South Carolina black voters say they know Hillary Clinton well enough to pass on Bernie Sanders

[Freddie Stubbs]

His hands caked in grime from his repair job, Walter Brown coughed out a laugh when asked for his thoughts about Bernie Sanders, whose insurgent presidential campaign has electrified liberals around the country.

“Who is Bernie Sanders?” he said while sitting on a bench during an afternoon break. Brown, 59, is already leaning toward Hillary Clinton and doesn’t plan to start researching other options.

“I don’t have time,” he said, gesturing toward the downtown building where he’s been working. “I’m here all day.”

Sanders’ effort to broaden his appeal beyond white progressives and young people has run into a roadblock here in the form of black working-class voters, who in interviews here this week repeatedly voiced their longtime loyalty to Clinton. Several echoed Brown’s point that they don’t have time to explore an alternative nor interest in learning about Sanders, a U.S. senator from Vermont who was practically unknown in South Carolina before launching his presidential bid.

more: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-sanders-black-voters-20160226-story.html

[William769]

1. And I for one trust their judgement.

[lunamagica]

3. So do I

[William769]

17. We're missing you.

[lunamagica]

23. Awww, that's sweet!

I'll be there late today

[TheBlackAdder]

58. Complacency and lack of objectivity -- One reason why things do not change.

.



So, it's good that people don't objectively research matters before voting?


That constitutes trustworthy judgment?



.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

59. What's not to love about indolent, low-informations voters?

I can understand how some see the appeal.

[Carlo Marx]

2. "I don't have time" to learn about my choices for president.

Matt Karp, writing in the Jacobin, looked at polling data from the fall and found that 35% of black voters in south carolina thought a "Sanders administration would favor the rich." 12% though Sanders favored the poor. Only 10 % thought a Clinton administration would " favor the rich." Democrats have their own low information voter problems. The media blackout up until the Iowa caucus along with Clinton and her surrogate lies and propaganda have really worked in the south.

[sufrommich]

6. So only white people know how to vote,huh?

[HerbChestnut]

24. Oh come on

It's pretty clear there's many people out there who *still* don't know where Bernie stands on the issues. The person you responded to posted statistics that demonstrated that problem. It had nothing to do with race and you know it.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

60. Hilly needs her shizzle stirrers. What is she without them?

[Orsino]

4. Clinton was sure to win against an unknown.

A primary fight with a candidate whose superior platform is getting better known with each passing week is a bit more of a challenge. Time is on Sanders' side...if there's enough of it.

[DCBob]

5. Exactly as I thought.

Most are happy with Hillary.. why even look for an alternative?

[pangaia]

27. Ignorance is bliss.

[DCBob]

40. Nothing to do with ignorance... its Bernie fault he isnt more well known in the south.

If Bernie was more active and leading the way on issues that African Americans consider important they might have a different feeling about him.

[Number23]

49. You just won GDP for today. You truly did

[DCBob]

56. ..

Thank you. Just doing my part to set the facts straight around here.

[bettyellen]

53. that's the bottom line, he thought he could do this without their vote. too little, too late.

[Cali_Democrat]

7. It's Bernie's fault that he isn't more well-known

Clearly he hasn't done a good enough job of reaching out to the African American community.

[HerbChestnut]

25. Bwaaahahahaha

You don't really believe that do you? The guy who was practically ignored by the DNC and the Media until Iowa? The guy who, despite winning NH and coming damn close in IA and NV, is still not known by 10-20% of the population? Come on...

[DrDan]

63. so it's DNC's and MSM's responsibility to get his background and platform known?

seems to me that falls to the candidate

[jfern]

62. If we had more debates and the DNC and the Democratic party

didn't do everything they could to either have Bernie ignored or take him down, things would be different.

[LexVegas]

8. That lack of support is on Bernie He hasn't been there for the decades that Clinton has. nt

[HerbChestnut]

26. What has Hillary done for minorities and AA's?

This is an honest question. Can you list her accomplishments?

[SwampG8r]

42. For them or to them?

2 different lists one is long one is short

[Broward]

43. The problem is that she has been there.

Just not in the way you were suggesting.

[artislife]

9. They can vote for whom they like

Just like the rest of us.

[AZ Progressive]

10. So Hillary is relying on low information voters in order to win

Aren't you proud, Hillary supporters?

[all american girl]

11. Seriously?

[Lizzie Poppet]

32. The quoted voter's OWN WORDS bolster that statement.

It's right there in the OP...

[sufrommich]

12. Oh my God.

[LexVegas]

14. And there it is. nt

[William769]

15. Happens every time.

And they wonder why their candidate is in the toilet.

[sufrommich]

19. It will be worse when he loses. They can barely

contain themselves now.

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[sufrommich]

22. Are DU's Sanders supporters proud of this jury result ??? nt

[farleftlib]

30. Haha

The injured innocent routine, really? That's about as believable as Trump's combover.

[AlbertCat]

57. Are DU's Sanders supporters proud of this jury result ???

Proud??? What a stupid question.

But it's fair.

Or do you suppose there are zero low information voters in the black community?

I imagine there are low info women voters too.... and low info white voters.... and low info gay voters.... and any set of humans you care to name.

Race card, anyone?

When you want low info voters to be a block of your supporters, you hire people like Brock.

[DCBob]

18. Too ignorant to realize Bernie is the better candidate??

on your post.

[Blue_Adept]

20. Pretty much why I continue to disassociate with most Sanders supporters here

Example laid out clear here.

[Starry Messenger]

33. I'm proud to know that African-American voters are supporting the same candidate I am.

I'd say we all have adequate information at this point about both Sanders and his coalition to not find it a desirable alternative.

Better luck next time.

[grossproffit]

51. Shameful.

[MrWendel]

55. Did it ever occur to you...

that they don't give a shit about Bernie Sanders? Low information =/= POC

[Live and Learn]

61. +10,000 nt

[SidDithers]

13. Clinton built relationships and invested the time over a period of years...

Bernie's tryiing to do the same thing in a matter of weeks.

Not gunna happen.

Sid

[Chakab]

37. Her only real relationships are with the wealthy class. She's being supported by these people

based purely on name recognition.

[JI7]

46. wrong. she actually does spend a lot of time with diverse communities

[NurseJackie]

21. Looks like his last-minute efforts are a "day-late and dollar-short" (as the saying goes).

Apparently Bernie has been making a hurried and perfunctory appeal to POC with tv and radio interviews, but it seems unlikely that it's going to have any meaningful effect on what we (and he, presumably) anticipate will happen in the coming days.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

[Beartracks]

28. "Hillary Clinton: Good Enough."

A free slogan for her campaign!

Hey, if people plan to vote for her because they don't have time to look into the other options, that's no crime. This economy keeps people busy trying to make ends meet. At any rate, she clearly must be "good enough" or else they'd just plan to stay home.

It's rather hollow support, though.

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[mwrguy]

29. He needs to have the error of his ways whitesplained to him

[sufrommich]

38. This post is so very telling.

"In the future, when there isn't much sympathy for a large portion of the black base in the
Democratic party from the on the left wing that you're directing this nonsense at, I hope that none of you act like you're surprised."



Saved for posterity.

[JI7]

47. i wonder if they even realize it

And these are supposed to be progressives who care about people ?Especially those who have it the toughest.

[MaggieD]

36. I'm sure that will happen to him

.... and probably worse. That's how they roll.

[Lizzie Poppet]

31. "...doesn’t plan to start researching other options."

There's nothing I can say about that attitude that some clown wouldn't alert on...

[MaggieD]

34. Well you can't ignore folks for 25 years....

And then expect them to flock to you. It doesn't work that way.

[thereismore]

39. “Who is Bernie Sanders?” kinda means he doesn't know enough about him. Settle for Hillary!

[Gothmog]

41. Again, Sanders is campaign is based on a revolution that is not happening

The premise of the OP appears to be that it is the fault of the voters that his message is not getting through which is sad. Again, it is not just South Carolina where the Sanders revolution is failing to catch on. No one has seen any evidence of the so-called Sanders revolution https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/sorry-bernie-sanders-there-is-zero-evidence-of-your-political-revolution-yet/

Bernie Sanders recorded a resounding victory in New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday. He crushed his rival, Hillary Clinton, with no less than 60 percent of the vote. If Sanders hopes not only to win the election but to achieve his ambitious progressive agenda, though, that might not be enough.

To succeed, Sanders might have to drive Americans who don't normally participate to the polls. Unfortunately for him, groups who usually do not vote did not turn out in unusually large numbers in New Hampshire, according to exit polling data.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

...As for Sanders, he credited his victory to turnout. "Because of a huge voter turnout -- and I say huge -- we won," he said in his speech declaring victory, dropping the "h" in "huge." "We harnessed the energy, and the excitement that the Democratic party will need to succeed in November."

In fact, Sanders won by persuading many habitual Democratic primary voters to support him. With 95 percent of precincts reporting their results as of Wednesday morning, just 241,000 ballots had been cast in the Democratic primary, fewer than the 268,000 projected by New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner last week. Nearly 289,000 voters cast ballots in the state's Democratic primary in 2008.

To be sure, the general election is still seven months away. Ordinary Americans might be paying little attention to the campaign at this point, and if Sanders wins the nomination, he'll have the help of the Democratic Party apparatus in registering new voters. The political revolution hasn't started, though, at least not yet.

Without this revolution, I am not sure how Sanders proposes to advance his unrealistic agenda

[Number23]

50. Excellent post. Not that it will do anything to stop the "black folks are low information voters"

line from the "progressives" who love to scream the loudest about how liberal and loving they are.

Sanders built his whole campaign on revolution. He was going to awaken the masses, help them swarm to the polls and together, we'd all sweep in a new era of... something. Problem is, even after 30 years in Congress, too many people have absolutely no idea who he is and the masses that he was supposed to awaken are not coming out to vote. Dem primary turnout is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than it was 8 years ago and it is widely acknowledged that his resounding win in NH came on the backs of Republicans and not Democrats.

Some will continue to blame all of this on black folks, but just because we aren't as easily fooled as others doesn't make us the problem.

[Arazi]

44. Well that kinda puts to rest the assertion that all AA voters have done their research

and chosen HRC for her positions.

They haven't heard of Sanders

[BreakfastClub]

45. The Clintons are known in the black community and it makes sense to support Hillary over Bernie. nt

[loyalsister]

48. Sounds a little like "dance with the devil ya know who brung ya" more than enthusiastic support

People who ignore politics do it because they don't want to ruin their day. I can totally understand why someone would want to tune it out while they carry on with the hard work of living. But, this is not SUPPORT, it's the kind of lukewarm support that could turn on a dime.

I think Hillary's surrogates are overestimating.

[arcane1]

52. Those few people speak for ALL black voters now?

[pdsimdars]

54. Ha ha

That's a good one.
(Hope you don't have anyone you know in jail, thanks to Clintons)