2016 Postmortem
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libtodeath
(2,888 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)We all want to hear what was said. Although some of us will put their fingers in their ears again and sing LALALALALALALALALA.
merrily
(45,251 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Vinca
(50,170 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)Hil is there...
krawhitham
(4,634 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,309 posts)And her more vocal cheerleaders.
Unfortunately the HRC Regressive flavor Kool Aid has been sucked down and the supply seems unending.
Ignore those bankers behind the curtain. They're not pulling any strings or calling in any favors.
6chars
(3,967 posts)The election was between Carter and Ford.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Response to magical thyme (Reply #10)
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magical thyme
(14,881 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(13,989 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)looking in.
FailureToCommunicate
(13,989 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)The 60.s well I worked for uncle Sam for 4 years but the 60's for the most part were decent except for the war.
merrily
(45,251 posts)
He was truly an American original I never knew anybody quite like him he was uncommonly kind to me and to Hillary. I always came away with the impression that he was a great patriot and a truly fine human being.
Bill Clinton, as quoted in "Goldwater Called 'Great Patriot'" at CBS News (29 May 1998)
As compared with
I am compelled to urge Negroes and all people of goodwill to vote against him. His election would be a tragedy and certainly, suicidal almost for the nation and the world.
Martin Luther King, Jr., in a video clip presented on The Rachel Maddow Show (19 October 2010)
I'm liberal up to a degree, I think everybody should be free, but if you think I'll let Barry Goldwater move in next door and marry my daughter, you must think I'm crazy. I wouldn't let him do it for all the farms in Cuba.
Bob Dylan, in I Shall Be Free"
As collected at https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)We could say this was a youthful decision. I am more interested in what the candidate did when he was 31, not a youth anymore, writing an article which he sent to a newspaper and was published about women fantasizing about being raped by three men at one time. This speaks volumes.
6chars
(3,967 posts)If she supported him 50 years ago, she can blame her youth. But if she was out supporting him while Carter was running against Ford, she has no excuse.
Not relating to Hillary, but rather to history, didn't Goldwater have a slogan something like "in your heart you know he's right?" - which I have to assume was an early dog whistle. Creepy.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Tanuki
(14,893 posts)Global Initiative conference in 2014, where he spoke about the Ten Thousand Women initiative. Is that really something you hold against her?
http://www.goldmansachs.com/citizenship/10000women/
But we can hold fracking, TPP, Her support of NAFTA, her wal mart days, her Iraq war vote, her bankruptcy bill vote, her coziness with banks and hedge funds, her Libya actions as sos , her private prison support.
TheUndecider
(93 posts)Her unwillingness to declare health care a basic right
Lunabell
(5,920 posts)She finally came around in 2013, but Bernie has always supported the community.
mike45567
(12 posts)Every argument ends when you ask if Carter is right about our government being an oligarchy.
Bernie teaches oligarchy 101 at rallies.
The blind call this irresponsible rabble rousing.
They find an economist who disputes Bernie's figures, and accuse him of lying. This in turn makes him a demagogue leading mobs of Bernie bros. that he has "radicalized".
If Jimmy Carter is correct, and I assure you he is, then we have every right to confront this monster with everything we have.
Revolutions can include a bit of conflict.
Bern the oligarchy!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,493 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)straight to Facebook
Powers Hapgood
(57 posts)"The executive of the modern State is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie."
Dem2
(8,166 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)She was interested in politics at a young age and it has carried through in her adult life. She had an early interest in women's issues and children's issues, her life's work has been for others.
Arizona Roadrunner
(168 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)and the influence he will have in her foreign policy. The man has blood on his hands.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And you know he is on her speed-dial. She's an imperialist neocon in terms of foreign policy and no amount of "Yay, Hillary" will ever wipe that fact from the record.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)WHY do you feel like you need to hide your feelings and what you were feeling like you were doing in both of these situations to the average American Hillary? What do you have to hide?
If it was a rewarding experience for you where you feel a lot of personal accomplishment from them, perhaps sharing with it might help us understand them and feel better about you and what you were thinking in both scenarios. Without an explanation and your being secret about those situations and so many other experiences and policy positions (STILL WAITING OVER EIGHT YEARS to hear if you've "evolved" on your anti-worker stance on H-1B program support, which is why you are also losing potential voters who want labor support to Trump at places like Disney who have come out and said so much).
Thom Hartmann also campaigned for Goldwater as a kid for his dad. But he's honest and tells us a lot of what he was experiencing then, and how that affected what he did later in life. Why can't you do that. It engenders trust! Trust that you so sorely need and aren't getting now.
Americans WANT to trust a Democrat this time in the face of so many they know they can't trust, or they fully trust to do the wrong things from the Republican side. You don't have much to lose by being honest with us. You won't win without people trusting you this time, and you won't get another shot at winning the White House if you don't win it this time either.
jalan48
(13,798 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)jalan48
(13,798 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)mate.
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Dem_in_Nebr.
(299 posts)Little too sexist and demeaning. Goldman "girl"?? I get it but I can't rec it.
Also I have decided I will not rec anything about Hillary, pro or con.
I stand with Bernie and Bernie doesn't do this kind of stuff so why should I?
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Goldman Sachs alum Jon S. Corzine kisses Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2007.
FailureToCommunicate
(13,989 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)oh, wait, never mind...
OkSustainAg
(203 posts)fact that a large percentage of Democratic voters are all in for corporatism. People keep believing that there almost rich. That at least they are higher up the ladder than some other poor sod. The wars just make it convenient to not have to say they really like capitalist socialism over democratic socialism. They haven't accepted the idea that our economic system (Post Gold standard) is so fluid now that all the issues could now be solved. It is about POWER and CONTROL in the hands of those up the line. Money can be made when needed. If the rich can't make the market work, the Government can give them money. Need a war the government can create the funds. But help people. No money for your needs.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)I wonder if Cruz has payed back the million dollars he owes them (if he was paid at Hillary's speaker fee, he could just give a few speeches). Nonetheless, the Repugs and so-called "liberal media" have plenty of anti-Hillary ammo without D.U. help. I prefer Bernie and will vote for him in the PA primary, but there seems to be more Hillary criticism on D.U. than criticism of Trump, Cruz (and Rubio) combined