Tuesday. He'll be out of the race by the end of March. Mark my words!

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:20 PM

24. No, not really.

I'm glad that people get out and vote, even when I disagree with them on candidates.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:22 PM

25. Gosh.

Whyever didn't people flock to that attitude?

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:25 PM

26. People know what their interests are better than you do (n/t)

 

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Response to dimple (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:38 PM

30. Does that include all those conservative, non-rich Republicans, in your view?

 

Because if it doesn't - and it certainly doesn't with me, when I see ordinary working people vote Republican - then is it so odd for someone to have the opinion that non-1%er Hillary supporters are not acting in their own interest? Even if it's wrong in any given case, it's hardly an absurd or irrational opinion.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:54 PM

31. Yes of course it applies to Republicans too

 

whether they are poor, working class, self employed, whatever. They have their reasons, even if I don't 100% understand what those are.

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Response to dimple (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:56 PM

32. I certainly would never deny them their reasons or the right to act on them...

 

...but I also reserve the right to think poorly of their reasoning. And to express that opinion, as well...

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:31 PM

28. Utter pompous drivel. n/t

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:34 PM

29. I find a paternalistic and condescending tone irritating.

But that's me.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:07 AM

33. They don't think they're voting against

their own interests. They're voting the best they know how, and THAT is where the process falls short. Not their fault.

We will get the government we deserve. And that's not necessarily a positive statement.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:11 AM

34. If you really believe voters go against their own interests

then how is it possible that Bernie can succeed with voters against a repub.

I'm voting for Bernie (next week, early voting in VA). But the ultimate acting against my interests would be to not to do everything in my power to ensure that no matter who the Democratic nominee is, that person defeats whichever of the repub maniacs is on the other side.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:51 AM

37. Yes I do hate it

 

Many will squawk about how others can't know what's best for them but if they are not among the rich, they are about to lose big time. Imagine the US trying to survive another Bush/cheney. It's going to be mighty close to that with either Trump or Corporate Hillary. If Bernie loses the US and the rest of the world loses.

And they can't see it. It's as though some think they are going to be part of the preferred. Even if I were rich, I would not want to be part of that club. Many of them will be circling that same drain the rest of us are by the time a Trump or Hillary POTUS ends.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:11 AM

41. So condescending and you don't even get it.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #41)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:13 AM

43. I do get it

 

I'm just over it.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:10 AM

40. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Don't you know the Berniebros have your best interests at heart?

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:13 AM

42. That only applies when people vote for republicans.

When they vote for shitty democrats, we're supposed to suck it up.

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