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I wonder if the Black vote was what sealed the deal (Original Post) bravenak Feb 2016 OP
It will be interesting to see the breakdown mcar Feb 2016 #1
Yep bravenak Feb 2016 #8
Enjoy your imperfect relationship! TCJ70 Feb 2016 #2
That is one truly fucked-up thing to say. Codeine Feb 2016 #3
Just reinforces why AAs don't care for Sanders... woolldog Feb 2016 #6
Don't say that, because a lot of us do. JRLeft Feb 2016 #16
and heaven05 Feb 2016 #153
And a lot of us won't show up in the GE for her. (I will it be my last gift to democratic party) JRLeft Feb 2016 #155
don't heaven05 Feb 2016 #162
I said I will vote for her. That went over your head for some reason. JRLeft Feb 2016 #164
yep heaven05 Feb 2016 #165
You too, don't take my dislike of Hillary as a swipe at you it's not. JRLeft Feb 2016 #167
I'm not heaven05 Feb 2016 #170
Both parties are corrupt to the core that is people are leaving both parties in droves. JRLeft Feb 2016 #171
true heaven05 Feb 2016 #172
We may have to start another party, the democratic party not be JRLeft Feb 2016 #173
THIS Black cares for Sanders. What do you say about me? johnlucas Feb 2016 #41
Sanders is a fraud. woolldog Feb 2016 #46
So, the fraud is someone who even with debts refuses to take "gifts" (BRIBES!) to speak for them?... cascadiance Feb 2016 #70
He's an irresponsible spendthrift in his personal life woolldog Feb 2016 #72
He never got $156,000,000 in speaking fees from corrupt, nation-wrecking institutions. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #90
Well, if he had just ONE Goldman Sachs speech fee payment he'd then be rich... cascadiance Feb 2016 #91
I trust him more than I trust someone that says she'll never lie to the American nc4bo Feb 2016 #71
Do your research brother. You're wrong. johnlucas Feb 2016 #79
Congratulations whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #87
woolldog, 2 O's, 2 L's. Got it. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #89
and? woolldog Feb 2016 #93
What a stupid post. Was that some kind of threat Number23 Feb 2016 #138
I'm he's implying that the homie is taking 2 l's aka loses. JRLeft Feb 2016 #157
His Net Worth is Reported to be 500K+ cureautismnow Feb 2016 #97
What's with the Soviet Hillary icon? nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #194
I think it look cool. nt woolldog Feb 2016 #195
I like Sanders. I can't stand his arrogant, rude, and often racist supporters. They're no better Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #146
that is counterproductive heaven05 Feb 2016 #156
Whatever you think. I do what I want when I want. I don't need to be lectured to. My primary Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #159
NO heaven05 Feb 2016 #163
Hillary supporters have the same issues, she had plenty of racists on her side. JRLeft Feb 2016 #158
And you know I've spoken on that repeatedly, ad nauseum. Frankly I'm tired of talking about HRC Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #160
Hillary will be the nominee that's a given. I will support her in the GE, and then JRLeft Feb 2016 #161
I was a Green for many years. I'm one of those Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #176
Results... Major Nikon Feb 2016 #175
Thanks. With all due respect, we've been discussing Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #177
It's a big party with a big tent. You're gonna see some fools in it. Look at the big picture johnlucas Feb 2016 #179
I appreciate this in fairness. Thank you. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #180
No problem, my brother. It's all about respect. johnlucas Feb 2016 #181
I'm very much a girl. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #189
I apologize, my sister. I made a hasty assumption based on your profile pic johnlucas Feb 2016 #190
No worries! Ironically, Trayvon Martin's parents are supporting HRC. However, I've had this avatar Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #191
They just don't know her background well enough. They're simply committed to getting a Dem Prez johnlucas Feb 2016 #192
I actually agree with you in general. They may or may not know everything about the two candidates. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #193
Anecdotal!? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #184
Nah. I wouldn't say that. There's a lot like me out here. johnlucas Feb 2016 #185
Some do and some don't. wildeyed Feb 2016 #47
I am an AA who leaned towards Bernie. Nedsdag Feb 2016 #104
Why? TCJ70 Feb 2016 #9
Black unemployment back to where it was ubder Bill? I'LL TAKE IT!! bravenak Feb 2016 #4
You like 42%? They don't count the incarcerated. cureautismnow Feb 2016 #107
Oh please with the propaganda bravenak Feb 2016 #112
Is it Propaganda when it comes from her own mouth? cureautismnow Feb 2016 #117
You think i dont know this? bravenak Feb 2016 #119
Not exactly radical noodle Feb 2016 #113
Bill apologized later for the effect of this law cureautismnow Feb 2016 #127
worthless apology heaven05 Feb 2016 #168
There's no reason for you to deride bravenak's OP. MerryBlooms Feb 2016 #19
The results are in: Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #23
Woah... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #28
And survived! Woot! Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #37
What is it JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #120
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #56
Every vote counts. FarPoint Feb 2016 #5
Me too. I'm proud of them bravenak Feb 2016 #10
I think if not sealed, but certainly had to play a major role. MerryBlooms Feb 2016 #7
Me too I was surprised at the turnout bravenak Feb 2016 #12
Yes, indeedy! MerryBlooms Feb 2016 #24
In my precinct, along with two others: brush Feb 2016 #11
Oh boy!!! bravenak Feb 2016 #15
It certainly was a big help KingFlorez Feb 2016 #13
Yeap!! bravenak Feb 2016 #21
According to MSNBC's Steve Kornacki the Latino vote was supposed to oasis Feb 2016 #14
I was shocked at the projected latino numbers bravenak Feb 2016 #17
Hill said in the recent town hall she wanted an early nomination so oasis Feb 2016 #31
Oh good I am THRILLED! bravenak Feb 2016 #33
"get started on her proposals"? I thought she already had them. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #130
Implementation. oasis Feb 2016 #132
She can implement things without BEING president? Ken Burch Feb 2016 #134
She and Bill can line up her potential cabinet etc. oasis Feb 2016 #135
She couldn't have done that in the first place? Ken Burch Feb 2016 #137
Hill had no hard plans on running in 2016. She likely oasis Feb 2016 #144
He should give Bernie supporters some time, a lot of them hate her. JRLeft Feb 2016 #20
From now until November with Ted Cruz and the SCOTUS as oasis Feb 2016 #39
Wait... I thought that the Latino vote went in Sanders' favor?? Number23 Feb 2016 #128
DU polls are unreliable. Especially the polls made up of DU membership. oasis Feb 2016 #129
No, I mean that stories have been posted over and over that say that Sanders won the Number23 Feb 2016 #131
It may have had something to do with Harry Reid getting on oasis Feb 2016 #133
I think the Black vote will win her a lot ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #18
I see AA precincts went heavily hillary bravenak Feb 2016 #27
And I am in no way surprised by this. ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #36
Me too. I'm right there with you bravenak Feb 2016 #40
MSNBC states Bernies support strength was rural white. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #22
Not really surprising bravenak Feb 2016 #25
Please explain to me why Clinton is better than Sanders malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #26
I cannot explain bravenak Feb 2016 #29
If you want me to vote Clinton you need to explain. malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #32
I do not care who you vote for tho bravenak Feb 2016 #38
No you just would rather vote for someone who's been saying "No We Can't" when asked to do change! cascadiance Feb 2016 #78
I dont read lectures bravenak Feb 2016 #80
No one's asking you to. cascadiance Feb 2016 #82
His lack of skills at community organizing and building a diverse coalition bravenak Feb 2016 #85
Well if many like you are just trying to spread hate towards him then that doesn't help does it! cascadiance Feb 2016 #95
There have been plenty of discussions in DU radical noodle Feb 2016 #110
I am just giving the gifts that are given to me bravenak Feb 2016 #111
Vote. Its been and still is a struggle to vote, more so for POC. Iliyah Feb 2016 #63
they have better connections in the black community JI7 Feb 2016 #35
Policies malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #42
policies are about the same. especially when you consider what they can do JI7 Feb 2016 #48
I'll tell you..... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #62
the Clintons know they need the black community more than JI7 Feb 2016 #30
The need to keep that thought at the front of their minds bravenak Feb 2016 #45
yeah. although that had more to do with love for Obama JI7 Feb 2016 #60
I think she is way better than bill bravenak Feb 2016 #64
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #34
Yep...so fast it'll make your head spin. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #49
Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #61
Neither will he,lol bravenak Feb 2016 #44
Second time someone inferred we won't get what we expect JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #124
Exactly bravenak Feb 2016 #125
No citation but tweets I read... Rose Siding Feb 2016 #50
Whooooooo!!!! bravenak Feb 2016 #51
This is WAY better isn't it??!!!! Rose Siding Feb 2016 #53
YES bravenak Feb 2016 #58
I can't quite... Rose Siding Feb 2016 #74
I am trying so hard to leave but I keep giggling and looking at more posts and... bravenak Feb 2016 #75
ok but this! Rose Siding Feb 2016 #83
DAMN!!!! bravenak Feb 2016 #84
OMG rbrnmw Feb 2016 #98
Pulled this off the tweeter earlier today. wildeyed Feb 2016 #52
This is nice bravenak Feb 2016 #54
Better than Iowa! wildeyed Feb 2016 #59
Oh god, me too bravenak Feb 2016 #65
Updated: Clinton had MASSIVE lead among black voters. wildeyed Feb 2016 #69
OMG!! bravenak Feb 2016 #73
I think Hispanics and black votes. See what happens in more diverse states? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #55
Yep bravenak Feb 2016 #57
The Koch brothers are smiling at your comments and feel like they've won their drive to olgarchy! cascadiance Feb 2016 #96
Ditto Iliyah Feb 2016 #66
+1 treestar Feb 2016 #86
According to Kornacki, blacks to Clinton, Hispanics to Sanders. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #101
Entrance Poll noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #103
The exit polls may have been wrong. It appears that Clinton won the Hispanic vote there as well Number23 Feb 2016 #140
That's a pretty stark discrepancy with the entrance polls. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #143
He didn't win Hispanics last night. He started off doing very well earlier on in the day. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #145
Yeah, I've seen some very disparate claims since then. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #147
I don't think we'll know because it's difficult to analyze Latino turnout and actual levels of Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #148
She certainly should have. I was quite dubious about the polls saying he'd tied her going into NV Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #149
If so, then congratulations on your vote to promote a LOWER raise in the minimum wage! cascadiance Feb 2016 #67
She via her surrogates lied about that too. There were campaign pamphlets in NV promoting nc4bo Feb 2016 #76
We tied our to the inflation rate ip here so get on your states to do the same bravenak Feb 2016 #77
According to 538 it is vdogg Feb 2016 #68
Its getting real!!! bravenak Feb 2016 #81
I'm good with that! FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #88
I'm gonna ask a blunt question here. DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #92
I think your error may be in assuming AA voters are voting against Sanders. Codeine Feb 2016 #102
Well I asked a question about socialism. DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #105
I think it could be quite different. Codeine Feb 2016 #109
What?! Hillary Clinton's skin is white... she has the same "limitations" he does... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #186
AA and Latinos poll higher than whites in approval of socialism and disapproval of capitalism Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #114
You make a good point forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #150
no. there is racism against blacks in Cuba JI7 Feb 2016 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #94
It looks like, yes. According to entrance polls Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #99
I figured it would happen like this bravenak Feb 2016 #121
76-22 firebrand80 Feb 2016 #100
I guess that talk of firewall is real bravenak Feb 2016 #126
Harry Reid sealed the deal Armstead Feb 2016 #106
. bravenak Feb 2016 #122
Nevada? Maybe. But... zappaman Feb 2016 #108
Sweden's system wont work here bravenak Feb 2016 #116
Sealed the deal whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #118
. bravenak Feb 2016 #123
Bravenak, by every account, blacks and Hispanics delivered Nevada to Clinton Number23 Feb 2016 #136
I KNEW something was off!! bravenak Feb 2016 #139
"I used to think it was issues that drove Bernie; now I think it is his rage." Number23 Feb 2016 #141
Perfect quote. Thats how I see him too. bravenak Feb 2016 #142
Once I started reading his press releases wildeyed Feb 2016 #151
Thank you!!! bravenak Feb 2016 #152
Same here. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #169
20% !? really nice uponit7771 Feb 2016 #187
According to the census data, Black or African American alone, percent, 2014 (a) 9.1% Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #154
Based on the entrance poll, 19% of voters were Latino, 13% African American, BUT onenote Feb 2016 #166
Yes. wildeyed Feb 2016 #174
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Feb 2016 #178
Girl... YOU ... ARE.... BAD...heh heh... sigh... I'mma sit back and just read the post come SC uponit7771 Feb 2016 #182
I need to keep a low pro until then after today bravenak Feb 2016 #183
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #188
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
155. And a lot of us won't show up in the GE for her. (I will it be my last gift to democratic party)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:07 PM
Feb 2016
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
162. don't
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

You will be slap in the face of all who died so you could make at least make that choice . Those following your path and ALL those like you? You'll get who you're really voting for or not and will leave no room for your and the rest like you to be whining and moaning down the road. Don't vote. Don't care. At least my 'mark' on the ballot will be a personal victory for me and many throughout this country who died trying to change it's sordid and sad historical hypocrisy and racism.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
165. yep
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:29 PM
Feb 2016

Didn't get that in your "gift" statement. My inability to understand intent. My mistake. I move on. Have a good day.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
170. I'm not
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:49 PM
Feb 2016

I'm still deciding myself between these two nominees. Since 1970 I've had to hold my disdain and disgust for the RW at bay. And each time they won or stole an election my fears as to who they are, sociopathic racists was felt, by me, to be true. Democrats and our Party at least recognize the problems yet really are part of the problem, sometimes. Just on principle I will always vote for our nominee because there is a small hope in the recesses of my soul that one will one day live up to their promises. I'm still waiting.........peace to you

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
171. Both parties are corrupt to the core that is people are leaving both parties in droves.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:52 PM
Feb 2016

Eventually an independent will win the white house and independents will win multiple seats in Congress.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
172. true
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:56 PM
Feb 2016

And who knows, it's possible if we can take back our power as voter from the corrupt and rich and powerful who are also corrupted.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
41. THIS Black cares for Sanders. What do you say about me?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:41 PM
Feb 2016

I'm done with the Clintons.
I'm glad Obama shut her down in 2008.
If only he followed through with what his campaign started.
But Bernie is using Obama's 2008 campaign to save this party from itself.

Blacks who subscribe to the "Conventional Wisdom" that Blacks don't care for Sanders are in for a rude awakening.
Don't think that Hillary has all Blacks sewn up.
As much as I respect John Lewis & I'm gonna hafta go against him.
Erica Garner, daughter of the late Eric Garner, endorsed Bernie Sanders.
Nina Turner is backing Bernie Sanders.
Killer Mike is behind Bernie Sanders.
And there's a lot more where that came from.

See you in South Carolina.
John Lucas

P.S.: OH! How could I leave out the legendary Harry Belafonte?
He endorses Bernie too.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
46. Sanders is a fraud.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:44 PM
Feb 2016

Name one significant thing he's done in the Senate for blacks or anyone else? He makes 175k a year and has no assets and 65k in credit card debt. We're supposed to trust him with the country's finances? He can't win the general election. He's wasting everyone's time and needs to drop out, the sooner the better

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
70. So, the fraud is someone who even with debts refuses to take "gifts" (BRIBES!) to speak for them?...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:00 PM
Feb 2016

... and do other "favors" for them? I think you have a bit of confusion on who is engaged in the fraud here!

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
72. He's an irresponsible spendthrift in his personal life
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:04 PM
Feb 2016

and his policies reflect that. Easy attack for the GOP in the General Election.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
91. Well, if he had just ONE Goldman Sachs speech fee payment he'd then be rich...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:16 PM
Feb 2016

... and not an "irresponsible spendthrift" which you are labeling him as. I much rather would have someone represent me that has a lot of debt like so many other people in this country who are also in debt which you are also accusing of being irresponsible with that "critique". Someone who APPEARS "responsible" just because they have tons of money given to them to do their bidding I trust a LOT LESS as do many other people in this country who are polled to trust Bernie a lot more.

His policies reflect that shared concern for what affects most Americans who've been screwed the last few decades, not the few privileged that seem to feel the need to push to get her elected now.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
71. I trust him more than I trust someone that says she'll never lie to the American
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

people then gets caught in a cavern full of lies.

Oh wait......she said LIE not deceive.......big difference. Not.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
79. Do your research brother. You're wrong.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:07 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary ain't your friend.

Here's a video you need to see.
Hillary Clinton in Black History



Every part of this video is sourced & can be tracked back.

Hillary will not win the Democratic nomination no matter HOW much she stacks the deck.
Bernie is the REAL DEAL.

Here's another video for you. Pictures always speak louder than words. Live video speaks even louder.
Bernie Sanders & Hillary Clinton Over The Years: Then vs. Now


John Lucas

P.S.: Oh! Hold on. One more.
Erica Garner endorsement of Bernie Sanders for President

Number23

(24,544 posts)
138. What a stupid post. Was that some kind of threat
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016

or was he just checking to make sure that he spelled your name correctly on his Christmas list??!

cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
97. His Net Worth is Reported to be 500K+
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:24 PM
Feb 2016

How can that be if he has no assets?

"Bernie Sanders’ net worth is $528,014."

http://moneynation.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth/

OTOH, after her unsuccessful 2008 campaign, SHE had up to 65K in CREDIT CARD debt.

"They did, however, have up to $65,000 in credit card debt."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/06/09/the-clintons-left-the-white-house-in-debt-wait-what/

As for one significant thing done in the Senate for Blacks, that's easy: S 815 - Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013

There's plenty more where that came from.

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/3/employment-and-affirmative-action#.Vsj0lcc2jRo

Bernie went to jail for defending discrimination against African-Americans, while young Hillary was bouncing around with Goldwater and the Young Republicans.



 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
146. I like Sanders. I can't stand his arrogant, rude, and often racist supporters. They're no better
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:26 AM
Feb 2016

than HRC fanatics were in 2008.

I'm black and neither candidate has earned my vote.

If Bernie is the nominee by the time we get to my April 26th primary, I have promised to vote for him.

If HRC is the nominee by then, I won't vote for either candidate---leaving the presidential selection blank and voting down ticket only.

I've stated this repeatedly and I've been quite consistent.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
156. that is counterproductive
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:09 PM
Feb 2016

If the devil ended up our Democratic Party nominee? Would have my vote instead of your route.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
159. Whatever you think. I do what I want when I want. I don't need to be lectured to. My primary
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:11 PM
Feb 2016

isn't until April 26th. I have time to decide whether or not I want to support Bernie Sanders.

And if I don't, deal with it!

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
160. And you know I've spoken on that repeatedly, ad nauseum. Frankly I'm tired of talking about HRC
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

because I've been doing that seemingly non-stop.

And I've already told you many times that this is about convincing ME to support Bernie Sanders. It's not about Hillary Clinton. It's not about black voters. This is about me and my vote. I've said this over and over again. Nothing's changed.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
161. Hillary will be the nominee that's a given. I will support her in the GE, and then
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:20 PM
Feb 2016

I'm leaving the democratic party because it's too corrupt. I rather be courted as an independent.

I will max out my donation to her in the GE, with the hope she wins. Hopefully she will appoint a non corporate justice. I'm gambling here.

Major Nikon

(36,814 posts)
175. Results...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

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Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
177. Thanks. With all due respect, we've been discussing
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:18 PM
Feb 2016

these issues in the AA Group, as well as, in my other major discussion forums, blogs, and social and political groups to which I belong.

I haven't made these things up. These issues are not a figment of my imagination.

These are serious issues that seem to be mocked and ridiculed by both sides, but especially the Sanders's supporters side.

My concerns, our concerns are simply being dismissed. But supporters want us to listen to them when trying to push their respective candidate.

Listening and respect go both ways.

You (general) cannot bash, disrespect or belittle people, then turn around and wonder why those same people aren't onboard with the candidate.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
179. It's a big party with a big tent. You're gonna see some fools in it. Look at the big picture
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:37 PM
Feb 2016

I couldn't give a pile of horse manure what crazed supporters say.
I'm listening to THE MAN himself.
I'm not voting for Bernie's supporters. I'm voting for BERNIE.

And I feel you about Bernie EARNING your vote.
I feel very strongly that he will do just that within the next few months.
And I thank you for being willing to back him regardless if he becomes the nominee.

There may be some racist, arrogant, rude Bernie supporters. I don't discount that.
But Bernie HIMSELF is not racist, arrogant, or rude.
That Bernie Bro stereotype is not reality.
It's probably a smear from Hillary's camp for all we know.

This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get a fully authentic person in that Presidential seat.
Without taking big corporate money out of politics we will NEVER EVER get any real plans done.
It starts from there AND THEN we can pass progressive legislation that helps ALL people in this country instead of just a few.

Don't get caught up with the fools in the crowd.
Keep your eye on the man himself.
Look at the big picture & don't worry about these small smudges.

For me there was no doubt who I'm gonna support in 2016.
I'm SO glad Bernie came along to keep me from having to vote for Hillary just to be against a Republican.
A man who stays consistent for that long & ALSO gets it right for that long is the REAL DEAL.

A lot of Blacks support Hillary out of fear & misplaced loyalty.
It's bizarre to me to see Blacks support the Clintons in ANY way knowing what I know about them now.
To make up for my first vote in 1996 voting for Bill Clinton, I will vote for Bernie Sanders to atone.

John Lucas

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
181. No problem, my brother. It's all about respect.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:31 PM
Feb 2016

Don't worry about the knuckleheads.
Bernie's team is mostly made up of good people.
And I like how you said he has to EARN your vote because NOBODY OWNS our vote by default.

He's definitely earned mine & I am 100% sure that your decision will be an easy one come April.
We won't have to listen to Hillary make cryptic assassination comments in June like she tried to do to Obama in 2008.

That's why sometimes I step away from this forum.
This place can be a lot of drama most of the time.
Stay here long enough without a break & you'll see everyone be at everyone else's throats when they're supposed to be pushing for the same general direction.
The downside of the internet but you know how that goes.

John Lucas

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
190. I apologize, my sister. I made a hasty assumption based on your profile pic
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:39 AM
Feb 2016

A Trayvon pic doesn't necessarily mean a male poster.
My apologies.

But that's another reason why I support Bernie.
Federal oversight over local police corruption.
Meaning Zimmermans can't be protected & sheltered by crooked cops.
Meaning no more dead Black folks being hunted down by these predators in badges.

That Revolution is coming.
And whaddaya know? It WILL be televised.
Streamed too.

John Lucas

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
191. No worries! Ironically, Trayvon Martin's parents are supporting HRC. However, I've had this avatar
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

way before all of this.

I just hope the outcome doesn't destroy the Democratic Party. We need some way to come together in the end.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
192. They just don't know her background well enough. They're simply committed to getting a Dem Prez
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

I feel for them.
They just want to guarantee a Democratic Party win.
They don't wanna take a chance & feel Hillary is their best bet.

But as this election goes on & on, they will begin to see that Bernie Sanders is their best bet.
The future of the party is with him.
He's the one that will energize a Democratic Party turnout.
And when we are inspired to come out on voting day none of the Republicans' dirty tricks will work.

Bernie is using Obama's 2008 coalition. He's reviving it.
And he will win with it.

How do I know? How am I so sure?
A little Salon article called Obama and the dawn of the Fourth Republic.
According to this, this country is going in a Progressive direction for the next 35 to 40 years.
NOW is the time to shoot for the moon.
NOW is the time to dream big & go big.
Obama already started the process. Bernie will take it much further.

In the last shift Nixon got the ball rolling & Reagan took it much further.
It's a new America dawning. This place is about to change.
We cannot be scared to welcome that change.

2016 is the end of the Southern Strategy.
2016 is the beginning of the end for the Conservative Coalition.
2016 is the beginning of the end of the Republican Party.

If they stayed true to folks like Trayvon & his parents after 1877, they wouldn't be in this mess.
If they didn't take in the sore losers of the Civil War & the Civil Rights War, they wouldn't be in this mess.
The Democratic Party atoned for its past sins in 1964 & they will reap the rewards for doing the right thing.
All we just went through was a 50 year old growing pain.
Soon we will have no more murdered Trayvons in this country after we stab the heart of the Confederacy one more time in 2016.
It's time to grow & reach a new level in development.
The pains are almost over.

John Lucas

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
193. I actually agree with you in general. They may or may not know everything about the two candidates.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:16 PM
Feb 2016

But I still maintain that these are strategic voters. They are supporting the candidate who THEY believe will win.

Perhaps that'll change by the time we get to Florida, who knows?

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
185. Nah. I wouldn't say that. There's a lot like me out here.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

You can't cheat an honest man.
Look in the dictionary under the words 'conviction' & 'integrity' & you'll find a picture of Bernie Sanders.
His track record is why I & a lot of other Black folks like me are getting behind him for 2016.
And I'm personally doing my best to grow those numbers even HIGHER than they already are.

You'll thank me for it in the end.
John Lucas

Nedsdag

(2,437 posts)
104. I am an AA who leaned towards Bernie.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:43 PM
Feb 2016

I don't have a problem with his supporters.

Hillary's supporters on the other hand...

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
9. Why?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:27 PM
Feb 2016

That's the entire reasoning for some people around here to support her over Sanders? I hope they get what they want.

cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
107. You like 42%? They don't count the incarcerated.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:47 PM
Feb 2016

"When Clinton left office in 2001, the true jobless rate for young, non-college-educated black men (including those behind bars) was 42 percent. This figure was never reported. Instead, the media claimed that unemployment rates for African Americans had fallen to record lows, neglecting to mention that this miracle was possible only because incarceration rates were now at record highs. Young black men weren’t looking for work at high rates during the Clinton era because they were now behind bars—out of sight, out of mind, and no longer counted in poverty and unemployment statistics."

http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
117. Is it Propaganda when it comes from her own mouth?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:38 PM
Feb 2016

"They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called 'super-predators.' No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel..." Hillary Clinton 1996

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/antonio-moore/hillary-clinton-should-as_b_9238064.html

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
119. You think i dont know this?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:41 PM
Feb 2016

I knew about this before you ever did, i lived in those areas. I was GLAD to see them carting some criminals off so they could stop terrorizing my neighborhood and robbing my granny.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
113. Not exactly
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:11 PM
Feb 2016

The crime bill you're talking about affected federal crimes, not state crimes which has seen the largest increases in prison populations. Incarceration was on the rise overall long before that bill. I might also remind you that Bernie also voted for it as did most or all of the Congressional Black Caucus. The 90s were quite different and crime was as much or more a problem for communities of color than any other. Like all things, the crime bill should be taken in context.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/get-your-memes-right-1994-crime-bill-didnt-create-mass-incarceration

cureautismnow

(1,675 posts)
127. Bill apologized later for the effect of this law
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

"In that bill, there were longer sentences. And most of these people are in prison under state law, but the federal law set a trend," Clinton said. "And that was overdone. We were wrong about that. That percentage of it, we were wrong about. "

He added: "The good news is we had the biggest drop in crime in history. The bad news is we had a lot people who were locked up, who were minor actors, for way too long."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/15/politics/bill-clinton-1994-crime-bill/

It was an omnibus bill that Bernie voted for at the time because it had some good things in it like: weapons ban, $'s for after-school programs, $'s for reducing violence against women, etc.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
168. worthless apology
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:38 PM
Feb 2016

Never will forgive them for doing this to PoC. Knew what in the hell they were doing. It was a compromise with the devil(RW). But that's business and politics that show the lives of people, especially minorities, don't count when it comes down to it, neither to the financiers, big business or most polticians in this capitalistic dog eat dog system where profit and political/racial power is everything.

MerryBlooms

(11,728 posts)
19. There's no reason for you to deride bravenak's OP.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:30 PM
Feb 2016

Your post is a terrible reflection on not only Sanders' supporters, but Sanders. If you can't apologize, the least you can do is self delete.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
23. The results are in:
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:32 PM
Feb 2016
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:31 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I read this as a response to the post, not the the poster.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What a horseshit alert. Bravenak made the thread (it was her OP) about the black vote. The poster has every right to comment on whether or not black support of Hillary Clinton is self-defeating or not. Alerts like this make DU suck and you should feel bad, alerter.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I support Sanders and I think this is totally inappropriate.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
28. Woah...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:34 PM
Feb 2016

...that's my first alert! "Imperfect relationship" is one of the main reasons I've seen floated for Hillary getting the votes from the black community. All I'm saying is, I hope they get whatever they expect out of it.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
37. And survived! Woot!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:39 PM
Feb 2016

I'll risk an alert of my own: I do not think black Americans will even come close to getting what they expect from Hillary Clinton, should she be elected (*shudder*). In fact, if she beats Bernie, she'll shift rightwards so fast she might suffer whiplash. The obvious calculation is that in the General, undecided moderates are more important than a constituency that will never vote for the Republican in any meaningful numbers.

A principled person wouldn't do that, of course. But that's not what we're dealing with, is it...?

Response to TCJ70 (Reply #2)

MerryBlooms

(11,728 posts)
7. I think if not sealed, but certainly had to play a major role.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:26 PM
Feb 2016

I'm happy to see big numbers turn out, no matter who they vote for.

brush

(53,467 posts)
11. In my precinct, along with two others:
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton — 63 votes

Sanders — 22 votes


AAs for Clinton — 15

AAs for Sanders — 2

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
15. Oh boy!!!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:29 PM
Feb 2016

She rocked the vote. Loyalty and relationships are good for democrats. Thank you for the numbers.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
13. It certainly was a big help
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

A broad coalition is the way to win and it appears Clinton won because of that.

oasis

(49,150 posts)
14. According to MSNBC's Steve Kornacki the Latino vote was supposed to
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:29 PM
Feb 2016

be in Bernie's pocket, but they flipped somehow.

Jim Clyburn is on MSNBC saying Democrats who were "feeling the Bern" should start getting used to the idea of coalescing around HIllary.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
17. I was shocked at the projected latino numbers
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:30 PM
Feb 2016

So glad they flipped!! Clyburn is right. The writing is on the wall.

oasis

(49,150 posts)
31. Hill said in the recent town hall she wanted an early nomination so
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:36 PM
Feb 2016

she could get started on her proposals. That may have been the catalyst which fired up local Democrats and union leaders to get their people mobilized.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
130. "get started on her proposals"? I thought she already had them.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:40 PM
Feb 2016

Isn't HRC supposed to be the candidate with the details?

oasis

(49,150 posts)
135. She and Bill can line up her potential cabinet etc.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:54 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary can work with President Obama on transition details once Bernie is out of the race.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
137. She couldn't have done that in the first place?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

She's been planning to run again for eight years now.

And it's still telling that she treats Bernie's campaign as if were an annoyance that should never have happened.

oasis

(49,150 posts)
144. Hill had no hard plans on running in 2016. She likely
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

made up her mind a couple years ago.

As far as Bernie is concerned, she probably welcomed his entry at first. She had no way of knowing his message would catch fire. Hill would probably be okay with his opposition to Big Banks, Wall Street etc. but he seemed to be getting extra traction from his promises of free college, free Heath care, $15.00 min.wage. How was she to compete with someone offering pie in the sky? Her campaign had to believe Bernie had an unfair advantage with young voters, many who don't know enough about how government works.

That's when she decided to take off the gloves and make him give an accounting of how he would pay for all these goodies. Too late, the train had left the station and the Twitterverse was all abuzz about Bernie's "revolution" . It was easy for Bernie's campaign staff to enlist young folks to help disseminate the negative aspects the previous Clinton administration. Killer Mike and NinaTurner helped build Bernie's image with AAs, but Hillary hit back recently with Jim Clyburn and the CBC, to lock up her "must win" in Nevada.

Through the years, I have admired and respected Bernie Sanders. He performed a valuable service to the party by raising their awareness on the issue of economic inequality.

He's had a good run, and I wish him well.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
128. Wait... I thought that the Latino vote went in Sanders' favor??
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:11 PM
Feb 2016

At least that's what I've been seeing here.

oasis

(49,150 posts)
129. DU polls are unreliable. Especially the polls made up of DU membership.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:38 PM
Feb 2016
And thus spake the keyboard sages.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
131. No, I mean that stories have been posted over and over that say that Sanders won the
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:43 PM
Feb 2016

Hispanic vote. I'm not talking about DU polls. But those were all posted just a few hours after the voting was done which makes no sense to me. How could they have gotten the results so quickly??

But now that it's been a few hours, more data is coming out that Sanders in fact did not win the Hispanic vote??? https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/701171787795660801

And bigtree has posted a NY Times article that says that Sanders likely did not win the Hispanic vote.

oasis

(49,150 posts)
133. It may have had something to do with Harry Reid getting on
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

the horn with the service employees union leadership at the eleventh hour. His influence should not be underestimated.

ismnotwasm

(41,916 posts)
18. I think the Black vote will win her a lot
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:30 PM
Feb 2016

Including Nevada. Which is why, aside from common decency the AA vote should never be taken for granted, never be talked down to, never be silenced.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
27. I see AA precincts went heavily hillary
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:33 PM
Feb 2016

Firewall holds. Levees not breaking. Bernie not crushing her.

ismnotwasm

(41,916 posts)
36. And I am in no way surprised by this.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:39 PM
Feb 2016

I am, as a Hill supporter, gratefully humble, I hope Hillary Clinton feels the same way, and also hope those who discount or downplay the power of the African American vote and knowledge base learn something.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
26. Please explain to me why Clinton is better than Sanders
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:33 PM
Feb 2016

for black voters. I'm black why should I vote for Clinton over Sanders?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
29. I cannot explain
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:35 PM
Feb 2016

We as a group just lean clinton. I was for bernie at first, hated hillary. Now? No way in the seven hells I'll give my primary vote to him.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
32. If you want me to vote Clinton you need to explain.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:37 PM
Feb 2016

Just because I am black doesn't mean she owns my vote.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
38. I do not care who you vote for tho
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:40 PM
Feb 2016

Vote as you please, I only try to sway people in my community. Not all of us will vote Clinton, but most of us will. He can get more from millennials younger than me who aint lived that life. Middle class kids not ones from where i came up. We know better than to hang our hope on promises of utopia.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
78. No you just would rather vote for someone who's been saying "No We Can't" when asked to do change!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:07 PM
Feb 2016

Is that what you think most other POC really want? If not, WHAT REASON is there other than some unexplained HATE you have for Bernie that you feel the need to support Hillary and not him? If you don't give any cogent reasons for favoring what Hillary will do for you, then that just leaves hate as an explanation. I would think many of you would be fed up with that emotion that has screwed many minorities in ways they shouldn't be here. You can hate back, but if you it to those who want to try to help, just because you feel that you need to give back what's been given to you by so many people, then you aren't really going to change anything by taking that attitude.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
82. No one's asking you to.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:10 PM
Feb 2016

Was mainly asking for an explanation as to why you feel Bernie is so bad here, which you've been saying up and down this board here, but with not specifics attached. When we do that sort of thing, we're called "haters"!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
85. His lack of skills at community organizing and building a diverse coalition
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:12 PM
Feb 2016

Period! If he cannot draw a diverse coaliotion I am not interested at all ever.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
95. Well if many like you are just trying to spread hate towards him then that doesn't help does it!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:21 PM
Feb 2016

I think that getting 28,000 people here in Portland (MANY here POC too) to attend his event here where he had Symone Sanders speak to this crowd here as about as much as he did reflects a lot of "community organizing" and more so than just about any other politician!

If you say "you aren't interested at all ever" in someone like him without offering any explanation WHY you don't like him, then there aren't going to be many other white people trying to help you either. Can't you see that? You have to meet people half way, not just be mad at those who try because other people have treated you badly! If you do that, you will NEVER win!

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
110. There have been plenty of discussions in DU
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:59 PM
Feb 2016

about why Hillary has so many supporters including POC supporters. Although I'm sure everyone has their own personal reasons, there are some things that are common to most of her supporters. Sadly, every time we have tried to explain the things she's done that appeals to us, Bernie supporters just aren't interested in listening and start shouting about Goldwater when she was 17. I for one am tired of spending my time listing her accomplishments and service to this country. Nothing is ever good enough for those who support Bernie, so vote for him. He will not get my vote.

I haven't heard much hate here toward Bernie. About 95% of the hate on DU is spewed at Hillary, so please stop preaching to us about spreading hate.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
111. I am just giving the gifts that are given to me
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:08 PM
Feb 2016

Yes. I do try to sway some folks towards Hillary. I do not need to be hateful. I just show the posts made to me and they react negatively to the revolutionaries.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
63. Vote. Its been and still is a struggle to vote, more so for POC.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:54 PM
Feb 2016

No matter who to vote for, you still voted and that is a plus.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
35. they have better connections in the black community
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:38 PM
Feb 2016

And other minority communities also.

Also a lot of white people hate the Clintons and it turns off many minorities to the haters .

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
42. Policies
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:42 PM
Feb 2016

What is want to know is are Clinton's policies better for black people than Sanders. I don't vote based on personality.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
48. policies are about the same. especially when you consider what they can do
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:45 PM
Feb 2016

Clinton is better at reaching out through experience while sanders is new to it.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
30. the Clintons know they need the black community more than
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:36 PM
Feb 2016

The black community needs them. And they work hard for it.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
45. The need to keep that thought at the front of their minds
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:44 PM
Feb 2016

We turned on them before. Can happen again

JI7

(89,172 posts)
60. yeah. although that had more to do with love for Obama
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

Outsude of politics i will say I believe her relationship and friendship with many in the black community is real.

I'm hoping she is better than her husband.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
64. I think she is way better than bill
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:54 PM
Feb 2016

I always liked her better then him, I thought he was selfish

Response to bravenak (Original post)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
43. Yep...so fast it'll make your head spin.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:42 PM
Feb 2016

For reasons which still just don't add up for me, this large segment of Americans isn't voting for the candidate most likely to address their many extremely urgent concerns.

Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #43)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
61. Agreed.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:53 PM
Feb 2016

I concur: political loyalty towards those who do not return it is far too generous, for all that it can be admirable. The Clintons do not deserve that loyalty, IMO.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
44. Neither will he,lol
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:43 PM
Feb 2016

Remember when I said aint nobody gon do nothin for us we aint already more than halfway done doin? I mean it. Aint nobody gon do for us.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
124. Second time someone inferred we won't get what we expect
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:50 PM
Feb 2016

I expect to be able to throw elbows because it's the black American way. When has this country ever made things easy for us? You know what an epic lockout the New Deal was so I won't get into that here but I'm like - That right there is the difference. We have zero expectations that things should be "easy" or we'll catch a break.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
125. Exactly
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:51 PM
Feb 2016

I have no idea why they expect that we have expectations. All this talk of free stuff is going to their heads. We never get our share. We do for us. Like always.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
50. No citation but tweets I read...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:47 PM
Feb 2016

that represented as being from majority Black areas went very heavily for Hillary.

She also did great with union families, olds, women and post grads

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
74. I can't quite...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:04 PM
Feb 2016

stop getting up and pumping my fist. Or imagining that the prez will nominate a Black woman for SCOTUS

And every time I do that I think of this picture



Then I start singing....................... Ok ladies now let's get in formation!

And I'm an old white woman!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
75. I am trying so hard to leave but I keep giggling and looking at more posts and...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:06 PM
Feb 2016

I'll never get out of here!!!

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
83. ok but this!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:10 PM
Feb 2016

Politics1.com
?@Politics1com
P2016: In the 5 black majority precincts in the Nevada, Clinton defeated Sanders there by 95%-5% vote.

https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/701172374876594176

wildeyed

(11,240 posts)
52. Pulled this off the tweeter earlier today.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:48 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary wins all delegates at Doolittle, heart of African American community. 2 precincts, 33 delegates

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/701156715031502848

Not sure if it held up. I will poke around a bit later.

wildeyed

(11,240 posts)
69. Updated: Clinton had MASSIVE lead among black voters.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:00 PM
Feb 2016

The updated exit poll gives Clinton a massive 76-22 lead among black voters.

A sixth majority black precinct narrows Clinton's lead among black voters to... 96 to 7 delegates

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/701175604301922304

And I cherry picked this one especially for you

@Nate_Cohn @DKElections Cornell West, chronic Obama basher and Sanders surrogate, is finding out that words have consequences. He is a drag

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
55. I think Hispanics and black votes. See what happens in more diverse states?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:50 PM
Feb 2016

Maybe people should take POC voters more seriously.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
96. The Koch brothers are smiling at your comments and feel like they've won their drive to olgarchy!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:23 PM
Feb 2016

They've pretty clearly bought the Republicans through the years, and also worked with their servants the Cilntons and Al From to build the DLC takeover of the Democratic Party in recent years to do their bidding, which is why so much crap is broken now! They'll just keep pushing that envelope if they have Hillary in the White House!

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
101. According to Kornacki, blacks to Clinton, Hispanics to Sanders.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

But Blacks supposedly 76/22, while Bernie only got Hispanics by 53/45.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
103. Entrance Poll
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:43 PM
Feb 2016

Steve Kornacki ?@SteveKornacki 48m48 minutes ago

Latest entrance poll breakdown:
White: 49-47% Sanders
Black: 76-22% Clinton
Latino: 53-45% Sanders

Number23

(24,544 posts)
140. The exit polls may have been wrong. It appears that Clinton won the Hispanic vote there as well
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:00 PM
Feb 2016

Contrary to entrance polls, @HillaryClinton won #latino precincts by more than 20% #NVDemsCaucus
https://twitter.com/andresramirezlv/status/701191865886900225

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
143. That's a pretty stark discrepancy with the entrance polls.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:27 PM
Feb 2016

I wonder why people were telling pollsters one thing, if they were going to caucus another way.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
145. He didn't win Hispanics last night. He started off doing very well earlier on in the day.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:24 AM
Feb 2016

But by the end, HRC edged him.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
147. Yeah, I've seen some very disparate claims since then.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:27 AM
Feb 2016

I'm not sure how to get the most accurate numbers, if there are such. Are there actual counts maintained and published somewhere on the web, maybe Nevada SoS site?

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
148. I don't think we'll know because it's difficult to analyze Latino turnout and actual levels of
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:37 AM
Feb 2016

participation in a caucus.

But she should have won! And she should have beaten him handily because the Clintons have always done fairly well with the Hispanic community. She bested Obama in 2008 due to the Hispanic support in many places around the country.

I'm curious to see how she does going forward in these primary states.

My primary isn't until the end of April.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
149. She certainly should have. I was quite dubious about the polls saying he'd tied her going into NV
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:40 AM
Feb 2016

when he was still lagging 7 points or so nationally in the rolling averages. Beating the 'spread' there is good enough for me.

And I expect him to lose SC by 25 points or so, and will be dubious of any polling that suddenly shows him doing much better than that in the next week.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
67. If so, then congratulations on your vote to promote a LOWER raise in the minimum wage!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:57 PM
Feb 2016

Many of you all will love having less money won't you when you only get $13 / hour instead of $15.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
76. She via her surrogates lied about that too. There were campaign pamphlets in NV promoting
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:06 PM
Feb 2016

The fact HRH was for the $15 an hour minimum wage raise increase when we all know damn good and well she said $12 was perfectly acceptable.



vdogg

(1,384 posts)
68. According to 538 it is
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:58 PM
Feb 2016

"While there are arguments over who won the Hispanic vote in Nevada, there is little question about African-Americans: Clinton won very easily. The entrance poll crosstab on black voters gave her a 54 percentage-point margin. Moreover, it’s clear from majority African-American precincts that Clinton did very well. If Clinton wins African-American votes in South Carolina by anywhere near 54 percentage points, she will easily win there. She’ll also do very well in a lot of the March 1 states in the south such as Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi"

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
92. I'm gonna ask a blunt question here.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:17 PM
Feb 2016

I'm a socialist. I believe socialism to be the only way to save this country and improve the lives of the people. I believe it's the best way to improve the lives of black people and improve race relations as well. I believe socialism involves addressing the intersectional needs of people that go beyond just pocketbook issues, but also to attack the structures of patriarchy, heteronormativity, and white supremacy.

Does that message have any chance at playing in the black community? Is it a Sanders problem or a problem with everyone that believes like I do?

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
102. I think your error may be in assuming AA voters are voting against Sanders.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:41 PM
Feb 2016

They aren't. They'e voting FOR Clinton. The Clintons have four decades+ of sweat equity invested in the black community. Sanders has nothing, zero, zilch invested in long-term relationships with them.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
105. Well I asked a question about socialism.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:46 PM
Feb 2016

Relationships are important, but Hillary's not so wonderful that people wouldn't vote for somebody else they also had relationships with. The core of my question though is, if a candidate without Sanders apparent limitations (let's say a black candidate with socialist views) were running, would things be different?

Your answer seems to indicate maybe it would, but I'm gonna try not to read something into what you said.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
109. I think it could be quite different.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

We've seen her lose that same community when she faced off against Obama. He spoke to something she could not, just as she speaks to something Sanders could never, ever speak to.

Given the right circumstances I think a candidate with socialist viewpoints could do exceedingly well with AA voters. Bernie ain't that set of circumstances.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
186. What?! Hillary Clinton's skin is white... she has the same "limitations" he does...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:04 PM
Feb 2016

... the difference is she established an imperfect relationship long ago

The "hey, the person you've known for a long time who likes your hero stinks come vote for me" come vote for me is not a good campaign tactic

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
114. AA and Latinos poll higher than whites in approval of socialism and disapproval of capitalism
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:14 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.people-press.org/2011/12/28/little-change-in-publics-response-to-capitalism-socialism/?src=prc-headline

I think it has more to do with Sanders than socialism.

Sanders' has stated that his approach is to bring back the New Deal coalition (white working class.) That coalition broke up with itself over civil rights though, I think this election will be the final break up with the left's old love affair with bringing that back as a path to victory.

Any socialist looking for gains is going to have to reach deeply into the population that approves of it more highly and find out together what we can build in the future.
 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
150. You make a good point
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:47 AM
Feb 2016

But we don't have time for the white working class to die off before we can have a leftwing realignment, which I think a lot of people seem to be banking on. Not to mention that more and more Hispanics are going to identify as white, just like many other oppressed groups in history.

We need a campaign that can transcend identity politics, especially right-wing identity politics (which is pretty much how conservatives were able to get white people to vote against themselves for 40 years) and fuse the Obama coalition with the New Deal coalition.

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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
99. It looks like, yes. According to entrance polls
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

Whites broke to Sanders 49-47
Hispanic to Sanders 53-45
Blacks to Clinton 76-22

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
100. 76-22
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

via Steve Kornaki on Twitter

Latest entrance poll breakdown:
White: 49-47% Sanders
Black: 76-22% Clinton
Latino: 53-45% Sanders

Number23

(24,544 posts)
136. Bravenak, by every account, blacks and Hispanics delivered Nevada to Clinton
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

She won blacks by something like 50 percentage points (GOOD GOD A MIGHTY!!!!! ) and appears to have won the Hispanic vote in Nevada as well.

Contrary to entrance polls, @HillaryClinton won #latino precincts by more than 20% #NVDemsCaucus https://twitter.com/andresramirezlv/status/701191865886900225

The area in this triangle shaped like "<" is majority Hispanic. Mainly Clinton. https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/701171787795660801

The exit polls that had Sanders winning the Hispanic vote appear to have been 100% incorrect.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
139. I KNEW something was off!!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:00 PM
Feb 2016

Ho ho ho!! Merry merry days!!
I would have voted for him, you know? If he had come out and SAID SOMETHING. I realized something. He is the reason why. Something about his message, his anger, it makes them act like that. I don't think he cares much.

But yeah DAMN!! She crushed him with us. I mean really. Cornel West DID NOT HELP.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
141. "I used to think it was issues that drove Bernie; now I think it is his rage."
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:07 PM
Feb 2016

From http://www.dailypublic.com/articles/02172016/bernout-why-im-supporting-hillary-now#.VsgjCI5JMPe.twitter

Lots of people have been saying this same thing for a long time. And it certainly does explain the caliber of far too many of his supporters.

I think we'll get more info as time trickles by. But it appears that the "Sanders won Hispanics in Nevada" story is falling apart pretty quickly. And we tried to tell these folks that having Cornell rallying for him would be his death knell. They don't listen. They know EEEEEVERYTHING including what it means to be black so much better than we do. *shrug* Chickens coming home to roost.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
142. Perfect quote. Thats how I see him too.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

Angry angry angry. I cannot deal with that.
And this meltdown? After SC i plan on just watching quietly. Uh uh uh. We will be blamed. And I dont care.

wildeyed

(11,240 posts)
151. Once I started reading his press releases
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:53 AM
Feb 2016

and following the campaign Twitter, I realized it WAS his message that egged the supporters on. The buzzwords, flogging the bad polls, nasty rhetorical questions, all that came directly from the campaign.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
166. Based on the entrance poll, 19% of voters were Latino, 13% African American, BUT
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:35 PM
Feb 2016

while the Latino vote split 53-45 for Sanders, the AA vote went to Clinton by 76-22.

Given that the white vote, while making up 59% of the voters, split nearly evenly (49 Sanders, 47 Clinton),
it is absolutely clear that it was the AA vote that made the difference for Clinton in NV.

To break it down in simplistic terms: imagine that there were only 1000 voters (and a negligible number were Asian or "other&quot .

590 of the voters would be white and they would split 289 for Sanders and 277 for Clinton
190 of the voters would be Latino and the would split 101 for Sanders and 86 for Clinton.

Based on those two groups, Sanders has 390 votes to 353 for Clinton.

But when you add in the 130 AA voters, you add 99 to Clinton's total but only 29 for Sanders.

The end result: 462 for Clinton (52 plus percent) and 419 for Sanders (45 plus percent).

If AA voters can swing the result to Clinton where they make up a smaller percentage of the electorate than Latino voters, they are likely to have a big impact in states where AA populations are greater than Latino populations.

Take my state of Virginia, for example. There are more than twice as many African Americans as there are Latinos: 19.7 v. 8.9. Of course the 6 plus percent Asian vote in Virginia will play an important role, too.

wildeyed

(11,240 posts)
174. Yes.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016

I only eyeballed the results last night, but it looked like whites split by age, but pretty much down the middle for income and educations. So all that "1%ers hate Bernie", etc, was pretty much bunk.

AAs can pretty much swing the GE too, IMO. One of the reasons I am very strongly in favor of dealing with ballot access issues instead of worrying about swing voters (did I mention how much I hate swings?) And we will get the Latino at a much higher percentage there too.

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