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Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:14 PM

 

Young voters failing Sanders, just as they've failed so many before

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/22/younger-votes-didnt-come-through-for-bernie-sanders-because-they-almost-never-do/

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Reply Young voters failing Sanders, just as they've failed so many before (Original post)
bravenak Feb 2016 OP
dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #1
bravenak Feb 2016 #2
dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #15
bravenak Feb 2016 #24
workinclasszero Feb 2016 #6
dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #17
workinclasszero Feb 2016 #19
dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #23
Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #3
bravenak Feb 2016 #8
workinclasszero Feb 2016 #4
bravenak Feb 2016 #5
workinclasszero Feb 2016 #16
bravenak Feb 2016 #25
workinclasszero Feb 2016 #31
bravenak Feb 2016 #32
workinclasszero Feb 2016 #34
joshcryer Feb 2016 #27
workinclasszero Feb 2016 #33
cali Feb 2016 #7
bravenak Feb 2016 #10
cali Feb 2016 #12
bravenak Feb 2016 #13
Armstead Feb 2016 #9
bravenak Feb 2016 #11
Matariki Feb 2016 #14
hack89 Feb 2016 #18
bravenak Feb 2016 #20
Matariki Feb 2016 #21
hack89 Feb 2016 #22
MariaThinks Feb 2016 #26
bravenak Feb 2016 #29
hack89 Feb 2016 #40
Frustratedlady Feb 2016 #28
bravenak Feb 2016 #30
Frustratedlady Feb 2016 #45
bravenak Feb 2016 #46
yodermon Feb 2016 #47
Frustratedlady Feb 2016 #48
angrychair Feb 2016 #35
bravenak Feb 2016 #36
angrychair Feb 2016 #41
bravenak Feb 2016 #42
angrychair Feb 2016 #43
bravenak Feb 2016 #44
Marr Feb 2016 #37
bravenak Feb 2016 #38
Marr Feb 2016 #39

Response to bravenak (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:19 PM

1. 5% higher youth vote in Nev than 2008

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Response to dragonfly301 (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:20 PM

2. Not enough to overcome the black vote

 

Black millennials lean Clinton. I am one.

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Response to dragonfly301 (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:39 PM

24. And she beat him by five

 

Thank you AAs in NV!!! I love you my brothas and sistahs!!!

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Response to dragonfly301 (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:24 PM

6. Was that bigger than when Obama ran?

 

I bet not.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:31 PM

17. From the article I linked

On Saturday young people made up 18 percent of voters in Nevada’s Democratic caucus, five percentage points more than in 2008. Mr. Sanders again drew more than eight in 10 of these voters. Mrs. Clinton won Nevada with 52.7 percent, besting Mr. Sanders by 5.5 percentage points. But young people were largely responsible for closing what just a month ago had been a more than 20-point lead for her.

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Response to dragonfly301 (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:33 PM

19. Pretty sure they underperformed the Obama wave

 

But I'm at work can't look it up for you sorry.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:38 PM

23. you don't have to look further on my acct

I'll go with the data that i've quoted

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:22 PM

3. "Hillary Clinton won Nevada in large part because of her overwhelming support from black voters."

Young voters are failing Bernie Sanders, just as they’ve failed so many before
"She won Iowa because older voters turned out more than they did in 2008 and because younger voters turned out less. What's more, there's not much evidence that Sanders's younger voters are more motivated to turn out for him than are Clinton's older ones.

This is why campaigns that need younger voters in order to win often don't. Younger voters -- who move more often, work weirder hours and aren't in the habit of voting -- simply don't vote as much. Which, Bernie Sanders said, is why Hillary Clinton beat him on Saturday."

It appears that President Obama did better with the youth vote than Sanders.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:25 PM

8. I think so too

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:23 PM

4. Anyone who counts on young folks

 

To carry them to victory is done before they start.

The facts are all out there. I Googled it why didn't Bernie?

Then when it was clear that the "revolution" was a bust that was the final nail in the coffin

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:24 PM

5. A classic tactical error imo

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:29 PM

16. Yup.

 

Look at all the magical thinking that's rampant around here.
Bernie winning all the online BS polls and the big rallies!

It's been proven time and again that that means nothing!

Hillary is gonna take this nomination from Bernie like taking candy from a baby!

Reality and science and history win again!

Go figure! Lolz

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:40 PM

25. It makes me feel punch drunk

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:48 PM

31. It has been crazy around here for a long time

 

I always thought liberal democrats were reality based and respected science mostly.

But then the Bernie revolution rolled into town with its bigtop magic circus and we were off to the races lol

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:51 PM

32. Down the rabbit hole we go

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:53 PM

34. You got it!

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:43 PM

27. They are going to be running the country.

There is no harm in attempting it.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:52 PM

33. No and obviously they need to be encouraged

 

To participate always but still..

Don't even base your whole campaign on them, it's risky as hell.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:24 PM

7. Bull, of course. They've made him financially competitive with your candidate

 

corrupt big dark money Hillary.

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Response to cali (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:25 PM

10. Whatever Cali

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:27 PM

12. Lol, bravenak.

 

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:27 PM

13. Whatevsz

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:25 PM

9. So now we hate young people?...Okay. There's not many bridges left to burn in this primary

 

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Response to Armstead (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:26 PM

11. I see no hate

 

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Response to Armstead (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:27 PM

14. Yep. They all just want unicorns and free stuff

Nothing to do with not wanting to start adult life burdened with a shit ton of non-dischargeable debt. Not at all. Debt that Clinton says they can pay off in a meer 15 years*.

* - In 15 years IF they can find a job that pays more than minimum wage

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Response to Matariki (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:33 PM

18. If they don't show up to vote than things will not change

it is not complicated. Bernie was foolish to think that he was going to motivate young voters to turn out in the numbers that he needs to win. When your campaign is predicated on doing something that has never been done before than you have to at least be honest about how hard a task there is ahead of you.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:34 PM

20. Plus one

 

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Response to hack89 (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:35 PM

21. Caucuses are intimidating to first time voters

talk after super tuesday.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:37 PM

22. Looking at all the Super Tuesday state polls makes one thing very clear

Bernie is going to have a very bad day. There are simply not enough young progressives to help him overcoming his deficit with black voters.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:41 PM

26. if only they were older. oh - then they would be wiser and vote for hillary.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:46 PM

29. I just want them to vote

 

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:35 PM

40. No - they would actually vote. nt

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:44 PM

28. I had a long conversation with my grandson about Sanders...

He really wants to support Sanders, but he is afraid that if he wins, Congress will not work with him and we'll have another Obama situation of obstruction. I agree that is a good possibility, but I strongly feel that if the public gets pissed off enough to flood the voting booths, it will finally scare the Congresscritters to straighten up and fly right. SO, if you want Sanders to win, I told him, get your friends out to vote in November and let's get back on track with this country.

The last thing we (or, they) need is a Repubican White House.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 05:47 PM

30. They need to self organize

 

And vote!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:05 PM

45. Remember, a lot of these young people are working their butts off to pay college debt...

My grandson, for one, works second shift and works some hours during the day on construction, so he doesn't have time to socialize, let alone get a bunch of like-minded young people to join anything. He is trying to double his college debt payment to get out from under it asap. Maybe closer to November.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #45)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:06 PM

46. I know its hard

 

Im doing school and my kids and working where I can, but the only way is to organize.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:07 PM

47. And Congress WILL work with Hillary Clinton??? Why to people think this?

(not you)

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Response to yodermon (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:46 PM

48. I would imagine that a lot of congresscritters have a background Hillary knows about...

She can call in her chits. I think that's how many of them are controlled to do what they are told.

Just a wild guess on my part.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:21 PM

35. Out damn spot

This is, literally, the second post from an HRC supporter on this line of attack today. Is this some sort of coordinated psy-ops?

Same reply from me is sufficient:
Hope that strategy of belittling young voters and telling women they are going to H-E-double hockey sticks if they don't vote for your candidate and calling Bernie supporters unicorn fart sniffers will work for you if your candidate makes it to the General Election and attempts to win with negative likeability and trustworthiness numbers.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:22 PM

36. I am a millennial

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:41 PM

41. I'm Gen X

I feel like we've managed to disagree without being disagreeable (as much as anybody can in a primary).

This is all about how you slice the pie. While some numbers for youth vote may be down in contrast to 2008, they are higher taken in comparison to other years.
New Hampshire is a good example. While total number of voters in this 2016 Democratic primary was off compared to 2008 (a record by the way), it was higher than any other year in state history. Secondly, despite being off from 2008 total voters, Sanders managed to get more votes as a candidate than any other primary candidate, R or D, in New Hampshire primary history.

Call me foolish if you want, I have a little more faith in your generation than you do....Your to young to be this cynical

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Response to angrychair (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:43 PM

42. Well, I attend the university

 

Do not count on them please. I keep trying to ask about voting but it seems that most do not care.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:54 PM

43. Your in Alaska right?

Alaska has always been it's own deal. Enough so that I would never use it as a measuring stick on the rest of the nation.
Look my friend, you have keen mind and sincerely held beliefs, no matter what voting is important. You know that, I hope your follow millennials know it too.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 07:00 PM

44. I know but my sister works at a university in cali

 

Same deal there.
I hop they do vote no matter who for. I still try. Regardless.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:26 PM

37. Well, it's much easier to appeal to the establishment.

 

Sanders has earned a lot more votes than Clinton to this point. Her only 'advantage' is that she's plugged into the party and business establishment.

So these young voters the writer says have 'failed' Sanders have done much more, and much better, than Clinton's supporters. They have a big mountain to climb, while HRC's campaign is Wall Street funded and coddled by the party.

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Response to Marr (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:29 PM

38. Well he should have started out by inviting a diverse group of us to his revolution

 

Then we might have not felt like afterthoughts

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Response to bravenak (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:30 PM

39. Welcome back to Non-Sequitur Theater!

 

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