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Related: About this forumBernie Sanders's revolution is not showing up
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2016/0222/Bernie-Sanders-s-revolution-is-not-showing-upResponse to bravenak (Original post)
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:46 PM - Edit history (1)
Within a few months, starting in single-digits nationally, Bernie has virtually tied one,
won one, and narrowly lost one by 6%.
Nope. No revolution here.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It always gets in the way......
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)loss is still a tie too.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Didn't Romney beat Obama? He was down less than 6.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,766 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)And the downturn in voting is hardly just Bernie's responsibility.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)supporters' and their "We're Ready for Hillary" and an even bigger than who can or can't get a minority vote.
oasis
(49,338 posts)with just a dollop more of that.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)oasis
(49,338 posts)Where were your guys.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Such as Clinton supporters participating in the caucuses without registering, etc., etc.
Funny how it appears Clinton people are actually doing what they accused Obama of in 2008 in the caucuses.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Where was the revolution when it was needed?
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I know what's coming starting this Saturday.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)You think Sanders has a chance? Great. Thing is he himself has said to effect change he will need an army of millions. Where are they?
basselope
(2,565 posts)Battling dark money and the DNC and right now tied in delegates and ahead in the popular vote.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)No economic reform, little if any environmental reform, continued international aggression. Assuming she can beat Trump, which, well, right now looks like it might be difficult.
Oh well, I guess we are stuck with the status quo - amazing that so many people here are enthused by that.
Bryant
bravenak
(34,648 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)because she doesn't really want to.
And that's the way things go.
Bryant
bravenak
(34,648 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Are you unfamiliar with this? Among other things, they made it very clear that they were on white people's side, that they weren't going to be aggressive on racial issues - and of course they weren't. They committed to mass incarceration of black people and they "reformed" welfare. And they were very successful; giving them and their allies control over the Democratic party. In such a context it's not surprising that Sanders hasn't been able to move the needle very much.
This year is different though; the liberal elements of the party are waking up and challenging the status quo - I gather you think it would be better if Hillary Clinton had been able to run unopposed, given your complete disdain for Sanders and his supporters, but if she sounds like a liberal right now it's only because she's had to face a principled opponent who is arguing for actual left wing policies, instead of the watered down liberalism of the Clintons.
Bryant
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Has no history of significant legislation, no track record of achieving congressional accord, not a big enough coalition. Who will back his agenda in Congress? Nobody knows.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)That's very uplifting. I can see why you are so gung ho to support Clinton.
Bryant
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's not like he's Jill Stein! For her? I'd jump right on the bandwagon if she became a Dem. Not for him.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)The argument you are making now is that Clinton is more powerful politically (because she's moved to the left and cozied up to the monied interests) and so is more likely to get her agenda passed.
Bryant
bravenak
(34,648 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Lots of people are good at politics. Many republicans for example. Doesn't mean they are worth supporting.
Bryant
bravenak
(34,648 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)bravenak
bravenak
(34,648 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I hope
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)for POC passed by anyone since 1960, and you have not answered my question but continue to single out Sanders for not having any legislation. I would be interested in seeing Sec. Clinton's track record for civil rights legislation.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Nothing else matters. Nothing at all. Death penalty? Harumph! TPP? Haha! Pipeline? Let's talk! Wall Street? Shhh! (look the other way!) Higher education for everyone? I got mine! My kid got hers! My granddaughter? They'll be naming schools AFTER her! We're the Clintons!
panader0
(25,816 posts)It's been downHill ever since while Bernie's trajectory is climbing.
"Revolution is about the need to re-evolve political, economic and social justice and power back into the hands of the people, preferably through legislation and policies that make human sense. That's what revolution is about. Revolution is not about shootouts."
Bobby Seale
Bobby Seale was a Black Panther
bravenak
(34,648 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Was a real revolutionary.
He didn't play one on reddit or the pre Internet version whatever that might have been.
panader0
(25,816 posts)He seems to be describing what Bernie is trying to do.
Nanjeanne
(4,915 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,915 posts)Let's see what happens after a lot of people get a chance to vote in primaries.
Sanders may very well not be able to make it out of Super Tuesday. Or he may. Texas may be the big cheese in terms of delegates. Lots of time to see what happens.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,915 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Get out of bed, off of reddit on the mac book and go vote.
Uh...I saw lots of yard signs for Bernie so...yeah I'm kinda busy.....
But hey I'll vote in this online poll a 100 times to make up for it! Go Bernie!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Can I please have some money to send to act blue??? And buy honey smacks!!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)From Goldman Sachs, they better hurry up!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)and pay the bills might be too exhausted to be in the front lines. But if you are stupid enough to believe they aren't paying attention and are indifferent, the mistake is yours.
It might not be this election cycle, but I believe the shit will hit the fan in the not too distant future.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)and we'll all find out.
History seems to indicate it'll be where and when it's least expected.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)A fine representative for HRC.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)When those with more money talk down to me about me disdaining myself I get confused.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)I think I should be righteously angry, but I can't figure out what your sentence meant.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And those with money sneer at me for my choices from their comfortable keeps and castles and chateaus
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)And I hope sincerely that HRC will protect your interests if elected, as I am confident Bernie Sanders will protect mine, if elected!
basselope
(2,565 posts)(Ie, Not Hillary)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)I think you are going find that out if god forbid Clinton gets the nomination and you are wondering how we ended up with President Trump.
Why didn't they vote for her?
WHY???
bravenak
(34,648 posts)One must do x in order to do y. If one does not want to do y, one can do nothing at all
basselope
(2,565 posts)One does not HAVE TO vote in a caucus (x) to vote in a general election (y).
So sorry this isn't working out for you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Your sigline is hilarious!
basselope
(2,565 posts)You are unable to get it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It distracts me from the text
basselope
(2,565 posts)Guess that explains a lot.
basselope
(2,565 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,766 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)The don't give do-overs in the primaries.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They have voted in online after online poll and you have the nerve to say they didn't show up.
One camp is redefining every aspect of politics this cycle. It's now time to redefine enthusiasm.
I so wish one of our current candidates brought out the enthusiasm, extreme ground game, and flat out brilliance of the Obama campaign. I figure Clinton has two and a half out of the three.
Happy Monday bravenak!!!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Happy monday!
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)MelissaB
(16,420 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Timeless and unchanging
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)versus Clinton in 2008.
Not showing up?
Thanks for your concern for democracy.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)will want to store your happy feelings in a special place to comfort you when that happens.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)oasis
(49,338 posts)is too much at stake for THEM.
People who have romanticized notions of revolution are not as motivated.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)and don't believe in fantasies
oasis
(49,338 posts)pie in sky vision? The lure of free stuff is always a surefire attention getter and it'll fill up a stadium here and there. So will national prayer crusades which promise first class seats inside the pearly gates.
In each case, enthusiastic crowds gather, already predisposed to be mesmerized by the sermon. Results vary as to the lasting impact of the preacher's message after the faithful return to their everyday routine.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cool
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Seems like they're not mentioned here as much as they used to be. (Or maybe I just have all the right people on ignore, and I never see them any more.)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,766 posts)Much less vote.
Autumn
(44,986 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)RCP Average 2/10 - 2/17 -- -- Clinton 47.6 Sanders 42.0
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Delegates matter. Ask Obama how clinton lost but got more votes in 08
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)you can't argue that there is no revolution, and the superdelegates won't go against that kind of popular support.
People keep claiming that Bernie has reached a ceiling....and keep writing him off. But as he keeps travelling from state to state, more and more people are connecting.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)That's the confusing part. They have a lot at stake.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We only had pagers and big ass phones when i was that age. They are BUSY
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Maybe not twitter, but there should be a secure website a voter can log into to cast their ballots.
And it should be mobile-friendly.