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Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:07 PM

Emails show HRC Aides Celebrating F-15 Sales as "Good News"

The planes, made by Boeing, have been implicated in the bombing of three Doctors Without Borders (Médicins Sans Frontieres, or MSF) facilities. The U.N. Secretary General has decried “intense airstrikes in residential areas and on civilian buildings in Sana’a, including the Chamber of Commerce, a wedding hall and a centre for the blind,” and has warned that reports of cluster bombs being used in populated areas “may amount to a war crime due to their indiscriminate nature.”

Bombs dropped by fighter jets are pulverizing Yemen’s architectural history, possibly in violation of international humanitarian law.

A few years earlier, as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton made weapons transfer to the Saudi government a “top priority,” according to her closest military aide.

And now, newly released emails show that her aides kept her well-informed of the approval process for a 2011 sale worth $29.4 billion to Boeing of up to 84 advanced F-15SA fighters, along with upgrades to the Saudi’s pre-existing fleet of 70 F-15 aircraft, and munitions, spare parts, training, maintenance, and logistics.

The deal was finalized on Christmas Eve 2011. Afterwards, Jake Sullivan, then Clinton’s deputy chief of staff and now a senior policy adviser on her presidential campaign, sent her a celebratory e-mail string topped with the chipper message: “FYI – good news.”


Source: https://theintercept.com/2016/02/22/saudi-christmas-present/

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Response to stopbush (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:15 PM

2. One of two things I'll fault Bernie for.

The F35 is a waste of money.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:51 PM

16. Actually, there was three things.

The first, being the F35. I'm Air Force, and it's honestly galling that so many of our leaders support a failed swiss-army-knife of a project, especially when the A-10 is easily the best CAS frame we have.

The second is PoC outreach; which admittedly I'm not sure how to solve. While I support the man, at some point, raving and frothing about his civil rights record from 50 years ago gets old; what's he been doing in the meantime.

The third is the nuclear mess he got into in Vermont; but I still need to do more research on that before I come to a hard and fast decision on it.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:18 PM

3. Did he sell any of them to foreign countries so they could bomb the hell out of people?

That's right. The answer is no.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:21 PM

5. Better yet...

He didn't reward any of these unsavory characters with arms for donating to his foundation, either.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:44 PM

13. From reading this article Sanders did us a favor by voting for it.

If they don't fly, it can't be sold to a foreign country and used to bomb the hell out of people.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:50 PM

15. Well, are you tired of your tax payer $$s going for worthless defense equipment yet?

Just think what that money could do for our infrastructure and the jobs rebuilding that infrastructure would provide.

I guess it's better to enrich the military industrial complex than to make this country and it's people truly great.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:09 PM

18. Lockheed Martin in Vermont: Senator Bernie Sanders’ Corporate Conundrum

By 2011, Sanders was also supporting the Pentagon’s proposal to base Lockheed-built F-35 fight jets at the Burlington International Airport. Despite his past criticisms of the corporation’s serial misconduct and excess, he joined with Vermont’s most enthusiastic booster, Senator Patrick Leahy, signing on to a joint statement of support. If the fighter jet, widely considered a massive military boondoggle, was going to be built and deployed anyway, Sanders argued that some of the work ought to done by Vermonters, while Vermont National Guard jobs should certainly be protected. Noise impacts and neighborhood dislocation were minimized, while criticism of corporate exploitation had given way to pork barrel politics and a justification based on protecting military jobs.

Still, his position hadn’t changed that much. Sandia’s nuclear associations were never a major obstacle; Sanders had once been pro-nuclear power, and his criticisms were restrained. His stalwart alliance with labor had always outweighed his skepticism about military spending. And his corporate criticism, which focused on fairness and inequality, rarely prevented him from making an alliance that furthered “bold” initiatives or burnished his record of leadership.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/lockheed-martin-in-vermont-senator-bernie-sanders-corporate-conundrum/5452106

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:41 PM

12. The F-35 is a multi-national program that includes Israel and Turkey

what are the odds that those planes will be used to "bomb the hell out of people"?

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Response to stopbush (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:32 PM

8. How many F-35s did he sell to Saudi Arabia?

Zero.

How many F-35s are bombing MSF hospitals in Yemen?

Zero.

Hrm...wonder if there's a difference.....

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Response to jkbRN (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:20 PM

4. Cough - war hawk - cough

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Response to jkbRN (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:38 PM

9. Do you know what being a SOS entails?

Part of the job is to promote American businesses abroad. If Boeing hadn't sold them these planes someone else would have and a U.S. company would have lost the deal.

A SOS implements the policies of the president. Take it up with him.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:21 PM

19. Giving favors to UBS and funneling money to your foundation as payoff?

 

Just asking .

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