Hillary is going to have to do something to make herself more likeable I don't know what

[JRLeft]

she can do, but if she's the nominee she better come up with something.

Maybe some posters on DU have the answers.

The Republicans are running actual fascists, they're ready to give the entire country away right now.

[6chars]

1. people like a winner

don't worry about it. if she wins the nomination, her favorables will go up as a result of it.

[GoneOffShore]

62. Ya think? Not as much as she needs to win the election.

Too many people actually hate HRC and Bill.

They will vote against her in the GE, because of that.

[FrenchieCat]

73. Really?

Are these Republicans then?
Cause that's expected.

You think that Sanders will not be portrayed as a wild eye Socialist atheist
leading a revolution to increase taxes big time and give the US
government ran healthcare? You think that's gonna win more votes?
Seriously?


If he were the nominee?.... where 50% of US would NOT vote for a Socialist

and 42% won't vote for an atheist? You need at least 51% to win!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

Poll: Most Americans unwilling to vote for a socialist
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/poll-voters-socialist-atheist-catholic-119273#ixzz40kawBpua
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/poll-voters-socialist-atheist-catholic-119273

[cali]

100. Ill make a bet on that. Her favorables have a very low ceiling.

[malokvale77]

116. No.

Her favorables are what they are. Not good.

The way her campaign and supporters are acting, they are only going to get worse.

[peacebird]

2. You act like you think Americans are stupid? Why would ANYONE believe what Hillary says?

[JRLeft]

3. That's the problem.

[FrenchieCat]

54. It doesn't have to be a problem.....

because thus far on emails and Bengazhi, she' been found to be telling the truth.

As for Bernie Sanders, one could say that when he says what he wants to do for folks,
when he knows that he wouldn't be able to do so.....what does that make him?

My point is all of this is relative.....these accusations vs. the truth.

[JRLeft]

60. Sista I swear to you it's her Wall Street ties.

It's not the Republicans.

[hifiguy]

66. Don't forget her War Criminal pal Henry!

[FrenchieCat]

69. Guilt by association.....

that's is certainly what the GOP does....

Remember Obama and the Bill Ayers from 2008?

This is the same F*cking thing!

[hifiguy]

70. She called a man with the blood of millions of innocents on his hands

a "defender of human rights." Her own words.

[FrenchieCat]

74. Sanders' only foreign policy advisor is from the Reagan Administration....

but, oh....I'm sure you have no problems with Reagan anymore, right?

[hifiguy]

75. Kissinger is sui generis.

He should have been hanged for crimes against humanity 35 years ago. HE is one of the great butchers of the second half of the 20th century.

To this day there are countries in which he cannot set foot without the threat of being arrested as a war criminal.

[PonyUp]

97. Henry Kissinger, Wanted Man

Henry Kissinger’s dark past seems to be enclosing around him as various countries in South America and Europe have sought to question him about actions taken by the Nixon and Ford administrations in which Kissinger was National Security Adviser and Secretary of State respectively.

The latest move to question Kissinger was by Peter Tatchell, a British human rights activist. While Kissinger was speaking in Britain at the UK’s Institute of Directors annual conference on April 24, Tatchell attempted to have him arrested for committing war crimes under the Geneva Conventions Act.

Judge Nicholas Evans at the Bow Street magistrates’ court rejected Tatchell’s request because Tatchell did not present enough evidence implicating Kissinger to war crimes. However, according to Tatchell, the judge left the door open for future attempts to arrest the former U.S. official if suitable evidence is presented.



http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/04/28/henry-kissinger-wanted-man/

[hifiguy]

99. And he will be on Her Majesty's speed-dial

in the ghastly event she makes it to the WH.

[hifiguy]

21. I can honestly say that the only presidential candidate I have seen

in my political lifetime (starting 1972) who is as mendacious, slippery, opportunistic and unprincipled as HRH was Richard M. Nixon. Both felt entitled to the office and would/will say or do anything necessary to get it, for its own sake, as a sort of lifetime achievement award. They are two peas in a pod.

There's nothing she can "do" - that is who and what she is.

[FrenchieCat]

29. That's what I'm talking about right there....

pure hate and name calling, generalization and assumptions.....

[hifiguy]

32. Hardly. A cool-headed descrpition/analysis

based on many years of observation. I call them as I see them.

She is welded at the hip to the plutocracy and the MIC. She counts a notorious war criminal among her advisers. She embodies neoliberal economics and a neocon, imperialistic foreign policy. She is corrupt to the core and will sell out anyone or anything if it redounds to her personal benefit. The record could hardly be more clear.

And you rebut not one word of my conclusions.

[Armstead]

71. Off topic, but could you consider removing that turd way thing?

I often agree with you but that is just yuck

[Politicalboi]

33. Pure hate?

Then tell her to STOP lying. We ALL want to support Hillary, but there's too much BS to have to support or defend.

[scscholar]

38. Never seen proof of this so-called lying

Well, other than "proof" on Faux Knews.

[Politicalboi]

56. Wow

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Sniper Fire ANYONE?????

Laugh if you must, but she IS a pathological liar.

[840high]

85. Starting with sniper fire - I have

all her lies listed.

[scscholar]

91. So one event is in question...

and you have nothing else? Nothing else? See what I mean about never seeing any facts?

[840high]

92. I see you enjoy keeping

your head in the sand.

[scscholar]

93. So you have *no* evidence? Thanks for admitting you don't by...

not providing any. Those Republicans have done this for three decades against her and came away with nothing. Away with nothing.

[PonyUp]

114. Let's see...sniper fire, all her grandparents were immigrants, named after Sir Edmond Hillary,

dead broke when left White House, instrumental in Northern Ireland peace process, etc.
Too easy.

[Fawke Em]

98. We ALL want to support her?

Scratching my head on that one.

[JRLeft]

67. We'll disagree on the reason she's not liked, but I love you anyway.

[CorporatistNation]

63. Tricky Dickie Is A "Piker" Compared To Hillary!

The die is cast... She could swear on the bible and NEVER EVER tell the tiniest fib...

AND ABSOLUTELY NOT A SOUL WOULD... BELIEVE HER!

[hifiguy]

65. I wouldn't say Nixon was a piker compared to her.

But they are cut from identical cloth. Make it a push/toss-up.

[Nedsdag]

4. Expect the secret weapon to make her political debut in commercials and on the campaign trail.

He granddaughter.

[hifiguy]

34. I sincerely hope you are joking.

[Nedsdag]

77. I'm as serious as a heart attack

The "beloved granddaughter" meme melts hearts.

You don't think Hillary's camp won't use this?

[Madam Mossfern]

109. As a grandmother myself

it doesn't melt my heart. Her offspring managed to breed. There's no special achievement in being a grandma.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Perhaps, she is actually likeable enough, as Barack Obama had said....

Plus we are not children, and she is not running to be our BFFs.....

Perhaps if folks actually understood that this woman has been accused of murder and
more going way back, and being attacked by Republicans, and why that is....
Perhaps understanding where the original shit came from,
they would be less willing in partake in it. Perhaps if folks stop the demagoguery
which is normally Republican territory!

Here something I wrote on the Clinton history,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110738887

[JonLeibowitz]

6. I would like it if H supporters did not assume those who distrust her are doing so based on RW

talking points.

A bit of intellectual honesty and respect for those who have vetted both of our candidates would be appreciated.

[JRLeft]

9. I agree with you.

[FrenchieCat]

11. I think that this primary built on what the GOP started....

and many young folks don't even know why,
as many simply believe the demagogues without looking much further.

[JonLeibowitz]

15. I think you could not be more wrong. And there you go again, assuming things about us....

Not appreciated.

[FrenchieCat]

20. Many is not you....

as you can only speak for yourself....
not all youth,
and I can say many, because what I do know is they were not alive at the time
or not aware at the time...most of them, anyways!

[JonLeibowitz]

23. You can't speak for them either, but then you proceed to do so...

As a young person myself, I can speak for my generation a heck of a lot better than you can with your assumptions.

[FrenchieCat]

28. I'm not speaking for anyone but myself....

and certainly not for Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton supporters,
or anyone else.

I have children who are 25 and 28.....
and I know that they have a limited understanding as to what happened
in the 1990s, because they were not actually aware of what was going on at the time....

So mine is a reasonable observation,

but hey, you know....part of the reason I stay out of here is because reasonable conversation
is very difficult to find.

[JonLeibowitz]

35. No.

You are speaking for others, when you say:

I think that this primary built on what the GOP started....

and many young folks don't even know why,
as many simply believe the demagogues without looking much further.

As a young person who has read Stiglitz and Piketty your comment is offensive. The young people in my generation who back Bernie understand the social policies of European countries and wonder why it cannot be replicated here. We see Hillary speaking against these sensible policies and wonder why. Some of us then see who is financially backing her and completely understand.

It is certainly not conducive to a reasonable conversation to make such broad claims about us young people based on your two children; imagine if I made a similar comment based on the conversations I have had with my black barber and cousin, and extrapolated to the entire population? I'd be called out on it, and quickly!

Perhaps consider why it is difficult for you to find a reasonable conversation here?

[FrenchieCat]

47. Many are not you.....so what you have read doesn't have much to do with my statement....

as I am not here to make any conversation that I'm having right down personal,
but you understand, I'm sure, that you do not speak for all youth,
just like I don't speak for all Democrats, women, immigrants or Black folks!

[davidn3600]

18. Those young folks are the future

And I assure you that you WILL lose the White House if you continue to insult and marginalize them.

[FrenchieCat]

24. You can find insults where you want to find them....

that's easy!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110738887

[JRLeft]

31. Actually it started with her being too close to Wall Street.

If she was a better campaigner she might have been able to distance herself from that issue. Regardless she's the likely nominee, but she has some ground to make up.

[FrenchieCat]

53. How was she "close".....?

the fact that they were some her New York constituents? And?

Why did Sanders vote no on the Brady Bill 5 times?

[JonLeibowitz]

55. The fact that many Wall St firms back her over Sanders in the primary.

Note that the Brady Bill was clearly anti-LGBTQ.

[Live and Learn]

87. Did the GOP make her vote for the IWR??? Did the force her to campaign for the TPP???

Quit making excuses for her little 'mistakes'.

[840high]

95. +10

[JRLeft]

7. I hope so, she needs to change her unfavorable and favorables.

If it's Trump or Cruz those 2 clowns will give her an historic victory. Kasich is a different animal.

[FrenchieCat]

36. Well, it will be really up to those who

will have to decide whether they care more about others and this country,
or whether they care more about "teaching a lesson"....

they will hold the key.....

but from what I'm seeing right now, like here, http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1288597

I think I see the priority of some.

I will also say that Republicans voters during the SC primary on television
saying THEY WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR TRUMP if he was their nominee...
so there's that as well!

[JRLeft]

44. It's a scary time right now.

[Live and Learn]

88. It's not 'teaching a lesson', it is about not enabling. The addiction to big money needs some tough

[Live and Learn]

10. Perhaps if she didn't vote for the illegal Iraq War which killed hundreds of thousands.

[Politicalboi]

49. Oh That AGAIN!

Funny how some forget small details of ones career.

[Politicalboi]

45. Some of us are old enough to know

She/they brought most of it on themselves. Her lying about the sniper fire gets me banned from the Bubble, but it was the TRUTH!!!!
I don't like to be lied to, even if the story has nothing to do with me. It shows she can't help herself to lie. She's a pathological liar. It's a sickness is what she has.

[DesertRat]

8. She seems very likeable to me

Imo, she comes across as warm and likeable, but strong and tough enough to take on the onslaught of attacks by Republicans. But ultimately we are electing a leader, not a new friend.

[JRLeft]

13. She doesn't to me, but I can get past. I don't like her at all.

The Supreme Court is the main reason I will back her if she's the nominee.

[DesertRat]

41. We all have different perceptions

Bernie's delivery and mannerisms totally turn me off, and Hillary is someone who I could see as a friend.

BUT, we absolutely agree on the Supreme Court. The presidency lasts for 4 years. The Supreme Court is for a generation.
We need to make sure that the R's don't win the presidency and we need to fight hard to also elect Dems to Congress.

[hifiguy]

22. She has always struck me as ice-cold, ruthless and calculating.

Even back in 1992.

[Politicalboi]

52. Me too

And there have been stories from those who worked for her. I wish they would pop up.

[hifiguy]

58. She strikes me as someone for whom it would be pure hell to work.

[treestar]

61. typically said of career women back then and

women in power at this point. People who aren't in self control and "calculating" can't win these elections anyway. She's running for POTUS, not Grandma of the Year.

[hifiguy]

64. I went to an elite law school and half of my classmates were women

back in the 1980s. Some had the HRH hard, cryonic glow, most did not. What I see in her is a reflection of her, not of "career women."

[Lil Missy]

12. Looks like she is doing just fine. she's winning. and,

Those who don't like her are never going to like her, no matter what she does. So she might as well continue doing whatever she's doing.

A small but very vocal contingency on du insisting she can't win the GE doesn’t make it so. Conventional wisdom says just the opposite is true.

[JRLeft]

14. You need the other people to win the GE. Don't forget that.

[FrenchieCat]

40. of course, and that goes without saying....

and I will say that anyone has the right to do what they feel is their priority.....

[JRLeft]

46. If republicans gain the white house, it's game over.

[Lil Missy]

42. The majority of Democrats will support the nominee. happens every presidential election.

Not to be confused with anti Hillary voices on du, who represent barely a fraction of registered democratic members.

[jeff47]

103. Democrats are only 30% of the electorate. You don't win with a majority of 30%.

And independents dislike Clinton only slightly less than Republicans.

[marybourg]

16. I find her sufficiently

likable to be my president.

If Bernie Sanders' partisans on this board (and I find him sufficiently likable to be my president also) would forbear from constantly disparaging her in every way conceivable, we will not have to fight the "likability" battle after her probable nomination.

WE HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY and in this instance they are definitely US, D.U.. Support your candidate, but stop demonizing the other candidate of YOUR OWN party. That's the issue; not her "likability". She not running for Miss Congeniality.

[JRLeft]

17. I cannot stand her but I will vote and donate to her campaign in order to keep the fascists out of

the white house.

A lot people will not vote for someone they do not like. It's stupid and shallow but real.

[davidn3600]

19. Hillary won't get a penny for me

If she needs money, she ask her rich Wall Street supporters.

[JRLeft]

25. You're one of the many who don't trust or like her.

Many are at the point where they rather burn down the barn to save it.

[Live and Learn]

89. She can pay for her own campaign with all those GS dollars. nt

[Logical]

72. Really? You think her unlikable factor is because of the DU? nt

[whatchamacallit]

26. Window dressing won't improve the product n/t

[Art_from_Ark]

120. I learned that from Fractured Fairy Tales

[Waiting For Everyman]

27. Not short of a brain transplant. nt

[Politicalboi]

30. No, we need to get tougher with her

We need to make the cracks appear before the GOP do. She needs to come clean or get out. It's not bashing her, it's truth. That's ALL we need to do, is throw the truth at her, and watch her sink or swim.

[wildeyed]

37. I like her fine!

I don't like cranky old guys who shake their finger at me and shout, but I will suck it up and learn to like that if he is the GE nom.

Stop and think why it is always women who have to work at being "likable". There is a bit of a double standard at play here, IMO. Maybe she is not at fault. Perhaps it is your own bias that is the cause of the problem.

[all american girl]

111. Thank you wildeyed. No one says this about Bernie, and he yells all the time.

I personally don't have a problem with it, but damn, this is becoming Mad Men territory. But what do I know, I'm just a woman who has been told to smile right, be nice and not too angry, and don't make some people uncomfortable.

[Ken Burch]

39. I started a thread about one way she could do that:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511280823

[Robbins]

43. no she doesn't

establishment has defeated progressive results.establishment doesn't care if she or trump wins.

[senz]

48. Heart transplant? Brain transplant? Soul transplant?

There must be something.

[Broward]

50. We could be looking at a conservative (Hillary) v. a fascist.

Most of us lose either way. When the hell are the people in this country going to wake up?

[hifiguy]

68. You have struck the friction-fastening device squarely with the

human-powered driving tool.

[dsc]

51. the only thing which would work for all too many people is growing a penis

[ebayfool]

81. That's just as insulting as saying people vote for her because she has a vagina, you know.

Talk about double standards around here!

[dsc]

83. the fact is that she is the victim of a huge double standard

the fact is male politicians don't get criticized for ambition, she does.

[hifiguy]

84. There's a difference between ambition and pure ruthless desire for power.

Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama were ambitious. Richard Nixon and the Clintons were/are ruthless.

Big difference there.

[ebayfool]

86. Which doesn't address why you think it's ok to insinuate others vote for a penis.

It's insulting to them that have 'em, and them that vote on the issues as they see them.
You can't have it both ways. Both remarks - voting for the penis and voting for the vagina are sexist.

And the criticism she gets is not for her ambition, but rather how far and the lengths to goes to to satisfy that ambition.

That criticism applies to both genders. But some people would rather dismiss it with sexist putdowns.

Fact.

[all american girl]

112. But this is about how Hillary makes herself more "likeble"...how is that not sexist?

[ebayfool]

113. Shouldn't you ask the OP? The same question could apply to male or female, so no - not sexist.

I know both unlikeable men and women. Don't you?


I was responding to someone else:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511288283#post51

[beachbumbob]

57. Compared to Donald trump she is a sweet old grandma...

She is plenty likeable to keep the whitehouse from falling into a maniacs hands

[LiberalElite]

59. There's nothing she can do nt

[FrenchieCat]

76. Because it isn't her to begin with...

it is us.

[dragonfly301]

106. No it's her

I'll be blunt - she's not trustworthy.

[redstateblues]

78. She'll be a lot more likable running against a Republican

especially Trump

[bkkyosemite]

79. Disgusting and Disrespectful:

"a wild eye Socialist atheist
leading a revolution to increase taxes big time and give the US
government ran healthcare?

[FrenchieCat]

80. Here, You lost something.....

The context of what you quoted.....

You think that Sanders will not be portrayed as a wild eye Socialist atheist
leading a revolution to increase taxes big time and give the US
government ran healthcare? You think that's gonna win more votes?

[napi21]

82. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't dislike Hillary.

I just like Bernie more. If she wins the nomination, I really believe she'll get most of the Dem vote in the General. Sure some will have to hold their nose, but look at the opposition! Look at what stands in the balance, based completely on which party wins the WH. The SCOTUS. Immigration. Women's rights to HC & equal pay. Voting rights. Police brutality against minorities. The list goes on and on.

I'm still hoping for Bernie, but apparently the Clinton relationship with minorities for so many years is paying off big, and i'm not sure Bernie can overcome that.

All I can say is, THERE MUST BE A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT ELECTED IN NOVEMBER 2016!!!

[2pooped2pop]

90. Yep, if Hillary wind

We all lose.

[Ferd Berfel]

94. MAybe if she barks like a dog more

[Beacool]

96. Compared to whom should she be more "likeable"?

To the orange faced narcissist with a talent for insulting everybody or to the cranky "democratic" Socialist who wags his finger endlessly and is always shouting?

Guess what? Plenty of people like Hillary just fine.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

101. I'd downright admire her if she dropped out of the race.

But, if she changed her mind, I still wouldn't vote for her.

[kgnu_fan]

102. If she stops lying, that is the start...I used to like her but now my love is fading

[Maedhros]

104. Resign from politics? [n/t]

[randome]

105. After the Primary, most people will take a fresh look at the actual nominees.

Most of the rumor-mongering and hatred leveled at one candidate or the other will disappear. Except for some die-hards on DU.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[Tarc]

107. Hillary doesn't have to kiss your ass for votes, I'm afraid

What you chose to do after Sanders concedes in a few weeks is entirely up to you; either follow his lead when he endorses Clinton, or take your ball an stay home.

[Vote2016]

108. I think it's too late but she should try.

[mikehiggins]

110. Okay, here's my alert bait...

Why does ANYONE who supports Sanders reply to ANYTHING posted by ANY HRC supporter?

It is obvious that there is no point to arguing with them AND that there is NO CHANCE of winning them over to our side. There is no point to trying to fight their positions and attacks with reason OR proof of any kind. Most like seeing us try just makes them giggle. Stop wasting your time.

You know who they are, and when they reappear as new names, it isn't hard to figure out their game. Just don't play anymore. If you want to post positive items about OUR candidate or stuff like that, feel free. Participate in one of those endless debates with people who deliberately deny what is in front of their eyes is just not worth it.

Anyone who posts attacks on Sanders of any kind will be placed on my ignore list as soon as possible.

I suspect time I spend on DU will be much more positive as a result.

Put them all on ignore and continue on.

[PonyUp]

118. Thanks. I'm going to take your advice starting now. Building my ignore list. nt

[kstewart33]

115. Margaret Thatcher, the 'Iron Lady' was as likable as a horned toad.

She won in a landslide and did more for her party's causes than any of the 'charismatic' prime ministers who followed her.

[John Poet]

117. She could withdraw from the race....

I'd like her more if she put the party and the country
ahead of herself.

Of course, she would NEVER put anything ahead of her own interests.

Maybe we'll get lucky, and she'll be removed from this race in handcuffs.

[Live and Learn]

119. Could she stop LYING? I doubt it. nt