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Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:52 PM

 

Bernie Who? Sanders is a phantom to black voters in South Carolina

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/02/22/bernie-who-sanders-is-a-phantom-to-black-voters-in-south-carolina.html

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Reply Bernie Who? Sanders is a phantom to black voters in South Carolina (Original post)
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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:54 PM

1. So Hillary's support is essentially just name recognition...that bodes well for the GE...lol

 

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Response to hoosierlib (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:56 PM

2. He doesnt even have that much

 

And he has only a few days...

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Response to bravenak (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:03 PM

9. No shit...we all expect a 20 point loss on Saturday...

 

And to lose GA, AL, LA and LA by the same margin...

Hence why are heavily investing pur resources in 5 states for Super Tuesday; VA, TX, CO, MA and OK...focusing on growing Latino support as the AA matters a lots less after after Super Tuesday...

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Response to hoosierlib (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:06 PM

14. Latinos vote differently than us and I see them splitting their votes.

 

'The aa matters a lot less after super tuedsay' you do realize that that is marginilizing the black population of voters when you are dismissive of our importance? This is one of our issues. It appears our votes are being replaced or being attempted to replaced by white votes or young votes.
Please remember that if the white vote is split, along with the latino vote, the black vote is what provides the margin of victory. This is how he lost Nevada and can be repeated throughout the swing states and the entire South and west.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:52 PM

75. What else do you want from Bernie in order to be swayed?

 

Seriously, what else?

The dude freaking was at the March on Washington and went to jail fighting for segregation at the University of Chicago (while HRC was campaigning for Barry Goldwater).

He was been one of the most vocal white defenders of the Civil Rights Act and proponents of Equal Pay and LGBT rights (mind you in a state with 1% AA).

He has called for the end of the for-profit prison industry (HRC has taken money from their lobbyists), the decriminalization of marijuana and freedom of prisoners who were sentenced to mandatory minimums sentences (who majority AA).

He has called out cops for protecting their own and demanded they be prosecuted.

What else does the AA community want?

Does he need to get on the Arsenio Hall show and play the sax too?

So yeah, he's done his best to get his message out (and will again tonight), but time, money and his staff are finite resources. If the AA community isn't receptive to his message and outreach efforts, then he needs to focus his efforts where they can get the biggest return for his investment.

Through the first three states, he has won the vote and potentially the Latino vote. After Super Tuesday there are only a handful of states that have a population of AA greater than 15%. Yes they are an important group, but while you can lead a horse to water, you can't make them drink if they don't want to...

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Response to hoosierlib (Reply #75)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:53 PM

76. I want him to manage his revolutionaries better

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #76)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:58 PM

83. Lol...seriously?

 

Somebody hurt your feelings or something?

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Response to hoosierlib (Reply #83)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:03 PM

86. Impossible at this point

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #86)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:05 PM

91. What's impossible?

 

Getting your feelings hurt or Bernie keeping his people in check?

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Response to hoosierlib (Reply #91)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:05 PM

92. Both

 

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Response to hoosierlib (Reply #83)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:16 PM

98. Bingo. nt

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #76)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:49 PM

113. Weak you have no valid response.

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Response to ALBliberal (Reply #113)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:01 PM

117. You do not decide for me the validity of my response

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #117)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:02 PM

119. Keep telling yourself that.

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Response to ALBliberal (Reply #119)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:06 PM

122. I will

 

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Response to hoosierlib (Reply #75)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:52 PM

114. Reply is perfect thank you hoosierlib

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Response to hoosierlib (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:08 PM

18. "the AA matters a lots less after Super Tuesday..." Wow, that pretty much sums up

Sanders' campaign. We've all noticed it, and many have had posts hidden here for expressing what they've noticed, but you've come out and confirmed it.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:12 PM

30. +1

 

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:19 PM

38. well

 

well HRC supporters have been dismissing the support for Bernie from white progressives in states like NH and Iowa etc. so what's the difference?

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Response to Roy Ellefson (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:38 PM

60. I don't care let him campaign elsewhere

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:41 PM

61. Nice that you can speak for everyone.

 

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:19 PM

40. It's a much better position than "at least I still have 'hard-working' whites and Latinos.'"

 

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:57 PM

80. Confirmed what? That through the first 3 states, HRC has won the AA vote 75% to 25%?

 

And that after Super Tuesday, only the states of Maryland, Missouri and Mississippi have populations where AA are greater than 15% of the population?

From a strategic standpoint, what I said is true and you can see it reflected in where the Sanders campaign is deploying its assets and resources (the state of TX, CO, OK, VA and MA). Go forward (i.e. after Super Tuesday), Latinos will be a much greater voting block. Hence why Ms. Huerta was attempting to create a fake scandal (yes, its bullshit) and hurt Mr. Sanders prospects. Its dirty politics at its finest.

Unlike Hillary, Bernie has finite resources (time, money and people power) that have to be allocated efficiency and effectively across the country. His margin of error is a lot smaller than Shrillary's...

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Response to hoosierlib (Reply #80)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:24 PM

99. Your words confirmed what others have noticed about the Sanders' campaign

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as it relates to minorities and just basic outreach. Your further words show how disingenuous the outreach really is. At least you have confirmed the OBVIOUS.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #99)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:42 PM

107. Yeap, this person either has enough minerals to say what SBS camp doesn't BUT has indicated through

...actions all throughout his campaign.

He knew what his polling in SC was like and didn't bother coming down and talking months before the election...

If he didn't know I don't want his dumb ass near the White House... any politico paying half ass'd attention knows about SC in the primaries

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #107)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:05 PM

120. Exactly, and people got their posts hidden for simply expressing what they observed from Sanders

campaign. Agreed about him not being near the White House if he just writes people off who don't blindly cheer for him. He's all about his applause lines, but when it takes time and effort to reach out, he's gone as soon as it doesn't favor him. He's very self-serving.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #107)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:59 AM

143. So you want Trump in white house.

Because Hillary won't win the general. People don't like her. People don't trust her.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #99)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:56 PM

115. Curious... was HRC feverishly campaigning in New Hampshire thru primary day?

I think I read where she backed off. Funny didn't here people crying that she was dissing the white vote. Don't remember that at all

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Response to ALBliberal (Reply #115)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:01 PM

116. I'm pretty sure the GOP is the party of the "white vote"....? In fact, the whole history of this

country is about the "white vote", so I'm sure you have no point.

Jury: This thread is about Sanders outreach with the AA community in SC since that's where the next primary is being held. I only brought up the "white vote" in response to the post I responded to. Thank you.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #99)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:25 AM

142. No, the thing you seem to miss is that even if he won after getting <25% of the AA vote

 

He'd still fight like hell in office to achieve the things he's campaigned on to improve AA communities. Because that's the kind of guy he is, he doesn't keep revenge dossiers or toss out his campaign promises once he gets elected. If a majority of the AA community don't feel they can trust him yet then that's really sad (but understandable), but you can be damn sure that they'll trust him after watching him in office for 4 years.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:57 PM

81. The AA *vote* matters less--for anyone--after Super Tuesday, and by that I mean...

...simply that AA-specific campaign plans are not quite the imperative in most subsequent primary states as they are for Super Tuesday, in that POC play a (relatively) smaller part in most of those primaries.

But that doesn't mean AA *concerns* are less of an issue. I think Bernie would say that he has a very AA-friendly platform and background, and will continue to have it.

Some members of the AA community may disagree, of course.

Maybe Bernie does not know how to court the AA vote any more successfully than he has. Heck, when people here have posted "well, what should he do?" queries, they don't get great answers either. It's possible there's simply nothing he can do, against the goodwill that Clinton has banked.

Some good news for Sanders is that, when members of the AA community learn about him, he is seen favorably by about the same percentage as see Hillary favorably. (See http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511149130 )
But that doesn't necessarily yield a vote. Someone who likes both of them can still only vote for one. But to the extent he can increase awareness, he should be able to pick up *some* votes... the problem is, at least when it comes to Super Tuesday, he's running out of time.

It's unfortunate that he has to look forward to contests with fewer AA to have a good shot at doing well. I'm sure that's not his preference, but it is the circumstance he is in. Not for lack of trying (IMO).

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #81)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:00 PM

85. Exactly and much more eloquently put...it's not from lack of trying...it's from lack of time...

 

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #81)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:32 PM

103. Sanders himself has had some interesting quotes as to who he is targeting for his campaign, but

people get their posts hidden for quoting Sanders himself.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #103)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:38 PM

104. Really? Well, post it in the Hillary group, it won't get hidden there unless it flatters him! (n/t)

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #104)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:41 PM

106. Ooh, only things that flatter BS are allowed anywhere on this site! U betcha.

You can't even post his own words about who he is attracting to his campaign.

But thanks for noticing.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #104)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:45 PM

110. Gets hidden there too

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #81)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:44 PM

109. People understood what you meant, you have enough minerals to say what the SBS camp doesn't

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:39 PM

105. +1

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Response to hoosierlib (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:03 PM

10. Actually, yes ... it does, should she win the Democratic nomination. eom.

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:04 PM

88. Don't go counting your chickens there chief...

 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll-219659

"Poll: 'Dishonest,' 'socialist' top word lists for Clinton, Sanders

By Nick Gass
02/23/16 06:52 AM EST

Hillary Clinton's image among all Americans is decidedly negative, while Bernie Sanders' is slightly more mixed, according to the results of a new Gallup poll released Tuesday.

When asked what comes to mind when they think of the former secretary of state, roughly one-in-five Americans — 21 percent — used the words "dishonest," "liar," "don't trust her" and "poor character." Another 9 percent said some variant of "dislike her," followed by 8 percent who said they "like her" and 7 percent who said she is "capable of being president" and "qualified." But an equal share of 7 percent called Clinton "criminal," "crooked" and said "she belongs in jail." The balance of the responses above 3 percent for Clinton reflect largely mixed public opinion, with 5 percent deeming her "experienced," and 3 percent each calling her a "good politician," "strong" and "wouldn't be good for this country." Overall, 51 percent of Americans expressed a net negative opinion of Clinton, while just 29 percent were positive and 6 percent were neutral.

The top response for Bernie Sanders, who has long professed to be a democratic socialist: "socialist" (12 percent). Responses for Sanders were not as unified in one direction as they were with his opponent, with 6 percent calling the 74-year-old Vermont senator "older" or "aged." Another 5 percent used the word "favorable," while yet another 5 percent called him a "fresh face," using the words "new ideas" and "change for the better."

Still, Americans had some fairly negative things to say about him as well — 4 percent used the words "crazy," "delusional," "idiot" or "unrealistic," while another 4 percent used the word "unfavorable."

Sanders' largely split public image is also reflected in 3 percent of those who said they liked him and other equal share of people who called him a "communist," a frequent refrain of Republican front-runner Donald Trump. Overall, 20 percent of Americans expressed a net negative opinion of Sanders, while 26 percent were positive and 32 percent were neutral.

Gallup conducted the telephone poll between Feb. 13-14, surveying 1,014 adults nationwide with an overall margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points."

Good luck winning the GE election with those numbers...

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:59 PM

3. Yep, this is a huge problem

 

Bravenak, I hope you're doing your part to let the black community know about Bernie. At the very least, people should be aware of the choices they have when it comes time to vote. It amazes me that the rest of the country, outside of the black community, has really come around to Bernie. But for some reason he's still not even known to many African Americans. What's going on?

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:02 PM

8. I do not assist Bernie

 

I do reach out for Hillary. It is up to his supporters to spread the word in a positive way. It is my job to divert their attention back to the pluses of my candidate. It is not that his name is not KNOWN. It is just that I am in my thirties and people I talk to are near my age or younger mostly. And they want to know how will he be able to get it done. I have nothing to tell them.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:06 PM

12. Well that makes me sad.

 

I may be a Bernie supporter, but if someone asks me about Hillary I do my best to talk about her strengths *and* her weaknesses. People should be able to make their decisions on their own once they gain knowledge about either candidate.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:07 PM

15. I try to say nothing because I am not impartial

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:08 PM

19. You can still at least talk about Bernie's positions on the issues

 

There's nothing wrong with that even if you disagree with them.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:10 PM

26. His positions are firm and unyielding

 

But the details are light and I am detail oriented. I am an artist and a poet. Things must be just so or not done at all.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:21 PM

44. To delve too deep is to leave yourself constrained without room to grow

 

It is my belief that Bernie is being held at a higher standard than other candidates before him. I don't know why, but people demand details to his plans without demanding the same from other candidates.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:25 PM

46. This is his first national run

 

He deserves more scrutiny as he has not been vetted nationally. His plans are much bigger and as such DEMAND more details. Big plans, big questions.

Complaining that people want to know how he plans to do his plans is really interesting. If he is serious, he should have had his bullet points laid out before he announced his run. A lack of answer and planning and organizing is his issue to overcome. We are not going to give him a pass on the detils. As this goes further, the questions will get more pointed and increase magnificently. This is the big time.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:42 PM

63. I've heard that reasoning before

 

I just don't buy it. There's a lot of candidates who are running for the first time and none of them are facing this type of scrutiny. Even Obama didn't have these types of questions lobbed at him, and if he did, people didn't seem to mind as much.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #63)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:47 PM

71. Buy it or no

 

We will vet him.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:54 PM

78. bravenak's right on this one

radical plans will require more thorough explanations, it's only natural.
Bernie has a vision, but there are many hurdles to achieving it even if Democrats win back the senate in 2016 and the house in 2022 (earliest i could imagine it happening).
the question remains, on the way to achieving Sen. Sanders' vision for America, what will the intermediate steps be like? because we might get stuck along the way, and have to live in that intermediate zone for years to come.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:47 PM

112. I strongly disagree with your analysis

One of the reasons I keep objecting to the Sanders supporters citing hypothetical match up polls is that to me it is clear that Sanders has not been fully vetted which means that these polls are worthless. No one is going to rely on these polls and change their vote. Dana Milbank has some good comments on general election match up polls https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: Opponents have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.


The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”

Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.”

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .

Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.

Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.

Sanders also made clear he would be happy to identify Democrats as the party of big government and of wealth redistribution. When Cuomo said Sanders seemed to be saying he would grow government “bigger than ever,” Sanders didn’t quarrel, saying, “P eople want to criticize me, okay,” and “F ine, if that’s the criticism, I accept it.”

Sanders accepts it, but are Democrats ready to accept ownership of socialism, massive tax increases and a dramatic expansion of government? If so, they will lose.

Match up polls are worthless because these polls do not measure what would happen to Sanders in a general election where Sanders is very vulnerable to negative ads.

Again, I really do not believe that Sanders is close to being fully vetted

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:04 PM

11. I've been calling Columbia all day they (AA) know who Bernie is

They just prefer Hillary.

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:06 PM

13. Why? n/t

 

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:10 PM

27. Because they know her and trust her.

She has dined with, went to church with, cried with ect.ect.ect She's real he just went to a black church Sunday. He gave a speech he didn't sit and dine with them.

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:14 PM

32. To be fair

 

I don't think anyone there really cared that he was there. The last thing you want to do is sit down at someone's table when they don't want you to. At least he went around and introduced himself to folks. I have to admit though, the trust thing kind of throws me a bit. The rest of the country does not trust her whatsoever. What is different about the African American community?

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:17 PM

36. you mean republicans she is the most admired woman in the World

http://www.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx

Americans again name Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama the woman and man living anywhere in the world they admire most. Both win by wide margins over the next-closest finishers, Malala Yousafzai for women and Pope Francis and Donald Trump for men.

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:23 PM

45. Through 3 Democratic primaries/caucuses

 

People who valued honesty as their top consideration when choosing candidates voted for Bernie something like 90% of the time. How do you explain that?

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:30 PM

51. look all I know is what SC voters have told me

and my own self we prefer Hillary

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #51)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:44 PM

66. And that's why I'm asking why?

 

What is going on in South Carolina and the African American community that is so different from the rest of the country that they trust Hillary?

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #66)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:47 PM

70. Nothing there have been 3 states that voted

on Super Tuesday we will know who and why better then

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:32 PM

102. they would have liked it if he sat and ate with them

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Response to JI7 (Reply #102)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:48 PM

124. Maybe, maybe not

 

It's tough to tell. Let's put it this way. If I were an undecided voter I would love it, but if I were a Hillary supporter I'd find it annoying and rude. How could he tell?

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #124)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:00 PM

126. It's a cultural thing. There are many cultures like this....

 

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:07 PM

16. Yes

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:00 PM

4. From the article:


“To many of us who have studied Clinton and his record very carefully, the kind of affection that blacks have for him and his wife is not earned,” Smith said. “He governed in a very, very Reagan-like way on issues of concern to blacks. I don’t think most black, ordinary voters are aware of that.”

And that's a shame

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Response to MgtPA (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:07 PM

17. We are aware

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:26 PM

100. Do you represent all Black people? You act like you do. Who appointed you Mayor of Black America?

"We" <<< seriously?

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:01 PM

5. Quote from article: "Sanders, a senator from America’s second-whitest state, has never before had to

build a black following."

This is a basic concept that many have been saying, and you've offered this same critique of him and have been absolutely blasted for it. Almost everything in that article is what you have been saying, brave! It was ignored at Sanders' peril.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:08 PM

20. Thank you!!!!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:15 PM

33. ....



You are a real asset here! I've found your takes very informational and most often right on track in explaining the polling trends with the AA community.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:19 PM

41. Thanks more

 

I try to keep up with the trend lines. Things usually go how I see them going. Lots of variables but it just takes creative thinking. I wish they had listened but you know, I am glad they did not. It was good for me to reduscover Hillary without thinking of Bill.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:09 PM

25. ^^^This^^^ You cannot win the Dem nomination without sizeable AA support

Just like you cannot win the Republican nomination without sizeable Evangelical support. Building coalitions is politics 101. Esp. when your entire governing philosophy hinges on amassing massive public pressure on congress to get things done.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:19 PM

37. Exactly! The CORE constituencies will not be forgotten or pushed aside!

The Democratic party is their home, and I'm sick of seeing the blatant aggressive tactics to marginalize us/them because some lifelong politician decided in May '15 to finally run for President. Enough is enough!

Great post, yavin. "Building coalitions is politics 101" yes!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:35 PM

58. And decide to even be a Democrat on May 15th

Bernie has been in politics for decades now, and only one prominent AA elected official stood up for him.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:20 PM

43. nor can you win the Dem nomination without sizable white progressive support

 

nor can you win the Dem nomination without sizable white progressive support

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:01 PM

6. Great headline!

This helps to explain a lot. (I'll say no more for obvious reasons...)




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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:08 PM

23. I know! This message has been....

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:01 PM

7. It doesn't sound like they were even willing to give him a listen.

 

So it makes perfect sense to move on and allocate resources to audiences willing to hear him out.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:09 PM

24. Why should they if he has only come recently?

 

She has been there many times to SC

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Response to bravenak (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:49 PM

73. Maybe they could learn more about him.

You know, by listening and learning.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #73)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:58 AM

141. I don't think Sanders is being ignored, he has the stage now with Mrs. Clinton.

His problem is he has said the same things for decades and was not really noticed by 'the people' and pretty much ignored by his Gov. peers.

He's a good person and it's important for Mrs. Clinton to note what resonates with his supporters. I think she listens & learns a lot from Sanders, and this will only make her a better President. And him a better Senator.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:08 PM

21. So they are being portrayed as low info voters?

Seems like a condescending headline.

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Response to dogman (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:11 PM

28. It is how we say, "we don't KNOW HIM like that.'

 

They heard his name. But he is not a part of the fabric of their lives. She is. We KNOW her. She NEVER EVER EVER goes AWAY!!!!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:16 PM

34. What has she done for them/you that is part of the fabric of your lives?

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Response to dogman (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:17 PM

35. Shown up

 

He has not done even that much.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:19 PM

39. Seems like a phantom answer.

I figured it wasn't all that, thanks anyway.

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Response to dogman (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:51 PM

74. ...

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Response to bravenak (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:46 PM

111. She is certainly a part of the fabric of the lives of 1 million incarcerated black folks

I'll agree with that.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #111)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:01 PM

118. As is the Senator from Vermont who voted yes on the 92 omnibus crime bill

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #118)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:06 PM

121. Lol

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:08 PM

22. As opposed to Hillary who is well known

And the more people know about the real Hillary, the less they like her.

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:11 PM

29. The more I know the more I stop hating her

 

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:14 PM

31. nope not true at all

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:29 PM

50. No, I still like her!

More this year than in 2008. She is more experienced now and running a better campaign. I gave Sanders a shot, but he didn't grow on me at all. 5000% better than the GOP, but he is not my first choice.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:53 PM

134. You talk about candidates for office like

they're toasters, or flavors of ice cream.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #134)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:00 PM

136. No, I replied to a silly, fact free opinion.

"And the more people know about the real Hillary, the less they like her." With an opinion of my own. I like her.

What's your problem? You wanna know why? I can tell you. Or is this a hit and run bern?

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #136)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:53 PM

137. No hit and run.

I have to agree that the truth does not wear well on her; her campaign is proving to be dishonest and nasty. Why, though, do you like her?

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:20 PM

42. Or even worse...

One of my young AA co-workers was for Bernie 2 weeks ago. He came up to me today and said he had switched to Hillary. He's 18, a work study student and it's his first time voting. (awwww) I asked him why he changed his mind. He said that after looking into it, he just didn't believe the bit about free tuition. It just made him start questioning everything Sanders was saying. (this is in Birmingham)

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Response to Skid Rogue (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:26 PM

48. Lots of folks are questioning his plans

 

In part because of the anger when asked about details, it makes us curious and want the answers even more.

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Response to Skid Rogue (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:41 PM

62. I've also had that conversation about a dozen times over the last two weeks....

Once people realize Bernie's campaign is based on "quid pro quo", around the idea that if they vote for Bernie they will be rewarded with free benefits, they stop listening. I've talked to quite a few folks who acknowledged that they "just aren't that gullible." Sanders' ideas just aren't backed up by his public policy proposals. Unfunded higher education programs which rely on flawed tobin tax programs that reduce overall tax revenue just don't make sense. Bernie just doesn't have the economic chops to bring viable plans forward. Reading Bernie's plans feels like reading a law that requires you to take a toothache to a mechanic. You just end up bewildered with oily teeth.

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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #62)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:12 PM

95. lol, and you're right.

And down south, African Americans and Caucasian liberals are very skeptical of false promises. We need a lot more than pretty words to make us believers. With that in mind, I'm not sure if getting to know Bernie and his platform would help his numbers that much. It certainly hasn't with the people I know.

A socialist utopia seems much more possible standing in the middle of New Hampshire, than it does in the land of Roy Moore.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:25 PM

47. Perhaps those people should actually pay attention to what's going on.

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:26 PM

49. Black voters are paying attention

 

To Hillary

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Response to bravenak (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:37 PM

59. Sounds like from the article they are ignorant of the candidates.

There's no excuse not to know about 2 candidates this close to the election.

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:57 PM

79. ....

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #79)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:00 PM

84. Read the article, do they sound like they are paying attention?

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #84)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:03 PM

87. yes and I have personally spoke to voters in SC

they aren't ignorant at all guess Bernie shouldn't have implied our kids were hangin out on the corner. He may have meant something else but they took it as an insult.

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #87)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:05 PM

90. I am just responding to the article.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:02 AM

144. Great then they know she's going lose in the general right?

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:30 PM

52. most black people i have talked to like Sanders

But they still support Clinton for president.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #52)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:32 PM

55. Me too

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:31 PM

53. But but Dr West....killer mike....

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:33 PM

56. Oh my!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #56)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:45 PM

68. Yeah, keep yukking it up for a candidate who isn't going to do jackshit for black America

 

besides pandering around election time.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #68)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:46 PM

69. I will, thanks.

 

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Response to Chakab (Reply #68)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:53 PM

77. Yeah must be that Stockholm thing

 

Bernie fans are so fond of eh?

Can't imagine why Bernie gets no traction with PoC

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #77)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:58 PM

82. I'm black, so stick the "racist Berbiebro" bullshit where the sun doesn't shine.

 

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Response to Chakab (Reply #82)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:04 PM

89. No worries

 

Maybe you will feel better next Saturday when Hillary takes Bernie to the woodshed in SC

I know I will

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #89)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:12 PM

96. +1

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #89)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:08 AM

145. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Trump

She can't win the general.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:32 PM

54. Once black voters find out Hillary was a Goldwater Girl, that will change.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #54)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:33 PM

57. Oh god

 

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Response to zappaman (Reply #54)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:45 PM

67. Oh noes why didn't anybody tell me?

I already voted for Hillary early. This is earth shattering. Woe is me.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:44 PM

65. Gee. He must be a phanton everywhere.

No one seems to know anything about him.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #65)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:07 PM

93. Sad

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 07:48 PM

72. That was all like yesterday's news-today WAKE UP SOUTH CAROLINA-Spike Lee

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #72)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:08 PM

94. Funny how everybody he gets WAS relevant 20 years aho

 

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #72)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:28 PM

101. He said...

"Do the right thing" if that doesn't stir the soul of Black America nothing will!!!

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:15 PM

97. K&R

You find very interesting stuff.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:42 PM

108. Regardless of who you support in the primary this is sad. Speaks ill for

The general lack of civics education in our country.

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Response to ALBliberal (Reply #108)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:27 PM

132. Of course. They must need education because he is in all of our school books.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #132)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:56 PM

135. Civics doesn't have to be from a school book. This is a current event. But I was actually thinking

More of the general state our citizenry finds itself in a situation where a large section of voters in SC is unaware of who the remaining candidate is that's opposing HRC. I think it's unfortunate esp. when their primary is days away.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 09:07 PM

123. I'm glad he's getting the recognition he deserves.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #123)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:21 PM

129. Me too

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:04 PM

127. Happy, are you? Totally fair contest.

 

It couldn't be because of the relative money and media coverage that millions still don't even know who he is? Oh no! This is a totally deserved victory for the people's choice.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #127)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:06 PM

128. I do not understand this complaint

 

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #127)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:40 PM

133. It is a fair contest.

Hillary will win SC and the SEC handily. Did you think that it was unfair that Sanders won NH by such a large margin? I don't, people came out and voted for him. That's politics. Why should large numbers of AA feel any loyalty for Sanders? They didn't even know his name until a few months ago.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:22 PM

130. So sad to see this.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #130)

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 10:27 PM

131. I know.

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:46 AM

138. Good. As it should be.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:17 AM

146. I noticed you didn't post a snip from the article so here's the 4 paragraphs

Bernie Sanders has eight days to win the hearts of black voters in the Deep South. Before he can do that, he has to prove to them that he exists.

“I just heard about him a couple weeks ago,” said church deacon Harry Cheeseboro, 63, on his way to services Sunday morning in the South Carolina city of Orangeburg.

“I didn’t know a thing about him until now,” said grocery store manager Terrance Davis, 39, as he sat in a barbershop in Columbia.

“I don’t know much about Bernie,” said Millicent Middleton, 51, in her airport shuttle in North Charleston.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/02/22/bernie-who-sanders-is-a-phantom-to-black-voters-in-south-carolina.html

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