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Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:00 AM

The most disheartening aspect of Dolores Huerta's false allegations--THE HATE.

The video shows that Dolores Hureta did not hear Sander's supporters yelling, "English Only!" as she stated. You don't hear it on the video and now she's walking back her allegations-- that multiple witnesses in that caucus room have refuted.

Not only did Huerta lie--she took to Twitter to widely disseminate these lies that she knew would seriously damage Senator Sanders, his campaign and his supporters--with their friends in the Hispanic community.

Dolores Huerta sent out her tweet at 5:18 p.m., when it was evident that Clinton won; and after the caucus data clearly showed that Sanders had won Hispanic supporters by 9 percent.

This was a deliberate attempt to unravel the progress that Sanders has made with the Latino community.

I suspect that this was a dirty hit, purposely elevated to social media to inflict the greatest damage.

What is disturbing, is that Clinton won! Instead of celebrating and being joyous--this campaign immediately parlayed the win into a tool for bloodying Sanders--by lying about his supporters and fomenting hate for them.

It is evident that Hillary Clinton and her supporters HATE Bernie Sanders supporters. They detest us. Winning is not enough. They want us destroyed. They'll lie to do it. They'll use esteemed civil-rights icons to do it. Whatever it takes.

In my opinion, if Clinton wins this nomination--Progressives are screwed. We've been dismissed and ignored in the past--but now I feel hate and disdain being lobbed toward Sanders supporters.

Clinton doesn't seem satisfied with a win; her campaign and surrogates want us politically eviscerated, viewed as trash and beaten back until we're reduced to nothing.

That's how I feel. And it's highly disturbing to me.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:02 AM

1. This is how third/fourth parties are eventually birthed.

 

I may even be the natural evolution of political parties.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:38 AM

129. Might be.

For all that talk of embracing minorities, she and her supporters are doing a great job of attacking and marginalizing progressives... one of the few groups that actually do embrace and support minorities... even when it's not politically convenient.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #129)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:07 AM

158. minorities are just more tools to achieve her goals. I don't think she

can actually work empathy up for anyone. She has none. And anyone who can cheat or lie for someone deserves the wrath that follows. You can't lose your integrity without casting it away yourself. No one made her do this. This is who she is.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #158)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:49 AM

185. A Saint Huerta would have found common ground and resolved the situation rationally.

 

A Saint Huerta would have never tweeted what seems to be a lie.

But Dolores Huerta is just a fine woman who made a mistake.

To many there she was just another Clinton supporter - not a saint or a god or just a fine lady - what people saw was a Clinton supporter - serving as an "unbiased speaker"

nothing evil - nothing personal - simple balance was asked for

The issue would have ended there if a terrible thing did not follow

She tweeted a lie and has now taken it back
A fine lady would take the next step and work to resolve this situation well.

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Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #185)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:54 AM

186. Some people give passes to others for what they would never

do for anyone else. It is wearying. I have no hope that this will be anymore resolved than any of the many others. I do however hold her responsible for her behavior which was calculated for maximum impact.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #186)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:04 AM

187. In those recording did you hear anyone yell...

 

"I am a Sander supporter I want English only"

We will never know what really happened unless she tell the truth.

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Response to SoLeftIAmRight (Reply #185)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:33 PM

254. before this I didn't know who Dolores Huerta was

and apparently she had an esteemed progressive history. Now she has added her name to the Lewis, Steinem and Albright list of Clinton casualties.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:11 PM

259. Can ANYONE please tell me exactly what ANY Clinton has done dor PoC?



*Mass incarcerations

*Private Prisons disproportionately occupied by PoC

*Failed and racially biased "War on Drugs"

*Draconian mandatory prison sentences for non-violent offenders

*NAFTA which HURT the loeer SES

SO WHAT has any Clinton done for PoC?

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:24 PM

274. It's time for that birth. nt

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:02 AM

2. I guess your mad at the Latino community?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:04 AM

3. Both MoveOn and the Sanders campaign have denounced this behavior

It did happen, and calling a civil rights icon a "liar" is a terrible thing to behold

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:06 AM

9. The video clearly shows that what she asserted didn't happen.

Did you watch the video?

I watched it, anticipating that I would cringe at hearing those words, "English only!"

Those words are not on that video.

And you know it.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:08 AM

17. So something that is not on a video didn't happen?

Delores has no reason to lie about anything. If she said she heard something, I believe her.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:13 AM

27. You mean like how John Lewis didn't mean to down play Sander's activism?

He back peddled on those remarks too!

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:15 AM

32. Why not watch the video then -

and have your preconceived belief confirmed?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:17 AM

44. Maybe she does have a reason to lie.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

Page 34 at the top. The Clinton Foundation gave the Huerta Foundation $100,000 in 2010.

I have much respect and admiration for the work she has done over the decades. I don't blame her for taking the money. I'm sure it went to very good use helping the people who need help. But it is also a pressure point, and it doesn't take a great leap to think the Clintons called in a favor.

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Response to Beowulf (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:22 AM

57. So Dolores lied because she got some charity money to help her people?

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #57)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:29 AM

121. bribes don't effect hillary clinton either nt

 

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Response to redruddyred (Reply #121)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:42 AM

136. Of course not! If they try to bribe her, she'll send an e-mail to basically tell em to cut it out...

... right after her lunch meeting with a few friends................. ▼▼▼▼▼▼▼▼▼▼

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Response to Beowulf (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:30 AM

72. This isn't so much about Dolores as it is about the Clintons

and how they play. If you owe them, they will collect. They've done a ton of favors for Dolores over the years, and every two or four years she comes out and campaigns for them.

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Response to Beowulf (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:06 AM

107. Are you kidding me?

I thought it was a called-in favor before I knew about the money.

This certainly thickens the plot doesn't it?

Wouldn't Huerta realize that asking to be a translator, in the first place, would be a conflict of interest???

I would think Huerta would KNOW that you probably shouldn't insert yourself into a caucus primary--as a translator--if one of the candidates had given you $100,000.

The Nevada Caucus rules state that translators have to be impartial. That $100,000k spells out a whole lot of partiality!

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:23 AM

59. She's walked back her statements in an interview.

“What happened is the person who was running the caucus said we need a translator and he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator,” she said. “So I walked up to the front and then some of the organizers, the Bernie organizers, decided to shout ‘no, no, no.’ Then a Bernie person stood up and said, I can also do translation. So then the person running the caucus said we won’t have a translator.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/civil-rights-activist-dolores-huerta-sanders-backers-shut-me-down-for-offering-spanish-translation/

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:32 AM

74. Read post #59 and listen to the video yourself.

Dolores Huerta imputed racism and bigotry to Sanders supporters, racism and bigotry that was not there, that did not exist.

That is hateful on Dolores Huerta's part. She was wrong. She has sort of admitted it.

This is why we do not want Hillary in the White House. She and her supporters assume that those who disagree with them are intolerant, racist, etc. We aren't.

I will vote for all the Democrats on my ballot in November -- except Hillary. I cannot in good conscience vote for her. She is divisive, and this example as well as the kerfuffle over Bernie's picture at the University of Chicago are just two instances that demonstrate how divisive she and her campaign are.

We do not need such a divisive candidate for November.

Listen to the tape. The Bernie supporter yelled that she wanted a NEUTRAL translator, someone who was not on Hillary's or Bernie's side. She was asking for fairness not English only.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:41 AM

83. She has already admitted she did not hear it from a Sander's supporter

It was the moderator of the caucus who said it. And she knew it and tweeted it anyway.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:44 AM

85. Delores walked it back.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #85)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:49 PM

217. Serious question -

Do you have a link? So far I have not been able to find this.

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #239)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:16 PM

248. Thanks, but I don't see her walking it back anywhere in the main story.

Perhaps I am blind.

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #248)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:22 PM

249. this part i think

What happened is the person who was running the caucus said we need a translator and he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator,” she said. “So I walked up to the front and then some of the organizers, the Bernie organizers, decided to shout ‘no, no, no.’ Then a Bernie person stood up and said, I can also do translation. So then the person running the caucus said we won’t have a translator.”

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #249)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:28 PM

250. Ah. I didn't perceive that as walking it back, so I glossed over it, I guess.

It is a more accurate description, granted. from what I've seen on the videos, but it's sure not anything like a retraction or explanation of her original tweets, to me.

Thanks for the reply - much appreciated.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:03 AM

104. HERE IS Her Reason For LYING! $100,000 From Clinton Foundation In 2010!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511292568#post5

Above is Delores Huerta Foundation Receiving $100k from Clinton Foundation in 2010

See pdf page 34... There it is! http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

Hillbots could care less how CORRUPT are the Clintons... pitiful

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #104)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:57 AM

168. I'm seeing it at the top of PDF page #33.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:10 PM

268. Boy are you naive.

 

Just because someone is a person of color doesn't mean they never lie. Hillary is getting icons to make shit up and then scream "racism!" if anyone takes issue with their version of what happened. It's so utterly disgusting and sickening.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:14 AM

278. "Delores has no reason to lie about anything."

Yet she lied because she took back her remarks.


"If she said she heard something, I believe her."

That's just it, she didn't hear them say it, otherwise she wouldn't have backtracked. But you're a Hillary supporter and as such, you don't believe that she's bought by Goldman Sachs. "If Hillary says it, it must be true" mentality, regardless of the facts.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Reply #278)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:59 AM

284. Just investigate who H's economic advisor from GS is.

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:08 AM

18. Tried to, I thought it was fuzzy

I read the article from crooks and liars, the statements from MoveOn, and the Tweet from the Sanders campaign, as Well as a timeline of events.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:14 AM

29. Dolores clearly heard something or she wouldn't say she did.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #29)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:18 AM

47. Then why did she walk it back already?

There's video out now.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:21 AM

54. Here. Read this

When legendary organizer Dolores Huerta took the stage to speak at the caucus at Harrah's Casino in Las Vegas, she was greeted with some unexpected hostility.

In the video above, you cannot hear the calls for "English only," but Huerta's response in Spanish seems to be an answer to that call.

According to Huerta, Sanders' supporters were shouting "English only!" at her as she began to speak in Spanish to Latino caucus attendees. Huerta had previously endorsed Hillary Clinton.


http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #54)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:52 AM

146. Here. Watch this

There are no chants of "English only" here. They aren't even saying "No" as Huerta described in later interviews, they are saying "Neutral" which is a perfectly reasonable request.




Read this

“The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did,” she said. “Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. It’s ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasn’t accurate, I’m sure somebody would have corrected me.”
...

ThinkProgress reached out to the Sanders campaign for comment but did not receive a response. However, supporters of his campaign who were at the caucus in question told ThinkProgress Huerta’s representation is not accurate. Erin Cruz, a nurse who traveled from Vermillion, Ohio to volunteer for the Sanders campaign, said she and other Sanders’ supporters shouted “neutral,” not “no” or “English-only.”

“Dolores is a prominent and influential Latina and Hillary supporter should not be allowed to act as translator for the entire caucus as she was clearly for the Hillary camp and was head to toe in Hillary gear,” she said. “There were many, many others who could have acted as a translator, but she was being ushered down the aisle. The moderator then said whomever can get to the stage first can translate. Then both sides took issue with that. The moderator at that point then said, ‘Since no agreement can be made, we will proceed in English only.’ That did not come from anyone at the Bernie camp.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/20/3751830/dolores-huerta-interview/


And this

Update, 8:16 p.m. EST: Huerta went into more detail regarding the incident in an interview with CNN.

“What happened is the person who was running the caucus said we need a translator and he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator,” she said. “So I walked up to the front and then some of the organizers, the Bernie organizers, decided to shout ‘no, no, no.’ Then a Bernie person stood up and said, I can also do translation. So then the person running the caucus said we won’t have a translator.”

Update, 9:28 p.m. EST: Actress Susan Sarandon, who has endorsed Sanders in the campaign, challenged Ferrara’s account in a Twitter post of her own.

“I was there,” Sarandon wrote. “Nobody [from] Bernie’s side said English only. Moderator did when no neutral translator was found.”

Sarandon’s post can be seen below.

[email protected] I was there. Nobody frm Bernie's side said English only. Moderator did when no neutral translator was [email protected]

— Susan Sarandon (@SusanSarandon) February 21, 2016

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/civil-rights-activist-dolores-huerta-sanders-backers-shut-me-down-for-offering-spanish-translation/


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Response to cui bono (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:31 PM

216. Oh, what tangled webs we weave....... NT

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #29)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:46 AM

88. You would think so, right?

You guys have your ears plugged and your dark glasses on. Even after a story has been debunked, you keep pushing it for all you've got.

Who is doing the hating here? Who is mad at whom?

Just who are you mad at, and why?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:17 AM

41. Some don't care and will continue lying. They obviously don't think they will need our votes.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:14 PM

247. It appears this is the second time Huerta has been involved with

HC's opponents in elections. In 2008, Huerta said Obama refused to meet with Latinos, he lacked courage and did not show good judgement. Also that Obama aided suppressing minority votes. Strong statements and quite disappointing.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:06 AM

11. I know.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:09 AM

21. And you dance with joy....

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:17 AM

39. It did not happen. There is video. n/t

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:23 AM

60. MoveOn said "if reports are accurate." Now it's looking like they aren't.

We should try to be accurate and not spread disinformation.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:04 AM

4. Great job showing an example of the smear in effect.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:04 AM

5. Why would I be mad at the Latino community?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:03 AM

155. Who is actually "attacking" the minority communities?

 

Stage 1: make up a lie
Stage 2: Have someone with a good reputation and high standing in a minority community spread the lie
Stage3: Wait for push back from Sanders camp or supporters debunking the lie
Stage 4: Claim Sanders camp and/or supporters are attacking the whole minority group for pushing back on a lie.

The only one attacking minority groups are people who claim a special place in representing them ... then lying in their name.

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Response to beedle (Reply #155)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:03 AM

276. About covers it.

 

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:05 AM

7. No, you are spinning that.

 

She is mad at what the Clinton campaign is doing.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:06 AM

10. OMG.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:10 AM

22. Fucking disgusting.

Hold your head high with pride.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:15 AM

35. For what?

and - it's "you're".

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:16 AM

37. Why would I be mad at the Latino community? That is so laughable.

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Response to jillan (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:39 AM

80. See, this is what her supporters do. Attempt to destroy people and hurt them.

It's deplorable.

I've never actually voiced how I feel about Sanders and his campaign as it relates to race relations, but I have been over the moon. I was so happy to see that Sanders was doing so well with Latino voters in Iowa. I was so excited to talk to two African Americans in my own caucus and convince them to move from undecided to Sanders. And it really wasn't about winning the additional people. It was about the unity.

I want a candidate that unites us. That brings this country together. I want my kids to grow up in a decent world.

I feel that Sanders economic themes unites so many of us for the common good. All races. It's part of my attraction to the campaign.

I am not mad at anyone.

I am terrified that we will lose all of the progress that was started--because Hillary not only wants to win but will destroy anyone, anything and even positive progress--to get what she wants.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #80)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:41 AM

133. +1000! Spot on! Nt

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #80)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:10 PM

215. Right on, CoffeeCat!

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:20 AM

52. o.m.g.

 

Seriously twisted logic

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:40 AM

82. you should be in the Olympics - that was a huge jump

 

lol

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:25 AM

190. The Latino community voted for Sanders by an 11 point margin.

 

Don't play that cynical, snide game.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:44 AM

208. And I guess you're mad at the 50,000,000 living in poverty.

 

The same logic applies.

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:47 AM

210. You're not left of anything and it's "you're" , not "your"

 

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:28 PM

233. Stop using people of color as a cudgel for your candidate.

You obviously need to be told they are real human beings, not political props. It's disgusting.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:44 PM

262. Dolores Huerta, according to Google, is not from Nevada.

She is from New Mexico.

https://www.google.com/#q=where+does+dolores+huerta+live+now

Sanders supporters were not permitted to be in one of the caucuses because they were from California.

The organizers of the caucus should have organized the translators before the caucus.

It is embarrassing that the Nevada caucuses and Iowa caucuses are so disorganized and chaotic. Coin tosses? No translators when everyone knows that if you are in Nevada and the Southwest, you need Spanish translation.

Although, I must add that to become and American citizen, you have to pass a test on basic English I believe -- or has that changed???

Still, the caucus organizers should have organized a translator. That is routine in meetings in Democratic groups in Southern California. You don't wait until the last minute.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:05 AM

6. Hillary Clinton thinks we are worthless peons to pants on fire lie about

and divide and conquer until she gets the nomination and is entitled to each and every one of our votes because she's the nominee.

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Response to jfern (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:28 PM

232. No jfern, that's not what Hillary Clinton thinks.

Sad how wrong you can get it. How can you blame Clinton for something you believe Dolores Huerta said?

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Response to Nitram (Reply #232)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:29 PM

251. Wedge issue are the tactic of both her 2008 and 2016 runs.

That's a stupid way to run in general because it's ultimately a short-run strategy. In the nomination phase it is suicidal.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:05 AM

8. What progress? nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:13 AM

28. The Sanders campaign had reached out and connected with the Latino community

in Iowa and in Nevada.

Sanders won 9 percent more Latinos that Clinton did, correct?

The Latino community in Iowa broke heavily for Sanders.

His message was resonating with them. There were many articles in Iowa, including the Des Moines Register, about the Latino community embracing Bernie Sanders. His solutions to income inequality, raising the minimum wage, campaign-finance reform and single-payer were very appealing to Latinos.

Latino participation in the Iowa caucuses was up 300 percent from 2008. A big move, since 2008 saw record caucus participation in Iowa.

I know many friends who flew to Nevada to worked hard on the Sanders campaign--knocking on doors and making phone calls--speaking one on one to Hispanics and introducing them to Bernie Sanders. Those were hard-won successes in Nevada.

That progress.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:18 AM

46. Incorrect

Hillary won the Latino vote by double digits. The early entrance polls were wrong.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #46)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:18 AM

49. Link?

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Response to cui bono (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:21 AM

53. See the election results and do some math. nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #53)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:56 AM

96. I see only one opinion out there now saying it might be wrong

A recent NBC/Survey Monkey poll showed that Hillary was leading Bernie among Latinos nationally by 3 percentage points, 46 to 43 percent. Of course, Latinos across the country are not necessarily representative of Latinos who are only in Nevada, so it is possible that the exit poll results are indeed reflecting reality, but not likely, said Pedraza.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/analysis-did-hillary-clinton-really-lose-latino-vote-nevada-n522816

So this one guy thinks because national polls reflect Hillary leading Bernie with Latino votes, by a few points, that means the exit polls in Nevada are wrong? Did he forget that polls are always within a few points of being right or wrong?

At this point, this is just a guess...nothing factual to back it up on. The exit polls stand.

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #53)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:35 AM

125. Link?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #46)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:32 AM

76. Its being widely reported that Sanders won the Latino vote 53 to 45.

This is from CBS News, but there are numerous outlets reporting the same thing.

In Nevada, Hillary Clinton Wins Black Vote, Loses Hispanics

That's not to say Clinton can relax after Nevada. Even after her campaign tried to call Sanders' commitment to immigration reform into question and Clinton promised to put forward immigration legislation on the issue during her first 100 days in office, she lost Latino voters to Sanders 53 percent to 45 percent.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nevada-democratic-caucus-hillary-clinton-wins-black-voters-loses-hispanics/

I've seen nothing that indicates that she won Hispanics, but maybe I missed something. Do you have a link?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #46)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:46 AM

140. There you go getting facts in the way of a good argument.

You have been warned.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:24 AM

279. I'm fairly certain

that you've seen this OP. I have been updating my IL accordingly, because I've had enough of the derisive and divisive snarks.

Also, I've noticed that those individuals who've recently earned a spot on my IL have multiple hidden posts, which makes me wonder why it's my fellow Sanders supporters who are being tarred with the "nasty and vicious" brush instead of the Hi11ary supporters who now seem to be fixated on gloating about her "win" in Nevada.

I am determined to continue to support Senator Sanders until he is our next POTUS. I am in awe of his courage and his advocacy for all of us.

Go, Bernie!!!

#NotMeUs

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:06 AM

12. It is very disturbing.

What I would like to know is how does she get people to do these things? I wouldn't lie so Bernie could win, and I just don't understand this kind of behavior.

Maybe it's just the attitude that I heard Jim Clyburn express. He said "All is fair in love and war, and this is war" yesterday on MSNBC.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:27 AM

65. Exactly. I feel the same way.

 

I strongly suspect Hillary's supporters are just as "honest and ethical" as she is. Which means they are going to shock us repeatedly and it would be a waste of our time to try to appeal to their sense of decency.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:18 PM

227. Why is it 'war' and who is it against?

The progressive members of the party? I don't get it.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #227)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:11 AM

277. The war is against the sacred cow of Oligarchy...where everyone knows their

 

place, stays in it, and does not have any power to do much about it. When you're at the top of that scheme, it is terrifying to think that these unwashed masses of people would have anything to say. And if and when they do, they will replace those who tried so hard to keep them down.

That's Revolution, as I see it. It didn't happen overnight, so won't be solved overnight. But it does take an enormous amount of vision, trust in others, and a focused commitment.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:06 AM

13. Victim role as political strategy

I believe organisational behaviour patterns are projections of personal proclivities. Like a fractal of corruption...tattooed on the body politic.

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Response to Fairgo (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:16 AM

36. The only "organisational (sic) behavior patterns" here

are the ones that the Clinton camp engages in, to take down people.

Sanders supporters are working hard to win an election. We're not your victims. But we are recipients of a hell of a lot of dastardly behavior and dirty tricks.

Fractal of corruption. Oh brother...

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:26 AM

63. If it does not apply to you, do not embrace it

I was referring to the strategy of playing the victim role as a passive aggressive means to attack Sanders...the pattern that has now been repeated twice (Lewis & Huerta) and looks to become a signature move. The point of the fractal, a bit poetic I admit, is that this organisational pattern of behaviour points back to the personal failings of the leaders who invoke it. Stated otherwise:

The corruption of an organisation is expressed in the character of the corruptors in power.

Sooooooo....sorry if I wasn't clear.

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Response to Fairgo (Reply #63)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:52 AM

145. thank you for the clarification and your

observation reflects my own. hillary's campaign is a projection of her own personality.

however - it is very disturbing how her campaign is exploiting our black and brown icons. disgusting, really.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #145)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:08 AM

159. Cheers and glad to be in your company

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Response to Fairgo (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:15 PM

287. Ooh, la la!

This is not "victim role as political strategy," as you expressed (oh so lyrically). This is dirty politics vs. the vast Hoi Polloi and a rare pol with integrity and a strong commitment to our democracy.

Feel the BERN!

#NotMeUs

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:07 AM

14. There does seem to be some malicious intent here.

 

Yuuge failure.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:07 AM

15. Dolores

Do you know who Dolores Huerta is? I'm so sick of hearing liberal icons being described as liars or worse.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:09 AM

19. It is pathetic.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:50 AM

94. What's pathetic is the shady

 

campaign Hillary is running.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:12 AM

24. Who cares who she is?

She either lied or misrepresented what happened. Past accomplishments do nothing to mitigate that.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:17 AM

38. I know who she is. I have worked with her. I was quite near her when the SFPD ruptured her spleen...

She is an incredible woman whose civil rights work is near impeccable. But. She. Lied. There was none, zero, zilch chanting.

Dolores tweeted this (and what she tweeted has proven to be a lie) and that has now been retweeted thousands and thousands of times.

Dolores Huerta
I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only! We fought too long & hard to be silenced Si Se Puede! #ImwithHer #NVcaucus

https://twitter.com/DoloresHuerta/with_replies

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #38)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:29 AM

70. I think the Hill campaign must have lied to her to turn her against Bernie.

 

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #38)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:52 PM

219. Thank you. nt

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:18 AM

45. Gloria Steinem is a liberal icon too. At least she apologized for her ugly comments.

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Response to jillan (Reply #45)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:24 AM

61. Gloria is not a Latino icon.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #61)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:27 AM

66. So what? She is just another Hillary supporter that felt it necessary to belittle Bernie supporters.

Being a Latina does not give Huerta an excuse to fabricate what happened today.

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Response to jillan (Reply #66)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:36 AM

79. Killer Mike uterus, enough said!

And don't give me that baloney about his quoting some woman. That didn't fly.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #79)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:02 AM

102. Squirrel

Nice deflection.

What do his comments have to do with what Huerta just did?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #79)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:29 PM

234. Killer Mike didn't say anything wrong!

 

A uterus is does NOT qualify you to be POTUS! It's a simple statement of fact. To be clear, a penis is not a qualifier either.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:20 AM

51. I know who Dolores Hureta is and her work in civil rights is iconic, historic and amazing

...and that is one reason that I would never use her as a weapon against a group of people.

I don't use people.

The fact is...that this woman did not tell the truth. The video is proof of that.

The fact that she took to Twitter to shout these allegations from the highest mountain tops--means that she was intentionally hoping to inflict damage.

I am hoping that this decent, amazing woman who has worked so hard for civil rights and equality will have second thoughts about what has transpired here and that she will do the right thing.

"English Only!" was NEVER said on that video, as she said.

I care enough about her to hope that she tells the truth. Hillary Clinton cares so little about her that she's willing to compromise her and ask her to lie for her campaign.

But go ahead, make me out to be the bad guy! Pathetic.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #51)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:26 AM

64. Ms. Huerta is a political functionary, working for HRC

 

She'd say, this is politics and this is a campaign that must be won and this is how it's done, if you wanna win.

On edit to add: No doubt she's got a major commitment from Hillary in exchange for a position of high ranking.

This ain't her first Rodeo

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Response to 2banon (Reply #64)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:07 AM

109. ??????

Then why did this happen after the polls had closed?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #51)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:33 AM

77. I am Latina...I can say she lied without crossing a line

 

She did herself no favors today.

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Response to artislife (Reply #77)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:31 AM

123. Dolores

I looked at the very short video of the incident on you tube. It starts out with a lot of commotion, with Dolores saying 'Pero necesitamos el espanol.' Then another Latina takes the Mike and says 'It's Dolores Huerta, my goodness.' A man says something like calm down, everyone. Clearly, she was interrupted and treated disrespectfully.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #123)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:39 AM

130. So it is fine that she smears supporters as racists....

 

That is pretty disrespectful in my book.

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Response to artislife (Reply #130)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:56 AM

151. Dolores

She said they were saying 'English only,' but I could not hear that on the 22 second tape. People were shouting out 'neutral,' so I guess they were demanding a neutral translator given Dolores' support of Hillary. Surely, some of the Sanders supporters must speak Spanish, so I don't think Dolores could have gotten away with saying something in Spanish that was too favorable to Hill. I would think that additional videos will surface. What I find disturbing is that almost immediately she was thrown under the bus.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:22 AM

58. I know her personally.

 

I've worked with her. She's an Icon, but she's a human just the same, and she ain't no saint.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:50 AM

92. Is she God?

 

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:54 AM

95. Her history doesn't prevent her from lying.

 

I don't give a single, solitary shit about her "icon" status. She lied, maliciously and transparently. Unacceptable.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:08 AM

112. So why are you doubling down...

 

On something that was not true?

If there's anyone dragging her name on the mud, it's Hillary supporters who still go on a collective attacks on Bernie supporters and then expect their loyalty in November.

You're like Trump supporters!
You switch the story and narrative from one day to the next on the same story as if it was gospel without doing any fact checking!


You ignore your own candidates' lies and buy into the unicorn fantasy that she is Superwoman who can single handled beat the Republiscammers and make them work with her despite their hatred for her.

First you attack Bernie himself!
Now you attack his supporters.

And have this faux outrage when things don't are not always as they seem. People hear what they want to hear. And now you're living in suspension of disbelief not to lose your narrative.
This despite that five Karl Rovian attacks have come from the Hillary camp.
If you think for a second that your behavior was the behavior of a mature winning team, I am sorry to inform you; It was more like the glee from heels in a wrestling match. And this is what it looks like from my side of things: American politics have turned into pro-wresting!

When will you realize that when you glue any bad behavior of a Bernie supporter to Bernie himself, and find out that the accusations are false, that it will backfire?
That your own condescending, arrogant behavior, end deflection of her lies will reflect badly back at her campaign?

And it's not a way to win allies in future battles if you think that your candidate can take the coronation crown to the bank (Goldman Sachs), you better start thinking of your own behavior before throwing rocks in glass houses. Keep this up, and it will be the end of the democratic party. You can certainly forget about Hillary in November. Because she and many of her more ardent supporters and surrogates will have made her too rotten to even touch with a ten foot pole.


Just a friendly advice from an old traveler...

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Response to Bohemianwriter (Reply #112)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:57 PM

267. +1000

Very nicely put.

As an old Bohemian myself, and in my old age, a writer of sorts, I love you screen name.

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Response to Paka (Reply #267)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:47 PM

270. Cheers...

 

..It's a default username I use...

Wonder why no one from the Hillary camp wants to engage...Perhaps they know they would lose? I'd love to have a townhall with any corporate politician...

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:56 AM

148. thank you for stating this.

i know her personally and have worked with her on and off through the years - since the 70's. her passion and dedication to the latino community and social justice issues is passionate and committed. i respect her but do not agree with her about endorsing hillary.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:08 AM

172. I didn't come up with this, but I think it fits for a whole lot of folks:

'She's a hero, not a saint'. You know, it's okay, it just means that she's human like the rest of us.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:39 AM

205. Even when they lie? That's BS, no one is above being called out for dishonesty.

Huerta lied, either outright, or by withholding key information. She's trying to walk back her lie now that the video has shown her deception.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:11 PM

269. So icons never, ever lie, huh?

 

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Response to enid602 (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:41 PM

275. I see. when you lie as a liberal, it's okay. Lying as a conservative is bad

 

I always thought lying was lying and it was all bad.

What have we become as a party when we accept the tactics of the neanderthal other side?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:07 AM

16. The Clinton campaign didn't engineer the Huerta hate.

But Sanders supporters certainly cheered the "English only" decision.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:13 AM

26. The fuck?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:14 AM

31. Eh?

De que tu hablas homie?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:17 AM

43. The Sanders supporters just wanted a neutral translator. They never wanted "English only"

 

There were hundreds of Spanish-speaking people in that room. It wasn't possible to find ONE that was neutral?

The Sanders supporters were innocent of any wrongdoing.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #43)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:28 AM

68. They cheered the English only decision.

It was shameful.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #68)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:42 AM

84. They cheered the neutral decision. A Bernie supporter came on the stage and offered

translation services, as well. The moderator kept saying, "no… no… no."

You just cannot have someone who enthusiastically supports one candidate over another standing on that stage and interpreting the process.

It stinks of bias no how saintly Hillary supporters (many who have likely heard of her until today) deem her.

And that she would outright lie and claim that Bernie supporters were chanting, English only!", is really fucking depressing.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #84)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:47 AM

90. The moderator said "first one on stage" could translate.

That's just how ad hoc the thing was.

But because it was someone perceived as not neutral, everyone lost their fucking minds.

From her point of view they were cheering the English only decision. Had she tweeted "cheer" rather than "chant" I wonder where we would be here on this. I'm already seeing the pivot on the "neutral translator" here. As if she can't be a damn neutral translator in a room full of bilingual people.

The moderator even said half the people in the room could tell if the translator was shilling, being bilingual (the crowd even agreed).

But the cheering for the English only decision was downright pathetic.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #90)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:08 AM

110. Sorry...she tweeted what she meant.

I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only!


You cannot twist her words to your meanings because you don't like that this got debunked.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #110)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:28 AM

120. Oh, sure, I think she completely thought up what happened.

That doesn't make her malicious or evil or even a liar.

She interpreted the actions against her as that. She heard "neutral, neutral," she heard, "English only," followed by cheering, and clapping. She left confused, irate, and pissed off and took to twitter.

And everyone is ignoring the fact that Sanders supporters cheered and clapped for the "English only" decision. Everyone is ignoring that they considered her a "not neutral" translator when half the room was bilingual.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #90)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:26 AM

119. And then challenged by a actual rule, rejected the compromise and said English only.

She absolutely cannot be a neutral translator. She is 100% a Hillary supporter.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #119)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:30 AM

122. In a room with half bilingual people...

...she certainly was as neutral than anyone who could get to the stage first. That's why the moderator didn't give a fuck who translated. Simple as that. What's she going to do, start making shit up and expect not to immediately be called on it by the mob? What a joke.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #122)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:39 AM

131. Many of which who were Bernie supporters. If you listen, you hear neutro and neutral.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #131)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:44 AM

138. Who cheered the "English only" decision.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #138)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:57 AM

169. According to multiple witnesses, Hillary supporters did.

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Response to askew (Reply #169)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:58 AM

170. I saw the video.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #90)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:18 AM

177. I could see in the video they lost their minds.

Most disturbing was seeing the one man grab and eat a baby. Fuckin Sanders supporter, for sure. Totally insane motherfucking baby eating Sanders supporters.

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Response to snort (Reply #177)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:28 AM

180. Rofl!

And don't forget the torches and pitchforks!

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #180)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:32 AM

181. And salsa!

Babies tend to be a bit bland.

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Response to snort (Reply #181)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:39 AM

183. Taste like chicken.

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Response to snort (Reply #177)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:49 PM

218. Then he stomped on a kitteh. It clearly cried "no mas".

Sanders supporters hate kittehs.

Well, that's what I saw and heard.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #218)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:59 PM

221. You are quite right, sir.

Indeed, it was just yestereve I gutted a kitteh and wore it as a party hat. El gato sombrero. Because hate.

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Response to snort (Reply #221)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:05 PM

222. Skinned they also make excellent house slippers.

Support Sanders and hate kittehs. Not a trifecta yet, but getting there.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #222)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:32 PM

236. LOL

Perfect for climbing the curtains and dusting those valances!

Bernie!

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #222)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:17 PM

255. hand muffs

after you stomp their heads, skin them, and turn them inside out.

poodles work for this as well

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:18 AM

48. It was the moderator - stop it already!

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:22 AM

55. Sanders supporters would NEVER cheer that.

 

It looks to me like you are just trying to keep the lie going.

Because lying is all she and her supporters have.

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Response to senz (Reply #55)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:27 AM

67. I watched the video.

Calling Huertaal a liar achieves nothing but a continuation of the hate.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #67)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:32 AM

75. I think you're playing a destructive and dishonest game

 

which I hope backfires with great force on your candidate.

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Response to senz (Reply #75)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:39 AM

81. I'm afraid it will, actually.

I think the toxic attitude people are expressing to people I don't support in their endorsements and support of my candidate, to the point of calling them liars, and continuing hateful attitudes is going to be very damaging to my candidate. We are already seeing it with Latinos and AA people moving against my candidate.

Tone deaf is the only term for it.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:07 AM

171. Actually:

Gaby Hoffmann
✔ ‎@gabymhoffmann

@AmericaFerrera @DoloresHuerta Also, & I noted this while there, the hill side was the one that applauded when he says english only.


http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #171)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:11 AM

173. I saw the video.

That tweet you link is also contested by the majority of the replies: https://twitter.com/gabymhoffmann/status/701236471814983681

There's no way it was Hillary supporters who cheered that shit.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #173)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:15 AM

175. Which video did you see? The short clip or the long one?

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #175)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:18 AM

176. The full video.

Including the part where the moderator noted that anyone could tell if the translator was genuine because half of the room was bilingual!

Fuck this I've gone in so many circles tonight I give up.

Please let this shit die tomorrow because I'm going to have to edit that video, make a transcription, and upload it, because there was nothing in that video to be proud about. The neutrality argument is total shit (and it was argued potentially by non-participants in the caucus, which would be illegal if true; the moderator called them observers and said they'd have to leave if they didn't quiet down).

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #176)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:21 AM

179. OK, goodnight then.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:09 AM

20. Ever hear the tone is set at the top? And like attracts like?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:11 AM

23. Not all Clinton supporters are like this.

 

And here the guilty party has been called out on the dirty trick, so it doesn't help them. Some people are just not that bright. These tactics backfire and do nothing to help the Clinton campaign.

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Response to californiabernin (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:15 AM

34. Dolores Huerta is not that bright?

Do you know who she is?????????????

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #34)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:59 AM

100. It's not very bright to latch on to and promote a lie.

 

What is to blame here is the Caucus system that would potentially allow an advocate for a particular campaign to be in such a position, as well as the careless accusation and the candidate's supporters who promoted the falsehood.

She should have been more careful in her actions, but I do thank Dolores Huerta for the redaction. May we all be a little more respectful and not so quick to judge.

Anyway, enough of this. Sanders won the Latino vote today because of young Latino turnout, and that gives me hope that the politics of racial division are the politics of the old. May the children teach their parents well!

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Response to californiabernin (Reply #100)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:03 AM

156. There is another video that clearly shows Dolores is correct

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #156)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:13 AM

174. Link?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:12 AM

25. AGREED!!!!



100x this

We see it on DU - a microcosm of the HRC campaign. There are posters here who HATE Sanders supporters with a fury and rage - hundreds of posts and OPs

Rahm Emmanual labelled us "Fucking retarded". They are just too PC to use his despicable language (although some come disturbingly close. )

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Response to Arazi (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:14 AM

30. They hate the left every bit as much as they hate the right.

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Response to frylock (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:35 AM

124. No, they hate the left far, far, far, far more. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #124)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:47 AM

141. Perhaps we're the greater threat.

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Response to frylock (Reply #141)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:50 AM

142. We definitely are.

If we aren't demoralized into submission, we'd start demanding our candidates actually give a shit about what we want.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:58 AM

99. We know who those posters are.

 

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:15 AM

33. There is only one thing we can do to stop this sickening behaviour.

We have to win. There is no place for this hatred and playing the races against each other in the Democratic party.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:56 AM

150. yes, time to excise hatred from the Democratic Party.

Start by dumping David Brock, Hillary.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #150)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:33 AM

182. I agree, any candidate that would actively try to divide Americans across racial and cultural lines

Then attempt to foster hatred of each group against the other is harmful not just to the process but to the innocent people they are trying to divide into racial political wars, even if it is only an attempt to do so temporarily (as they likely tell themselves), just until an election is won, it is deplorable behavior and often seen used by hate groups across the globe.

Brock is a big part of this (pit one poor race against another) in order to win victories designed to profit the wealthy at the expense of all the people that will suffer under their trickle down neoliberal policies which will harm all of us struggling people no matter the race, but those that hire them also have a history of agitating people to hate by race and so are just as, if not more, accountable for such deplorable tactics.

It is a tactic often used by the wealthy in order to keep the power and money while continuing to steal even more in the face of glaring wide spread wealth disparity across all racial and social lines, In war the tactic is called divide and conquer, the wealthy have throughout history done this at the point where the difference between the rich and poor becomes widespread and apparent.

A true leader on the other hand, one that wants to help all the people historically tries to bring all the people together to fight the aristocracy.

It is clear which candidate is following which tactic, just as it is clear which candidate is little more than the puppet of the wealthy and attempting to win yet more of their favor. Such candidates often acquire excessive wealth during their lapdog tenures practically rubbing it in our faces (how much wealth have the "public servants" the Clintons acquired again, and from whom?)

The honest candidate, not swayed by or wiling to be used by by an uncontrolled group that worships at the altar of greed often lives a relatively normal lifestyle, not depending on acquiring wealth in order to achieve their version of a happy life, again which candidate more closely represents this lifestyle?

I have told you of tactics as old as the existence of extreme wealth at the expense of others. In your hearts the signs of their use are evident, some would say axiomatic.

I have also told you of some common traits of leaders on the side of the populace.

There is enough for you to decide for yourself which side you are on. And who is on your side as well.


choose well.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #182)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:27 AM

191. Great post, Dragonfli. Truth. nt.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:17 AM

40. I think the hate was cemented when Rahm called us retarded.

 

His word, I'm quoting.
That was a declaration of war. If the DNC doesn't recognize and accomodate the left, then the left has no obligation to support the Democratic Party and might as well split and leave its corrupt and rotten corpse behind.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:17 AM

42. She never marched with Jonathan Capehart during the turbulent 60s.

Last edited Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:02 AM - Edit history (1)

And the Germans never attacked Pearl Harbor.

However, if this is the way they want to ruin Hillary's campaign, who am I to disagree?



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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:20 AM

50. Yep - one candidate is trying to build a movement. The other candidate is trying to push us away.

Congrats team Hillary - you are succeeding.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:22 AM

56. It is a pattern. I think Hillary Clinton will use ANYBODY, any tactic...to win. It's disgusting,

 


...divisive, and dangerous.


She should NEVER be in a position of power.

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Response to AzDar (Reply #56)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:35 AM

78. Agreed. She should never be in a position of power.

 

Never.

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Response to senz (Reply #78)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:37 AM

280. If multiple surveys DO reflect the will of the vast Hoi Polloi,

AND if her dastardly methods do net her the nomination, she faces an 80% likelihood of losing to the GOP. How can her campaign ignore this?!?

Furthermore, how can Hi11ary ignore the high percentage of US citizens who find her dishonest and untrustworthy? HOW does she expect to be elected POTUS when most voters do not trust her?

I sincerely doubt that Hi11ary will ever hold "a position of power." I think she will relentlessly attack Senator Sanders, and gain the nomination by fair means or foul, and we'll have a Trump presidency (or whatever member of that clown car achieves ascendancy to their throne).

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Response to chervilant (Reply #280)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:13 AM

286. She has immense money and connections

 

and an obsession with the presidency. Her paid cadre of advisers are undoubtedly aware that she could lose the GE. However, we underlings may not be aware of all the factors at play.

Hillary and Trump are old friends, and early in the GOP primary process, various pundits observed that Trump was not running a serious campaign. They noted his sustained and focused attack on Jeb Bush, who everyone expected to be Hillary's Republican opposition. Trump destroyed Jeb fairly easily; it went surprisingly fast. Then he turned his pointed attacks onto Scott Walker, another early favorite. Now it's Trump vs. Rubio and Cruz, both of whom have huge drawbacks, Rubio appearing weak and callow, Cruz being unlikable and weird. Trump will occasionally mention Hillary, but so far, his attacks have never gone deep enough to seriously harm her. He always pulls his punches with Hillary.

So Trump has essentially cleared the Republican field of any "natural" competition for Hillary. If Hillary, using her gutter tactics, manages to defeat Bernie, she would probably face Trump or some rightwing outlier. Then the question is, would Trump seriously try to defeat her?

There may be, and probably are, other factors at work, but what I'm saying is, this is not necessarily the straightforward contest between "Republicans and Democrats" that the public has been led to believe.

To me, it is obvious that Bill and Hillary are not Democrats. They run with the 1%, they're tight with the Bush family, they vacation with the Kissingers, etc. Traditional Democrats and, of course, Bernie Sanders, are mere rubes to them; we are the hoi polloi, powerless rabble to be manipulated. Our wishes, and the Constitution that was designed to serve us, do not matter anymore. She is fairly blatant about her disregard for these considerations with her quid pro quo "deals" while SOS, her private email server, the absurd Wall Street "speeches" that fill her coffers and fuel her campaign. To hell with everyone else, Hillary does what she pleases. Because she can.

Bernie's candidacy was unexpected, but her body language during the debates shows that she does not take him seriously; she smirks with certain audience members while he's talking, etc. He and his supporters are a joke to her.

So I don't think we should get too confident; the cards are stacked against us. On the bright side, I would expect Bernie to be aware of all this, but I don't know what, if anything, he can do about it. She is rich, ruthless, and well-connected. In a dirty, degraded contest, those are huge advantages.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:24 AM

62. ironic, though. she hates bernie supporters and yet

she cant win shit in nov without us if she were the nom.

wonder how she plans to win us back? because many of us are sick of hearing "too bad you have nowhere else to go"

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:29 AM

69. She has no idea who she's aligned herself with.

What's clear though, is that they are two of a kind, so they deserve each other.

As FDR said, I welcome their hatred. That sort of person hates good just because it's good. I have a visceral reaction to that, like Buffy sensing a vampire.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:30 AM

71. The tactics are clear here.

Bernie tries to unite the people, and in

response the HRC campaign tries to divide
the people.

Great way to get the repugs into office, or
is that the true aim by now?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:32 AM

73. Maybe we will just disappear ...

 

She views the Left like she views the the Right, except she isn't willing to work so closely with us. We don't bring her the things she wants.

Okay, then.

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Response to artislife (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:57 AM

98. Poof...there I go!

The crazy on the Clinton side has gotten just a bit too dark for me.

Not my circus. Not my monkeys.


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Response to artislife (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:24 AM

194. That is exactly what will happen. nt

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:44 AM

86. How does one hear "Neutral" as "English only?"

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:45 AM

87. To fight the Clinton's filthy tricks Bernie would have to violate

His principles. I don't think he would do that.
They are desperate and will do anything to squeak out a victory at any cost.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:47 AM

89. You guys are playing with fire in calling Delores Huerta a liar over a misunderstanding.

She's a revered activist and Latino Americans are not going to be pleased with this. That poorly miked video is not proof that Huerta didn't hear someone in that whole throng say "English only".

Some here apparently didn't learn from the "Stockholm Syndrome" post that insulted AAs (who voted 6-1 for Hillary in Nevada btw).

Take the high road, leave it alone, and most of all, don't call Huerta a liar.

That is not smart.

Sanders needs Latino votes in the coming primaries.

He doesn't need his supporters pushing them away.

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Response to brush (Reply #89)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:02 AM

103. Why did she walk it back then?

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #103)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:06 AM

106. Does it matter? Does this apparent misunderstanding invalidate the vote?

No. Clinton won.

Take the high road and move on.

Do not further alienate the Latino vote.

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Response to brush (Reply #106)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:36 AM

126. All the more reason it was a bad idea for Huerta to do it.

Clinton had won. There was nothing to gain from lying.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #126)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:54 AM

147. But there is something to lose for Sanders supporters to keep calling . . .

Delores Huerta a liar.

Use your heads, guys. We're talking the second biggest voter demographic in the country and she's being labeled a liar by the Sanders camp over a misunderstanding. Someone in that large space, not picked up by that poorly miked video, may very well have said "English only". We don't know and neither does Susan Surandon.

It's not worth it to the Sanders camp to keep beating this dead horse because the caucus is long over but the coming primaries are not.

Delores Huerta is a liar? Are you guys fu_king kidding me?

Do you want Latino votes or you want to keep making snarky remarks for immediate gratification? As if that's doing any good.

And one other thing. Huerta is 85. Do ya really thing she does her own tweeting?

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Response to brush (Reply #147)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:22 AM

161. But we do know!!!

 

Delores walked it back and told what really happened. No one yelled "English Only".

I am satisfied that she walked it back and no more needs to be said about her on this matter (the same can't be said for those people who try exposing the facts as "attacking the Latino community".) You're right there are misunderstandings, and in the heat of the moment she may even have felt like it was the case that some people were dismissing Spanish speakers.

But, the point is that she did "lie" (at least misrepresented the facts,) that is no longer in dispute. Only the degree of 'lie' is in question.

If someone fabricates claims of racist (that is basically what she was claiming at first) and lays this fabrication at the feet of the Sanders camp, they have every right to push back, especially if there is evidence that the story as told was not at all accurate.

It's not 'attacking' the Latino community to push back at a misrepresentation. Even if that misrepresentation was by of one of the people claiming leadership in that community ... the only person doing any kind of harm to the Latino community in this case is the person misrepresenting the facts (and again, Huerta has cleared up the record, and that is good. What isn't good is that some Hillary supporters are either denying the facts, or spinning the release of the facts as an "attack".)

I know of no position in any community where you are so 'revered and honored' that you no longer need to be factual, and where lies and distortions of the truth are acceptable just because you "well respected".

This is a very perverse version of the "have you stopped beating your wife" trap .. only in this case, answering yes or no is not the 'trap', it's pointing out that the person making the invalid argument makes you a 'wife beater'

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Response to beedle (Reply #161)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:27 AM

162. The reason I say it was a misunderstanding is because it was reported that someone, perhaps an . . .

official, did say "English only" and Huerta thought it came from the Sanders camp.

I still say to keep this going is not smart and is only going to cost Sanders votes that he's going to need in the upcoming primaries.

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Response to beedle (Reply #161)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:53 AM

167. Here's the video with the "English only" phrase

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Response to brush (Reply #167)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:58 PM

273. That is a Hillary supporter and she says "Bernie is English only, Bernie is English only".

In one of the other videos linked there she says "It's Dolores Huerta, my goodness".

You keep implying that the video shows Bernie supporters saying "English only". It does not.

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Response to beedle (Reply #161)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:33 AM

202. Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.

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Response to brush (Reply #202)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:24 PM

260. Sounds to me

 

Like a Hillary supporters saying "Bernie is English only"


She also seemed to be standing quite far back , and not really shouting, so not sure how that was being heard from the stage. Maybe it's a truck of the camera, and it could be heard from the stage, but the "English only" meme is certainly not what is being claimed.

There is also a several updates to the story, including in the one you linked to, which tells a different story than the one originally circulated.

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Response to beedle (Reply #161)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:24 PM

231. +1

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Response to brush (Reply #106)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:46 AM

139. Latinos are much more than one person.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #103)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:09 AM

113. Maybe she was mistaken.

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Response to 840high (Reply #103)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:50 AM

166. Here's the video where you can clearly hear "English only".

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Response to brush (Reply #166)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:33 AM

192. From the moderator, according to everyone there, even the Clintonites, now.

 

But keep pushing that lie. It's backfiring.

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Response to w4rma (Reply #192)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:30 AM

200. So she did hear "English only".

She didn't lie.

Take the high road and move on. The Nevada caucus is over but Sanders is going to need Latino votes going forward.

Repeating the Delores Huerta is a liar is a good way to lose those votes.

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Response to brush (Reply #89)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:07 AM

108. They never learn

 

They just double down on the insults to icons of the civil rights movement and organized labor.

Bernie is the one that's gonna pay for this sickness

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Response to brush (Reply #89)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:37 AM

127. And you guys are playing with fire in the general election too...

 

When you claim that we can't point out lies when they happen. Just because someone is revered doesn't mean they should be above criticism.

That's like saying that FDR shouldn't have ever been criticized for his having put Japanese Americans in internment camps. I love so much about the rest of that man, but I won't try to keep people from criticizing those actions when that criticism is deserved in that case.

I have publicly written letters to praise Obama on his handling of the Iran deal despite Republican attempts to try and stop it. But I won't just do praise when he also deserves criticism on things like the TPP and other areas too.

If you are claiming that just because certain people criticize Bernie falsely that they should be allowed to do so if they are some form of icon like Steinhem, Albright, Lewis, and Huerta (which appears to be a strategy here), then Hillary Clinton is the one that is playing with fire in the general election, when you are pushing so many of us away now, that I'll have a hard time avoiding just writing in Bernie in the general election if this continues, even if Hillary gets the nomination.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #127)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:02 AM

154. +1

excellent!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:47 AM

91. It's a trap....

RUN!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:50 AM

93. I Cannot Believe the Level of Immaturity on DU . .

 

Sure, there is nastiness on the HRC side,

but it's also there on the Bernie side.

This is over the top . .

"It is evident that Hillary Clinton and her supporters HATE Bernie Sanders supporters. They detest us. Winning is not enough. They want us destroyed. They'll lie to do it. They'll use esteemed civil-rights icons to do it. Whatever it takes."

As an old leftie, I suggest that ALL OF YOU start working on
your local races - from school board, state rep & many more.

And cool it with the hysteria.

Some of you act like Bernie is your one and only savior.

He is not.

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Response to FairWinds (Reply #93)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:16 AM

115. SPEAK! Wise advice from an old leftie.

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Response to FairWinds (Reply #93)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:41 AM

281. I cannot believe the number of patronizing

posts on DU...



SMDH...

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Response to chervilant (Reply #281)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:53 AM

282. Your "patronizing" gambit is patronizing . .

 

how about if you try to deal with the issues raised ?

Sure, there is nastiness on the HRC side,

but it's also there on the Bernie side.

This is over the top . .

"It is evident that Hillary Clinton and her supporters HATE Bernie Sanders supporters. They detest us. Winning is not enough. They want us destroyed. They'll lie to do it. They'll use esteemed civil-rights icons to do it. Whatever it takes."

As an old leftie, I suggest that ALL OF YOU start working on
your local races - from school board, state rep & many more.

And cool it with the hysteria.

Some of you act like Bernie is your one and only savior.

He is not.

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Response to FairWinds (Reply #282)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:54 AM

283. Geez, I thought I had updated

my IL. I better fix that right now.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:59 AM

101. on the surface the party looks like it's fine: the candidates talk, the candidates

get called on things they say or didn't say, the polls are counted, the polls are speculated upon, some states are one by one or the other

inside it's rotting and aflame, admired stalwarts slinging mud at the candidate who does everything they say they want and more, in an unprecedented crisis

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:05 AM

105. No one will...

pick up a single Democratic vote by trashing a civil rights icon, (unless you're Donald Trump) but you might lose 10,000.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:08 AM

111. Progressives were already dismissed by the DNC/DLC/Clintons...

... A long time ago.

We're just waking up to it.

We want OUR Party back.

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Response to ReallyIAmAnOptimist (Reply #111)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:21 AM

118. All those folks you criticize..

they are the Democratic Party. Be it Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, John Lewis, Dolores Huerta, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Tom Harken, Elizabeth Warren... you can go on forever. This is what being a Democrat is about.

I'm super proud of my party.

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Response to Skid Rogue (Reply #118)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:41 AM

132. And the Koch brothers paid to help set up the DLC to make it the way it is now...

 

You can be proud of that... But I reject the corporate corruption that has infected it!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:11 AM

114. I haven't heard the video. I just got home to the good news that Hillary won.

But, Dolores Huerta is a respected person and I doubt that she lied. Maybe that's what she heard or thought she heard.

As for the Hillary campaign, please give me a break. It's always amusing when one side demonizes the other while ignoring it's own infractions. For instance, it wasn't wise for some of Sanders' eager beaver supporters to misrepresent themselves in several casinos. The Culinary Union is very powerful in NV and they were not amused. How about using the AARP logo without their permission? How about the staffers who took some of Hillary's campaign donor lists when the DNC's firewall failed?

All campaigns have some people that go over the top. No one HATES (your caps) Sanders. I don't want him to be the nominee, but I certainly don't hate him.

Besides, do you forget the chortling done by his supporters and some surrogates over his win in NH? I have heard more nastiness thrown at Hillary than I have heard thrown at Sanders.



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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:19 AM

116. Nixonian

"If you're not with us, you're the enemy."

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:20 AM

117. It is disheartening. Congrats to Clinton, but after looking at the Quin. poll she does not provide

best chance in the GE. Loses to 4/5 GOP candidates.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:37 AM

128. Clinton doesn't seem satisfied with a win...

Because it's a small win, smaller even than 2008, when she "beat" Obama. Like a rented mule.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:42 AM

134. She is a civil rights legend

Last edited Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:35 AM - Edit history (1)

She was subject to racism and has EVERY RIGHT to denounce it, and anyone who values equality should do the same.

It is that kind of behavior, the audacity in calling a civil rights legend a liar, rude and contemptuous treatment of Black Lives Matter, and virtually everyone on the left that has earned the hostility. That you know claim that you are victims because she dared to speak out and say she found the behavior unacceptable is the limit. Sanders supporters have no right to keep their racist abuse of a Civil Rights legend quiet. They have no right to claim victimhood by people who have fought for the most oppressed in our society, migrant workers, and those killed by police.

The treatment of Huerta, John Lewis, Sybrina Fulton, and millions of women who have been insulted with foul misogynistic insults for failing to fall down to white male supremacy has earned those Sanders supporters the reputation. Sanders supporters here could show that they do not stand with racists, that they will not make excuses for them, and that they won't tolerate misogynistic insults. Instead, you insist that you are the victim because a brown woman dared to speak about her experience, a brown woman of UNIMPEACHABLE character, who has done more for oppressed people than all but a few others in this country. Bernie, Hillary, and nearly every other politician could live 100 another years and never approach her contributions in that regard.

Dolores Huerta, along with the late Cesar Chavez, are equivalent to MLK in their standing. And you call her a liar, justify the attacks on her that are captured on video, and then you wonder why people resent you?
Any resentment has been earned through months and months of abusive behavior and justifications for that behavior.

I will not stand up for white male supremacy, and I will denounce racism and nativism whenever I see it. You all have so tarnished the word progressive that we now assume it is invoked to justify racism. This victimization complex of people who have so much privilege in comparison to those they target is unseemly and it says everything about what the Sanders campaign has come to represent.

MoveOn, who endorsed Sanders, denounced the behavior. http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores It's unfortunate that others don't show the same concern for racial justice by doing the same. Even worse, you cast yourself as the victim, which is something we have seen in spades from the right. It is now to the point where I can see no difference on crucial issues of equality between the far right and so-called "progressives" who engaged in this unseemly pretense of victimhood. I have no doubt you believe it, and that makes it even worse. That you can look around at desperate poverty and racial violence and claim that you are victimized by members of that population because they have the nerve to expect to be treated as equal citizens. It truly is galling.




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Response to BainsBane (Reply #134)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:30 AM

163. Speaking as a non-white person

if people don't want to be called out on shit, they shouldn't do it. If you make false claims, you're a liar. It doesn't matter what you did fifty years ago.

That level of fit pitching over racism in a primary is absolutely hilarious considering what a racist campaign Hillary ran against Obama.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #134)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:45 AM

209. I disagree. Your post is too erroneous to bother with nt

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:42 AM

135. I don't think Dolores Huerta lied.

You have to actually present evidence to make that claim.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #135)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:00 AM

152. I asked for proof when the charge first was made.

I was pointed to a video of the session where the "English only" yells were made.

Except that they weren't. The only clear voice was one woman calling for a neutral translator. Since Ms. Huerta was already acknowledged as a HRC supporter that seems to have been a call for someone not so clearly a supporter of one of the candidates.

Perhaps someone with a state-of-the-art sound mixer could pick out the phrase "English only" from the surrounding din. I could not.

If you make a charge and you cannot provide any proof of it you can expect to be challenged on it, even if you are someone like Ms. Huerta.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #135)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:21 AM

178. Actually she made the claim.

The onus is on her to prove it, but the videos show she lied.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:43 AM

137. Does the Sanders campaign only want to appeal to

 

A certain race cause thats what it looks like around here

Just asking.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #137)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:56 AM

149. berniebros and their "artful smears" mang

 

clinton is really pissing off some Real Progressives(tm) myself included thru various disingenuous representations of the facts throughout this campaign. i liked her til she went down hard on bernie in nh; imagined she was largely a force for good but then they lying began. i'm beginning to understand why she's so hated across the political spectrum.

anyhow, having dark skin should not put you above criticism, that's a ridiculous argument.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:52 AM

143. Kicked and recommended! It's highly disturbing to me too.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:52 AM

144. Oligarch's desperate attempt to stop the political revolution!

They are willing to do just about anything to retain their power over our country.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:00 AM

153. Shit like this is confirming us Millennials' complete LOATHING of Hillary Clinton.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #153)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:17 AM

188. Believe me, it's not just Millenials

but you guys have more reason than anyone to loath her.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:05 AM

157. You say "if Clinton wins this nomination--Progressives are screwed"...Personally I think

 

if Clinton wins this nomination we're ALL screwed, because I seriously doubt she could win the general election.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:10 AM

160. O Noes! The Hillary gang caught red handed... AGAIN!!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:30 AM

164. Sanders Supporters Check this Out

Check out this thread to see what we are up against. I just posted it a little while ago. Ralston has a helluva column.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511293622

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:49 AM

165. Whoa on the hyperbole

Should have ended this piece with the bit about unraveling the Sanders plan.
After that point you just sound bitter, perhaps a little paranoid, to most.
Clinton and her gang want to win. No question. They're willing to do anything to win. No question.
Whether or not they hate is a matter of interpretation. They certainly don't want to hate so bad that progressive voters turn against the them.
Hate is a pretty strong word, and when you bandy it about as you have above, it makes you sound extreme.
Hey, I get it. It was real mean, but don't attribute emotion. It's the way they do politics. Its the thing you want to change. You won't change it by getting emotional.
Most folks are doing the right thing, calmly pointing out the lie and misinformation.
Really, that's all you have to do.

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Response to Wibly (Reply #165)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:22 AM

189. I don't really think you have a right to tell anyone here how to post or what tone or words

to use to describe what they feel.

Seems a bit arrogant?

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Response to polly7 (Reply #189)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:32 AM

201. +1 Very arrogant.

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Response to Wibly (Reply #165)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:41 PM

243. Nobody is gonna place faith in your advice...

But, you don't need to worry yourself because love always conquers hate. We just can't choose the exact timing of that phenomena.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:22 AM

193. This is Hillary Clinton & her establishment democrats -

and it will inform how we vote in November. Hopefully we will make it through and Bernie will be on our ballot. If not many of us will face very difficult choices.

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Response to TBF (Reply #193)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:28 AM

195. I feel like Clinton has used dirty tricks to beat Sanders

 

It would be very hard to vote for her in the future.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #195)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:29 AM

196. Or...

more people simply believe her and do not believe in Sanders.

Crazy, I know, that someone can hold a different opinion...

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Response to Tarc (Reply #196)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:33 AM

197. Explain the tricks then - the lies we are seeing.

That is what we are arguing. We will all vote for who we believe in come November. There are always plenty of choices on the ballot. Even down here in TX the good folks in Austin make sure the green party is on there. Tred carefully.

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Response to TBF (Reply #197)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:11 PM

225. Crazy Town

I know it's crazy, but consider the radical idea that Clinton has won by the fact that more people find her vision for the future to be better than Sanders', rather than by conspiracies and tricks.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #225)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:51 PM

237. Consider that coin tosses and the ace of spades are not enough -



What we do know is this from delegates reported & popular vote that we have access to:

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:23 AM

198. Kick and R

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:23 AM

199. You're going to tell her what she heard?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:34 AM

203. Kick and R

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:35 AM

204. Hillary's Political Machine did a good study of Nixon, the Bushes and Karl Rove

 

..especially, the art of Rat-fucking.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:39 AM

206. K&R

nt

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:42 AM

207. 'The video shows that Dolores Hureta did not hear Sander's supporters yelling"

Isn't that metaphysically impossible?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:50 AM

211. No, the disturbing part of it is the absurdity of it

 

Everyone is so quick to pick up on some minor detail and magnify it over and over again. If Huerta actually heard someone shout English only (and there seems to be some evidence of that), then all it proves is there are a few idiots among Sanders supporters. It's no secret that Sanders appeals to mostly liberals, but also some Reagan Democrat types who aren't into social justice but really like Sanders strong stand on Wall Street.

This is a non-issue, true or not, and I think Sanders supporters should let it go, because the more attention they give the subject the more the low information voter will hear that Sanders may have said that.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:05 PM

212. It will get much, much worse.

Two things going on here.

First is the ruthlessness and ambition of the Clinton machine.
They will bribe, bully, intimidate anyone to get what they want.

Second, is the use and manipulation of the gender issue. I don't pretend to understand it.

In 1990, in Colorado, we had a U.S. Senate Democratic Party primary contest between the first Hispanic (a man) to seriously run and a woman county commissioner from Boulder.

Even though a minority, and even in the Democratic Party ... the party of liberalism, tolerance, diversity, etc., I never saw the hatred, the bitterness, the vileness directed at the Hispanic candidate from the women supporters of the woman candidate. I was a volunteer for the Hispanic fellow and this experience certainly had an impact on me.

I worked for and supported many female candidates in my lifetime and consider myself a feminist, but there is an indelible picture in my mind from that 1990 campaign of women with signs protesting in the most reprehensible language in front of the campaign headquarters of a very progressive Hispanic candidate.

Like I said I don't fully understand how this intolerant fanaticism comes out of allegedly liberal people, but you couple this trait with the viciousness of the Clinton machine and, I predict, we are going to see a level of political ugliness that will astonish and disgust a lot of folks.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:06 PM

213. Our Democratic Party, people; dividing us based on the color of our skin. Isn't it wonderful?

 

We have officially merged with the Republican Party.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:08 PM

214. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, CoffeeCat.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:57 PM

220. We Bernie supporters do not do that imbecile tea party crap.

Dolores Huerta just gave a Bernie promotion.

A typical tea party activity is banning posters who do not
agree with them. I have never been kicked off a thread
favorable to Bernie. I do not bother with HRC threads
because of their tea party tendencies.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:05 PM

223. This campaign is vile!

God forbid she wins the nomination.

There is no more guaranty of the repugs taking the WH than that. She will get beat by over 5 points for sure. People HATE her, and she is showing why they do with her disgusting behavior.
They will come out of the woodwork to make sure she is not president.

On top of that, she is alienating the very base she needs to compete. I haven't seen such a shit show since I was looking at the hogs at the farm.

God help us all! (And I am agnostic)

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:06 PM

224. the diff between my feelings for 3rdwayers and their rightwing cousins

 

becomes less by the day these days.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:21 PM

228. I continue to find astonishment at HRC's surrogate's willingness to tarnish/ruin

their well-earned reputations. It's kind of an interesting study in psychology.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:21 PM

229. This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame

eom

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:24 PM

230. Cat, when you slander all Clinton supporters you end up doing what you falsely accuse them...

...of doing. What is disturbing is that you can't see that.

"It is evident that Hillary Clinton and her supporters HATE Bernie Sanders supporters. They detest us. Winning is not enough. They want us destroyed. They'll lie to do it. They'll use esteemed civil-rights icons to do it. Whatever it takes."

That statement is highly disturbing to me, as a Clinton supporter. Don't slime all of us , and Hillary Clinton herself, for what one Clinton supporter has (allegedly) done.

That's how I feel.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #230)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:54 PM

238. Now you know how we feel when, among others,

a former Democratic president compares us to teabaggers

a former Sec of State says we women who support Sanders are damn to a special place in hell

an icon of feminism states that young women who support Sanders are just after boys

These aren't nuts trolling the net. They're principal players on the national scene.

It's far more than one who has really done this. Nothing alleged about it.

There's a pattern here and it stinks.



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Response to sarge43 (Reply #238)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:43 PM

244. They think the way to win elections is to mimic how the republican establishment operates

Understanding, that mostly that the DNC and that other party all have been getting a lot of their funds from the same people it's not really rocket science how it could be working

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Response to nolabels (Reply #244)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:48 PM

257. There you go again, nolables, slapping false labels on Clinton supporters and...

...accusing them of being Republicans in Democratic clothing. Shame on you.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #238)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:45 PM

256. Get a grip, sarge, we've been the subject of nasty attacked from the get-go...

...by Bernie supporters on DU. And no, I don't know how you feel, because I haven't been attacking Bernie supporters in the personal terms Bernie supporters have.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #256)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:18 PM

263. When Bernie and Jane begin to shit talk you and then expect for you to vote for them in the G.E.

you'll know how we are feeling.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:32 PM

235. Icons have feet of clay.

 

Children don't need to know that. Adults have no excuse for not knowing it.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:30 PM

240. it's still up on @DoloresHuerta

I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only! We fought too long & hard to be silenced Si Se Puede! #ImwithHer #NVcaucus

followed by @AmericaFerrera
Harrah's casino site- Bernie supporters chant "English-only" to stop civil rights leader @DoloresHuerta from providing Spanish translation.

the uncorrected version is still the whole first page of Google results and all the results on Facebook
they know what they're doing

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:39 PM

241. It sounded like a confusing situation SNOPES LINK:

and she could have made an honest mistake or believed it to be true. She doesn't hide the fact that she's for Hillary.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:39 PM

242. Their specialties are dirty hits...

BECAUSE they have..... NOTHING else by dirty rat-fucking tricks.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:43 PM

245. It is very disheartening that Bernie is being trashed..

so she can win. Hillary has the media and the establishment supporting her. Bernie just has us. If it comes down to having an anti-establishment Presidential pick vs. and pro-establishment pick, I would vote for the anti. Which means that probably would be who? The Donald? That would be awful, but what choice would I have. To not vote? I guess I will write in my pick (Bernie) and hope for the best.

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Response to Harriety (Reply #245)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:30 PM

252. Oh, how wonderfully hysterical!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:46 PM

246. I wish everyone would calm the fuck down about this

The video shows that Dolores Hureta did not hear Sander's supporters yelling, "English Only!" as she stated. You don't hear it on the video and now she's walking back her allegations-- that multiple witnesses in that caucus room have refuted.


There is video, shot by Bella Garcia, a Hillary supporter, in the audience, with Bella saying multiple times "Bernie is English Only". Maybe loud enough to Huerta to hear it on stage. Maybe not. But I think we need to give Delores the benefit of the doubt. She now knows it did not happen from a Bernie supporter, and she has admitted that. She needs to retweet a retraction and an apology to Bernie supporters, but it does NOT mean she necessarily lied.

Please everyone. Stop this crap. And the fact that she took money from the Hillary foundation, years ago, for her charity, does not make it a bribe, nor does it have to have anyting to do with this event. Lot's of charities take money...that's how they operate. They are not bribes and it's unfair to say this is why this happened.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:32 PM

253. I don't think she lied, the 85 year old icon heard angry white people yelling at her when she went

up to help. That's a fact.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #253)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:30 PM

261. She was volunteering to translate. If she thinks that "neutral" translates to "english only!"

 

Then she probably shouldn't.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #261)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:33 PM

272. DUzy!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:00 PM

258. Seems to me

 

That's all she's got. To try and discredit and destroy her competition is the MO. Her dear friend is Henry Kissenger. Why Souldnt she be drawing from this playbook?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:29 PM

264. It should be very disturbing to all of us.

She is a flawed candidate and she knows it. Her only recourse is dirty tricks and if she wins, we are all skrewed.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:43 PM

265. It's like "How DARE you say anything against her!"

 

We can't have honest discourse? The facts speak for themselves.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:55 PM

266. What she did was dishonorable

And she deserves to be held accountable

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Response to Don Draper (Reply #266)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:13 PM

289. Not so.

 

No LAHTEENAH or LAHTEENOH should be held accountable for anything.

Much like '24 business hours'.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:29 PM

271. She also simultaneously tweeted directly to @BernieSanders, shaming his supporters...

...and, by proxy (and publicly), him:

https://twitter.com/DoloresHuerta/status/701187840609128448

Haven't heard that addressed in the efforts to walk back/rework the narrative.

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Response to drokhole (Reply #271)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:30 AM

285. still up, before the purge

@BernieSanders Shame on your supporters for depriving Spanish speaking caucus goers of info they need for full participation! #NVcaucus

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Response to CoffeeCat (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:05 PM

288. I agree.

 

Our NATION agrees.

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