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Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:57 PM

 

Sanders hits Clinton on gitmo despite his own similar vote

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-guantanamo-bay-gitmo/index.html
Clinton serving as Obama's secretary of state, Sanders broke with his fellow Vermont senator Patrick Leahy, a Democrat, on another Guantanamo Bay-related measure.

That vote, like the one Sanders criticized Clinton for casting, was overwhelming -- a 90-to-6 vote to block Obama's request for funds to shutter the facility in Cuba until the President laid out plans for what to do with the then-240 detainees there.

Sanders was among the 90 opponents of Obama on that measure; Leahy was among the six supporters.
Sanders' spokesman did not respond to CNN's requests for an explanation of his campaign's criticism of Clinton, or of that 2009 vote. Clinton has not attacked Sanders' record on Guantanamo Bay.

Clinton, before departing the State Department, had urged Obama to close the facility.
"I remain a strong advocate of your policy to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility (GTMO) responsibly and to ensure U.S. detention policy and practice for terrorism suspects are consistent with U.S. values and do not strengthen our enemies," Clinton wrote in the memo.


Edit: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00196

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Reply Sanders hits Clinton on gitmo despite his own similar vote (Original post)
bravenak Feb 2016 OP
Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #1
bravenak Feb 2016 #2
RiverLover Feb 2016 #16
bravenak Feb 2016 #21
AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #3
bravenak Feb 2016 #4
panader0 Feb 2016 #10
bravenak Feb 2016 #11
Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #12
bravenak Feb 2016 #14
Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #5
R B Garr Feb 2016 #6
bravenak Feb 2016 #7
beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #8
bravenak Feb 2016 #9
beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #13
bravenak Feb 2016 #20
JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #27
bravenak Feb 2016 #28
JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #29
bravenak Feb 2016 #30
TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #15
beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #17
bravenak Feb 2016 #22
beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #23
bravenak Feb 2016 #24
beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #25
bravenak Feb 2016 #26
pandr32 Feb 2016 #18
bravenak Feb 2016 #19
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #31

Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:01 PM

1. But that's different!

 

You see....Sanders is so awesome that his votes shouldn't actually count.

Viva la revolución!

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:04 PM

2. Only his IDEAS matter

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:20 PM

16. No. The difference is the Clinton camp is lying.

But that's nothing new. We're sort of getting used to it now.

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:41 PM

21. Nothing in this op is untrue

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:06 PM

3. NY Times begs to differ.

 

The Senate Votes That Divided Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html

Foreign Policy and Defense

The two disagreed most often on military and foreign policy issues, including approval of the civilian nuclear deal between the United States and India in 2008 — Mrs. Clinton was for it — and the confirmation of George W. Casey Jr. as Army chief of staff (Mrs. Clinton was against it). Mr. Sanders was among a small number of senators who voted to allow Guantánamo detainees to be transferred to American prisons, and he was against developing and deploying a defense system to stop Iranian ballistic missiles.

Vote July 19, 2007 Bar transfer of Guantanamo detainees to America Agreed to, 94-3

Sanders voted: Allow transfer of Guantanamo detainees

Clinton voted: Block transfer of Guantanamo detainees
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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:07 PM

4. The roll call votes are included in the op

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:16 PM

10. They are different votes two years apart.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:17 PM

11. What are you talking about?

 

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Response to panader0 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:18 PM

12. Indeed

 

Bernie's vote against the transfer of detainees took place more recently.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:18 PM

14. I see now. She posted about 07 when the op is about 09

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:09 PM

5. Senate Roll Call

 

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00196

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 111th Congress - 1st Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
Vote Summary
Question: On the Amendment (Inouye Amdt. No. 1133 )
Vote Number: 196 Vote Date: May 20, 2009, 11:48 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Agreed to
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1133 to H.R. 2346 (Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2009)
Statement of Purpose: To prohibit funding to transfer, release, or incarcerate detainees detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to or within the United States.

Vote Counts: YEAs 90
NAYs 6
Not Voting 3
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Begich (D-AK), Yea
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Burris (D-IL), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Not Voting
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagan (D-NC), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johanns (R-NE), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kaufman (D-DE), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Merkley (D-OR), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Risch (R-ID), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Voting
Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (D-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:09 PM

6. Just further proof that his whole platform is just to rile up angry people.

He knows he won't be held accountable by the press for this, and when they do finally ask him to clarify, he'll play victim. So phony!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:13 PM

7. Yep. I find this DISHONEST

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:14 PM

8. He had good reasons for his vote and he explained them:

Newsroom / Archives

Iraq and Afghanistan

Date Posted: 05/21/2009

The Senate on Thursday passed a $91 billion supplemental spending bill. The bulk of the spending would pay for war operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. “The bill contains $73 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without providing, to my mind, the kind of exit strategy to both conflicts that I believe we need,” Senator Bernie Sanders said. A long-time critic of the war in Iraq, Sanders also has voiced reservations about the United States becoming bogged down in Afghanistan. The fate of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, also was debated during consideration of the bill. “I agree with President Obama that Guantanamo must be shut down. I want it shut down as soon as possible. I want to make sure that torture is never again part of America’s interrogation practices and that all detainees are treated under the rules of the Geneva Conventions,” Sanders said.

“A number of important questions remain unanswered regarding the rather complicated issue of not just how you close down the facility, but what you do with the prisoners,” he added. “Are there some who should be released, are there others who should be returned to their home countries, are we confident that under Bush the correct determinations were made with respect to these prisoners’ status as ‘enemy combatants’? In order to answer these questions, President Obama has appointed a high-level committee of top administration officials who will be issuing a report in the coming months. I think that it is prudent to review that plan they develop before we spend $80 million in taxpayer money.”


https://web.archive.org/web/20090528014431/http://www.sanders.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?id=313364

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:16 PM

9. Still hypocritical

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:18 PM

13. Only according to you, his reasons make sense.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:39 PM

20. You posted about 2007

 

The OP is about 2009

Edit: my bad that was AK
you are just incorrect as to how important his explanation is to many of the rest of us

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Response to bravenak (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:04 PM

27. Well, I guess there's always a reason to dismiss a Bernie explanation as valid.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:05 PM

28. And Hillary's as well

 

No one cares why she did anything.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:08 PM

29. Well if on the balance of all things she has done she had a net positive voting record

I would consider voting for her.

She does not.

Thus I will not.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:15 PM

30. I know

 

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:19 PM

15. You know, I sat back because I knew this was just another bullshit OP. nt

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:20 PM

17. I knew someone would try to say he was a hypocrite so I was ready.

Bernie has been a strong critic of Gitmo for as long as I can remember.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:42 PM

22. He is

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:44 PM

23. For wanting to wait, no he was prudent.

Unless you can prove he didn't want to close Gitmo he's no hypocrite for waiting.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:45 PM

24. He voted no

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:46 PM

25. With good reason, or don't you do nuance? Which part do you disagree with?:

The bill contains $73 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without providing, to my mind, the kind of exit strategy to both conflicts that I believe we need,” Senator Bernie Sanders said. A long-time critic of the war in Iraq, Sanders also has voiced reservations about the United States becoming bogged down in Afghanistan. The fate of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, also was debated during consideration of the bill. “I agree with President Obama that Guantanamo must be shut down. I want it shut down as soon as possible. I want to make sure that torture is never again part of America’s interrogation practices and that all detainees are treated under the rules of the Geneva Conventions,” Sanders said.

“A number of important questions remain unanswered regarding the rather complicated issue of not just how you close down the facility, but what you do with the prisoners,” he added. “Are there some who should be released, are there others who should be returned to their home countries, are we confident that under Bush the correct determinations were made with respect to these prisoners’ status as ‘enemy combatants’? In order to answer these questions, President Obama has appointed a high-level committee of top administration officials who will be issuing a report in the coming months. I think that it is prudent to review that plan they develop before we spend $80 million in taxpayer money.”

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:49 PM

26. Him criticising her without nuance is why i disagree with you

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:29 PM

18. Hs campaign has signalled he will get tougher

You know what happens when you try to throw shit in the wind! Blow-back!

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:39 PM

19. Yep

 

Once in the melee one cannot control the other fighters

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:25 PM

31. Kick

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