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I don't care about Hillary's support for Goldwater 50 years ago, nearly so much as... (Original Post) magical thyme Feb 2016 OP
Off to the greatest page! libtodeath Feb 2016 #1
MSNBC Mika Brysinski, "Print Reporters Have Transcripts... " CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #18
Good, please release them ASAP Politicalboi Feb 2016 #29
Do they? merrily Feb 2016 #51
K&R!!!! valerief Feb 2016 #2
Ouch! Vinca Feb 2016 #3
+1! NWCorona Feb 2016 #5
wherever there's GOLD in them thar hills Merryland Feb 2016 #4
kick krawhitham Feb 2016 #6
I wish that that would make an impression on HRC GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #7
If Hillary was supporting Goldwater 40 years ago, she was a fool. 6chars Feb 2016 #8
fixed my typo. happy now? nt magical thyme Feb 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Feb 2016 #12
I remember the 60s. the 70s were a depressing time for me. nt magical thyme Feb 2016 #14
thanks alot I was born in 1975 :P n/t PatrynXX Feb 2016 #27
'If you remember the 60's, you weren't really there, man' FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #41
let's just say I was outside, magical thyme Feb 2016 #45
! FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #47
Aw the 70's were great..Leisure Suits,Bell Bottoms,new era of music..Great times INdemo Feb 2016 #57
For all we know, she may still be supporting him. merrily Feb 2016 #55
Where did you get 40 years ago? Goldwater ran in 1964, Hillary was still in high school. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #58
The original op, now corrected, said 40 years 6chars Feb 2016 #60
I don't remember his slogan. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #61
Yep. n/t Orsino Feb 2016 #9
K and R (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #11
Wow,a picture of HRC introducing Blankfein at a Clinton Tanuki Feb 2016 #13
no timmymoff Feb 2016 #17
Add to that TheUndecider Feb 2016 #19
You left out Gay marriage. Lunabell Feb 2016 #38
It's the oligarchy, stupid. mike45567 Feb 2016 #50
. merrily Feb 2016 #56
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #15
Spot on magical thyme Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #16
KICKETY KICK!! secondwind Feb 2016 #20
Brilliant! zentrum Feb 2016 #21
The two facts are probably not completely unrelated. nt Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #22
+1!!! Proud to be the 100th Rec! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #23
Amen to that! nt Duval Feb 2016 #24
That went cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #25
Words of Wisdom on this matter Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #26
Haha, good one! Dem2 Feb 2016 #28
I do not have a problem with Hillary supporting Goldwater when she was a teenager. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #30
Can Goldman Sachs tax deduct the $650,000 paid Clinton? If so, how? Arizona Roadrunner Feb 2016 #31
What bothers me is her adulation of Henry Kissinger today Cleita Feb 2016 #32
The blood of millions. hifiguy Feb 2016 #52
What bothers me most is that she can't speak about EITHER of those experiences to America today! cascadiance Feb 2016 #33
I definitely thought the yellow outfit was a message to GS to let them know she's still in the fold. jalan48 Feb 2016 #34
For some reason I am reminded of hifiguy Feb 2016 #53
Not yellow. Gold! n/t RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #54
Ah yes, "gold", the operative word with Hillary. jalan48 Feb 2016 #59
that's great! amborin Feb 2016 #35
And there is no truth to the rumor that H.Clinton will choose Goldman-Sachs as her running rhett o rick Feb 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Chicago1980 Feb 2016 #37
I can't rec this Dem_in_Nebr. Feb 2016 #39
A Goldman Girl no doubt.. INdemo Feb 2016 #40
Ewwww. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #42
Yuck! n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #44
good lord does she *ever* shut her damn mouth?!? magical thyme Feb 2016 #48
I accept the OkSustainAg Feb 2016 #43
Speaking of Goldman Sachs... maddiemom Feb 2016 #46
kick kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #49
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
29. Good, please release them ASAP
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:18 PM
Feb 2016

We all want to hear what was said. Although some of us will put their fingers in their ears again and sing LALALALALALALALALA.

GoneOffShore

(17,309 posts)
7. I wish that that would make an impression on HRC
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

And her more vocal cheerleaders.

Unfortunately the HRC Regressive flavor Kool Aid has been sucked down and the supply seems unending.

Ignore those bankers behind the curtain. They're not pulling any strings or calling in any favors.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
8. If Hillary was supporting Goldwater 40 years ago, she was a fool.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:48 PM
Feb 2016

The election was between Carter and Ford.

Response to magical thyme (Reply #10)

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
57. Aw the 70's were great..Leisure Suits,Bell Bottoms,new era of music..Great times
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

The 60.s well I worked for uncle Sam for 4 years but the 60's for the most part were decent except for the war.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
55. For all we know, she may still be supporting him.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016

He was truly an American original … I never knew anybody quite like him … he was uncommonly kind to me and to Hillary. I always came away … with the impression that he was a great patriot and a truly fine human being.

Bill Clinton, as quoted in "Goldwater Called 'Great Patriot'" at CBS News (29 May 1998)

As compared with


I am compelled to urge Negroes and all people of goodwill to vote against him. His election would be a tragedy and certainly, suicidal almost for the nation and the world.

Martin Luther King, Jr., in a video clip presented on The Rachel Maddow Show (19 October 2010)



I'm liberal up to a degree, I think everybody should be free, but if you think I'll let Barry Goldwater move in next door and marry my daughter, you must think I'm crazy. I wouldn't let him do it for all the farms in Cuba.

Bob Dylan, in I Shall Be Free"

As collected at https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
58. Where did you get 40 years ago? Goldwater ran in 1964, Hillary was still in high school.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:35 PM
Feb 2016

We could say this was a youthful decision. I am more interested in what the candidate did when he was 31, not a youth anymore, writing an article which he sent to a newspaper and was published about women fantasizing about being raped by three men at one time. This speaks volumes.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
60. The original op, now corrected, said 40 years
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:21 PM
Feb 2016

If she supported him 50 years ago, she can blame her youth. But if she was out supporting him while Carter was running against Ford, she has no excuse.

Not relating to Hillary, but rather to history, didn't Goldwater have a slogan something like "in your heart you know he's right?" - which I have to assume was an early dog whistle. Creepy.



Tanuki

(14,893 posts)
13. Wow,a picture of HRC introducing Blankfein at a Clinton
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:32 PM
Feb 2016

Global Initiative conference in 2014, where he spoke about the Ten Thousand Women initiative. Is that really something you hold against her?
http://www.goldmansachs.com/citizenship/10000women/

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
17. no
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

But we can hold fracking, TPP, Her support of NAFTA, her wal mart days, her Iraq war vote, her bankruptcy bill vote, her coziness with banks and hedge funds, her Libya actions as sos , her private prison support.

Lunabell

(5,920 posts)
38. You left out Gay marriage.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:33 AM
Feb 2016

She finally came around in 2013, but Bernie has always supported the community.

mike45567

(12 posts)
50. It's the oligarchy, stupid.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

Every argument ends when you ask if Carter is right about our government being an oligarchy.
Bernie teaches oligarchy 101 at rallies.
The blind call this irresponsible rabble rousing.
They find an economist who disputes Bernie's figures, and accuse him of lying. This in turn makes him a demagogue leading mobs of Bernie bros. that he has "radicalized".

If Jimmy Carter is correct, and I assure you he is, then we have every right to confront this monster with everything we have.
Revolutions can include a bit of conflict.
Bern the oligarchy!

Powers Hapgood

(57 posts)
26. Words of Wisdom on this matter
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:13 PM
Feb 2016

"The executive of the modern State is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie."

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
30. I do not have a problem with Hillary supporting Goldwater when she was a teenager.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:27 PM
Feb 2016

She was interested in politics at a young age and it has carried through in her adult life. She had an early interest in women's issues and children's issues, her life's work has been for others.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
32. What bothers me is her adulation of Henry Kissinger today
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:31 PM
Feb 2016

and the influence he will have in her foreign policy. The man has blood on his hands.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
52. The blood of millions.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016

And you know he is on her speed-dial. She's an imperialist neocon in terms of foreign policy and no amount of "Yay, Hillary" will ever wipe that fact from the record.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
33. What bothers me most is that she can't speak about EITHER of those experiences to America today!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

WHY do you feel like you need to hide your feelings and what you were feeling like you were doing in both of these situations to the average American Hillary? What do you have to hide?

If it was a rewarding experience for you where you feel a lot of personal accomplishment from them, perhaps sharing with it might help us understand them and feel better about you and what you were thinking in both scenarios. Without an explanation and your being secret about those situations and so many other experiences and policy positions (STILL WAITING OVER EIGHT YEARS to hear if you've "evolved" on your anti-worker stance on H-1B program support, which is why you are also losing potential voters who want labor support to Trump at places like Disney who have come out and said so much).

Thom Hartmann also campaigned for Goldwater as a kid for his dad. But he's honest and tells us a lot of what he was experiencing then, and how that affected what he did later in life. Why can't you do that. It engenders trust! Trust that you so sorely need and aren't getting now.

Americans WANT to trust a Democrat this time in the face of so many they know they can't trust, or they fully trust to do the wrong things from the Republican side. You don't have much to lose by being honest with us. You won't win without people trusting you this time, and you won't get another shot at winning the White House if you don't win it this time either.

Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Dem_in_Nebr.

(299 posts)
39. I can't rec this
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:29 AM
Feb 2016

Little too sexist and demeaning. Goldman "girl"?? I get it but I can't rec it.

Also I have decided I will not rec anything about Hillary, pro or con.

I stand with Bernie and Bernie doesn't do this kind of stuff so why should I?

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
40. A Goldman Girl no doubt..
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016


Goldman Sachs alum Jon S. Corzine kisses Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2007.

OkSustainAg

(203 posts)
43. I accept the
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:04 AM
Feb 2016

fact that a large percentage of Democratic voters are all in for corporatism. People keep believing that there almost rich. That at least they are higher up the ladder than some other poor sod. The wars just make it convenient to not have to say they really like capitalist socialism over democratic socialism. They haven't accepted the idea that our economic system (Post Gold standard) is so fluid now that all the issues could now be solved. It is about POWER and CONTROL in the hands of those up the line. Money can be made when needed. If the rich can't make the market work, the Government can give them money. Need a war the government can create the funds. But help people. No money for your needs.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
46. Speaking of Goldman Sachs...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:40 PM
Feb 2016

I wonder if Cruz has payed back the million dollars he owes them (if he was paid at Hillary's speaker fee, he could just give a few speeches). Nonetheless, the Repugs and so-called "liberal media" have plenty of anti-Hillary ammo without D.U. help. I prefer Bernie and will vote for him in the PA primary, but there seems to be more Hillary criticism on D.U. than criticism of Trump, Cruz (and Rubio) combined

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