2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI wonder if the Black vote was what sealed the deal
In Nevada. I bet that's what took her over the top. Anybody know any numbers?
mcar
(42,206 posts)I cant wait
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)I hope it's as good for you as it always has been.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)SMH.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)...or his supporters
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)A lot of us DON'T
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)You will be slap in the face of all who died so you could make at least make that choice . Those following your path and ALL those like you? You'll get who you're really voting for or not and will leave no room for your and the rest like you to be whining and moaning down the road. Don't vote. Don't care. At least my 'mark' on the ballot will be a personal victory for me and many throughout this country who died trying to change it's sordid and sad historical hypocrisy and racism.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Didn't get that in your "gift" statement. My inability to understand intent. My mistake. I move on. Have a good day.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)I'm still deciding myself between these two nominees. Since 1970 I've had to hold my disdain and disgust for the RW at bay. And each time they won or stole an election my fears as to who they are, sociopathic racists was felt, by me, to be true. Democrats and our Party at least recognize the problems yet really are part of the problem, sometimes. Just on principle I will always vote for our nominee because there is a small hope in the recesses of my soul that one will one day live up to their promises. I'm still waiting.........peace to you
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Eventually an independent will win the white house and independents will win multiple seats in Congress.
And who knows, it's possible if we can take back our power as voter from the corrupt and rich and powerful who are also corrupted.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)salvageable.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)I'm done with the Clintons.
I'm glad Obama shut her down in 2008.
If only he followed through with what his campaign started.
But Bernie is using Obama's 2008 campaign to save this party from itself.
Blacks who subscribe to the "Conventional Wisdom" that Blacks don't care for Sanders are in for a rude awakening.
Don't think that Hillary has all Blacks sewn up.
As much as I respect John Lewis & I'm gonna hafta go against him.
Erica Garner, daughter of the late Eric Garner, endorsed Bernie Sanders.
Nina Turner is backing Bernie Sanders.
Killer Mike is behind Bernie Sanders.
And there's a lot more where that came from.
See you in South Carolina.
John Lucas
P.S.: OH! How could I leave out the legendary Harry Belafonte?
He endorses Bernie too.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)Name one significant thing he's done in the Senate for blacks or anyone else? He makes 175k a year and has no assets and 65k in credit card debt. We're supposed to trust him with the country's finances? He can't win the general election. He's wasting everyone's time and needs to drop out, the sooner the better
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... and do other "favors" for them? I think you have a bit of confusion on who is engaged in the fraud here!
woolldog
(8,791 posts)and his policies reflect that. Easy attack for the GOP in the General Election.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... and not an "irresponsible spendthrift" which you are labeling him as. I much rather would have someone represent me that has a lot of debt like so many other people in this country who are also in debt which you are also accusing of being irresponsible with that "critique". Someone who APPEARS "responsible" just because they have tons of money given to them to do their bidding I trust a LOT LESS as do many other people in this country who are polled to trust Bernie a lot more.
His policies reflect that shared concern for what affects most Americans who've been screwed the last few decades, not the few privileged that seem to feel the need to push to get her elected now.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)people then gets caught in a cavern full of lies.
Oh wait......she said LIE not deceive.......big difference. Not.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)Hillary ain't your friend.
Here's a video you need to see.
Hillary Clinton in Black History
Every part of this video is sourced & can be tracked back.
Hillary will not win the Democratic nomination no matter HOW much she stacks the deck.
Bernie is the REAL DEAL.
Here's another video for you. Pictures always speak louder than words. Live video speaks even louder.
Bernie Sanders & Hillary Clinton Over The Years: Then vs. Now
John Lucas
P.S.: Oh! Hold on. One more.
Erica Garner endorsement of Bernie Sanders for President
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)on lasting as long as you have.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)or was he just checking to make sure that he spelled your name correctly on his Christmas list??!
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)How can that be if he has no assets?
"Bernie Sanders net worth is $528,014."
http://moneynation.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth/
OTOH, after her unsuccessful 2008 campaign, SHE had up to 65K in CREDIT CARD debt.
"They did, however, have up to $65,000 in credit card debt."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/06/09/the-clintons-left-the-white-house-in-debt-wait-what/
As for one significant thing done in the Senate for Blacks, that's easy: S 815 - Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013
There's plenty more where that came from.
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/3/employment-and-affirmative-action#.Vsj0lcc2jRo
Bernie went to jail for defending discrimination against African-Americans, while young Hillary was bouncing around with Goldwater and the Young Republicans.
TheBlackAdder
(28,070 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)than HRC fanatics were in 2008.
I'm black and neither candidate has earned my vote.
If Bernie is the nominee by the time we get to my April 26th primary, I have promised to vote for him.
If HRC is the nominee by then, I won't vote for either candidate---leaving the presidential selection blank and voting down ticket only.
I've stated this repeatedly and I've been quite consistent.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)If the devil ended up our Democratic Party nominee? Would have my vote instead of your route.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)isn't until April 26th. I have time to decide whether or not I want to support Bernie Sanders.
And if I don't, deal with it!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)You deal with it. I already have. Good day to you.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)because I've been doing that seemingly non-stop.
And I've already told you many times that this is about convincing ME to support Bernie Sanders. It's not about Hillary Clinton. It's not about black voters. This is about me and my vote. I've said this over and over again. Nothing's changed.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)I'm leaving the democratic party because it's too corrupt. I rather be courted as an independent.
I will max out my donation to her in the GE, with the hope she wins. Hopefully she will appoint a non corporate justice. I'm gambling here.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)traitors who voted for Nader.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)On Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:34 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
I like Sanders. I can't stand his arrogant, rude, and often racist supporters. They're no better
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Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)these issues in the AA Group, as well as, in my other major discussion forums, blogs, and social and political groups to which I belong.
I haven't made these things up. These issues are not a figment of my imagination.
These are serious issues that seem to be mocked and ridiculed by both sides, but especially the Sanders's supporters side.
My concerns, our concerns are simply being dismissed. But supporters want us to listen to them when trying to push their respective candidate.
Listening and respect go both ways.
You (general) cannot bash, disrespect or belittle people, then turn around and wonder why those same people aren't onboard with the candidate.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)I couldn't give a pile of horse manure what crazed supporters say.
I'm listening to THE MAN himself.
I'm not voting for Bernie's supporters. I'm voting for BERNIE.
And I feel you about Bernie EARNING your vote.
I feel very strongly that he will do just that within the next few months.
And I thank you for being willing to back him regardless if he becomes the nominee.
There may be some racist, arrogant, rude Bernie supporters. I don't discount that.
But Bernie HIMSELF is not racist, arrogant, or rude.
That Bernie Bro stereotype is not reality.
It's probably a smear from Hillary's camp for all we know.
This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get a fully authentic person in that Presidential seat.
Without taking big corporate money out of politics we will NEVER EVER get any real plans done.
It starts from there AND THEN we can pass progressive legislation that helps ALL people in this country instead of just a few.
Don't get caught up with the fools in the crowd.
Keep your eye on the man himself.
Look at the big picture & don't worry about these small smudges.
For me there was no doubt who I'm gonna support in 2016.
I'm SO glad Bernie came along to keep me from having to vote for Hillary just to be against a Republican.
A man who stays consistent for that long & ALSO gets it right for that long is the REAL DEAL.
A lot of Blacks support Hillary out of fear & misplaced loyalty.
It's bizarre to me to see Blacks support the Clintons in ANY way knowing what I know about them now.
To make up for my first vote in 1996 voting for Bill Clinton, I will vote for Bernie Sanders to atone.
John Lucas
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)johnlucas
(1,250 posts)Don't worry about the knuckleheads.
Bernie's team is mostly made up of good people.
And I like how you said he has to EARN your vote because NOBODY OWNS our vote by default.
He's definitely earned mine & I am 100% sure that your decision will be an easy one come April.
We won't have to listen to Hillary make cryptic assassination comments in June like she tried to do to Obama in 2008.
That's why sometimes I step away from this forum.
This place can be a lot of drama most of the time.
Stay here long enough without a break & you'll see everyone be at everyone else's throats when they're supposed to be pushing for the same general direction.
The downside of the internet but you know how that goes.
John Lucas
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)johnlucas
(1,250 posts)A Trayvon pic doesn't necessarily mean a male poster.
My apologies.
But that's another reason why I support Bernie.
Federal oversight over local police corruption.
Meaning Zimmermans can't be protected & sheltered by crooked cops.
Meaning no more dead Black folks being hunted down by these predators in badges.
That Revolution is coming.
And whaddaya know? It WILL be televised.
Streamed too.
John Lucas
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)way before all of this.
I just hope the outcome doesn't destroy the Democratic Party. We need some way to come together in the end.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)I feel for them.
They just want to guarantee a Democratic Party win.
They don't wanna take a chance & feel Hillary is their best bet.
But as this election goes on & on, they will begin to see that Bernie Sanders is their best bet.
The future of the party is with him.
He's the one that will energize a Democratic Party turnout.
And when we are inspired to come out on voting day none of the Republicans' dirty tricks will work.
Bernie is using Obama's 2008 coalition. He's reviving it.
And he will win with it.
How do I know? How am I so sure?
A little Salon article called Obama and the dawn of the Fourth Republic.
According to this, this country is going in a Progressive direction for the next 35 to 40 years.
NOW is the time to shoot for the moon.
NOW is the time to dream big & go big.
Obama already started the process. Bernie will take it much further.
In the last shift Nixon got the ball rolling & Reagan took it much further.
It's a new America dawning. This place is about to change.
We cannot be scared to welcome that change.
2016 is the end of the Southern Strategy.
2016 is the beginning of the end for the Conservative Coalition.
2016 is the beginning of the end of the Republican Party.
If they stayed true to folks like Trayvon & his parents after 1877, they wouldn't be in this mess.
If they didn't take in the sore losers of the Civil War & the Civil Rights War, they wouldn't be in this mess.
The Democratic Party atoned for its past sins in 1964 & they will reap the rewards for doing the right thing.
All we just went through was a 50 year old growing pain.
Soon we will have no more murdered Trayvons in this country after we stab the heart of the Confederacy one more time in 2016.
It's time to grow & reach a new level in development.
The pains are almost over.
John Lucas
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)But I still maintain that these are strategic voters. They are supporting the candidate who THEY believe will win.
Perhaps that'll change by the time we get to Florida, who knows?
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)johnlucas
(1,250 posts)You can't cheat an honest man.
Look in the dictionary under the words 'conviction' & 'integrity' & you'll find a picture of Bernie Sanders.
His track record is why I & a lot of other Black folks like me are getting behind him for 2016.
And I'm personally doing my best to grow those numbers even HIGHER than they already are.
You'll thank me for it in the end.
John Lucas
wildeyed
(11,240 posts)We are talking about the final totals and demographics.
Nedsdag
(2,437 posts)I don't have a problem with his supporters.
Hillary's supporters on the other hand...
That's the entire reasoning for some people around here to support her over Sanders? I hope they get what they want.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)"When Clinton left office in 2001, the true jobless rate for young, non-college-educated black men (including those behind bars) was 42 percent. This figure was never reported. Instead, the media claimed that unemployment rates for African Americans had fallen to record lows, neglecting to mention that this miracle was possible only because incarceration rates were now at record highs. Young black men werent looking for work at high rates during the Clinton era because they were now behind barsout of sight, out of mind, and no longer counted in poverty and unemployment statistics."
http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)"They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called 'super-predators.' No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel..." Hillary Clinton 1996
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/antonio-moore/hillary-clinton-should-as_b_9238064.html
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I knew about this before you ever did, i lived in those areas. I was GLAD to see them carting some criminals off so they could stop terrorizing my neighborhood and robbing my granny.
radical noodle
(7,990 posts)The crime bill you're talking about affected federal crimes, not state crimes which has seen the largest increases in prison populations. Incarceration was on the rise overall long before that bill. I might also remind you that Bernie also voted for it as did most or all of the Congressional Black Caucus. The 90s were quite different and crime was as much or more a problem for communities of color than any other. Like all things, the crime bill should be taken in context.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/get-your-memes-right-1994-crime-bill-didnt-create-mass-incarceration
cureautismnow
(1,675 posts)"In that bill, there were longer sentences. And most of these people are in prison under state law, but the federal law set a trend," Clinton said. "And that was overdone. We were wrong about that. That percentage of it, we were wrong about. "
He added: "The good news is we had the biggest drop in crime in history. The bad news is we had a lot people who were locked up, who were minor actors, for way too long."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/15/politics/bill-clinton-1994-crime-bill/
It was an omnibus bill that Bernie voted for at the time because it had some good things in it like: weapons ban, $'s for after-school programs, $'s for reducing violence against women, etc.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Never will forgive them for doing this to PoC. Knew what in the hell they were doing. It was a compromise with the devil(RW). But that's business and politics that show the lives of people, especially minorities, don't count when it comes down to it, neither to the financiers, big business or most polticians in this capitalistic dog eat dog system where profit and political/racial power is everything.
MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)Your post is a terrible reflection on not only Sanders' supporters, but Sanders. If you can't apologize, the least you can do is self delete.
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TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...that's my first alert! "Imperfect relationship" is one of the main reasons I've seen floated for Hillary getting the votes from the black community. All I'm saying is, I hope they get whatever they expect out of it.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I'll risk an alert of my own: I do not think black Americans will even come close to getting what they expect from Hillary Clinton, should she be elected (*shudder*). In fact, if she beats Bernie, she'll shift rightwards so fast she might suffer whiplash. The obvious calculation is that in the General, undecided moderates are more important than a constituency that will never vote for the Republican in any meaningful numbers.
A principled person wouldn't do that, of course. But that's not what we're dealing with, is it...?
JustAnotherGen
(31,681 posts)You think we expect?
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FarPoint
(12,207 posts)Makes me pleased.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)I'm happy to see big numbers turn out, no matter who they vote for.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Good day for Dems
MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)brush
(53,467 posts)Clinton 63 votes
Sanders 22 votes
AAs for Clinton 15
AAs for Sanders 2
bravenak
(34,648 posts)She rocked the vote. Loyalty and relationships are good for democrats. Thank you for the numbers.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)A broad coalition is the way to win and it appears Clinton won because of that.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Gotta get a diverse group!!
oasis
(49,150 posts)be in Bernie's pocket, but they flipped somehow.
Jim Clyburn is on MSNBC saying Democrats who were "feeling the Bern" should start getting used to the idea of coalescing around HIllary.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)So glad they flipped!! Clyburn is right. The writing is on the wall.
oasis
(49,150 posts)she could get started on her proposals. That may have been the catalyst which fired up local Democrats and union leaders to get their people mobilized.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have Chris Mathews' tingle
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Isn't HRC supposed to be the candidate with the details?
oasis
(49,150 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Why is she bothering to run, then?
oasis
(49,150 posts)Hillary can work with President Obama on transition details once Bernie is out of the race.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)She's been planning to run again for eight years now.
And it's still telling that she treats Bernie's campaign as if were an annoyance that should never have happened.
oasis
(49,150 posts)made up her mind a couple years ago.
As far as Bernie is concerned, she probably welcomed his entry at first. She had no way of knowing his message would catch fire. Hill would probably be okay with his opposition to Big Banks, Wall Street etc. but he seemed to be getting extra traction from his promises of free college, free Heath care, $15.00 min.wage. How was she to compete with someone offering pie in the sky? Her campaign had to believe Bernie had an unfair advantage with young voters, many who don't know enough about how government works.
That's when she decided to take off the gloves and make him give an accounting of how he would pay for all these goodies. Too late, the train had left the station and the Twitterverse was all abuzz about Bernie's "revolution" . It was easy for Bernie's campaign staff to enlist young folks to help disseminate the negative aspects the previous Clinton administration. Killer Mike and NinaTurner helped build Bernie's image with AAs, but Hillary hit back recently with Jim Clyburn and the CBC, to lock up her "must win" in Nevada.
Through the years, I have admired and respected Bernie Sanders. He performed a valuable service to the party by raising their awareness on the issue of economic inequality.
He's had a good run, and I wish him well.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)oasis
(49,150 posts)Incentives.
Number23
(24,544 posts)At least that's what I've been seeing here.
oasis
(49,150 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Hispanic vote. I'm not talking about DU polls. But those were all posted just a few hours after the voting was done which makes no sense to me. How could they have gotten the results so quickly??
But now that it's been a few hours, more data is coming out that Sanders in fact did not win the Hispanic vote??? https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/701171787795660801
And bigtree has posted a NY Times article that says that Sanders likely did not win the Hispanic vote.
oasis
(49,150 posts)the horn with the service employees union leadership at the eleventh hour. His influence should not be underestimated.
ismnotwasm
(41,916 posts)Including Nevada. Which is why, aside from common decency the AA vote should never be taken for granted, never be talked down to, never be silenced.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Firewall holds. Levees not breaking. Bernie not crushing her.
ismnotwasm
(41,916 posts)I am, as a Hill supporter, gratefully humble, I hope Hillary Clinton feels the same way, and also hope those who discount or downplay the power of the African American vote and knowledge base learn something.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)LexVegas
(6,005 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)for black voters. I'm black why should I vote for Clinton over Sanders?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We as a group just lean clinton. I was for bernie at first, hated hillary. Now? No way in the seven hells I'll give my primary vote to him.
malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)Just because I am black doesn't mean she owns my vote.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Vote as you please, I only try to sway people in my community. Not all of us will vote Clinton, but most of us will. He can get more from millennials younger than me who aint lived that life. Middle class kids not ones from where i came up. We know better than to hang our hope on promises of utopia.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Is that what you think most other POC really want? If not, WHAT REASON is there other than some unexplained HATE you have for Bernie that you feel the need to support Hillary and not him? If you don't give any cogent reasons for favoring what Hillary will do for you, then that just leaves hate as an explanation. I would think many of you would be fed up with that emotion that has screwed many minorities in ways they shouldn't be here. You can hate back, but if you it to those who want to try to help, just because you feel that you need to give back what's been given to you by so many people, then you aren't really going to change anything by taking that attitude.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Was mainly asking for an explanation as to why you feel Bernie is so bad here, which you've been saying up and down this board here, but with not specifics attached. When we do that sort of thing, we're called "haters"!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Period! If he cannot draw a diverse coaliotion I am not interested at all ever.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)I think that getting 28,000 people here in Portland (MANY here POC too) to attend his event here where he had Symone Sanders speak to this crowd here as about as much as he did reflects a lot of "community organizing" and more so than just about any other politician!
If you say "you aren't interested at all ever" in someone like him without offering any explanation WHY you don't like him, then there aren't going to be many other white people trying to help you either. Can't you see that? You have to meet people half way, not just be mad at those who try because other people have treated you badly! If you do that, you will NEVER win!
radical noodle
(7,990 posts)about why Hillary has so many supporters including POC supporters. Although I'm sure everyone has their own personal reasons, there are some things that are common to most of her supporters. Sadly, every time we have tried to explain the things she's done that appeals to us, Bernie supporters just aren't interested in listening and start shouting about Goldwater when she was 17. I for one am tired of spending my time listing her accomplishments and service to this country. Nothing is ever good enough for those who support Bernie, so vote for him. He will not get my vote.
I haven't heard much hate here toward Bernie. About 95% of the hate on DU is spewed at Hillary, so please stop preaching to us about spreading hate.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Yes. I do try to sway some folks towards Hillary. I do not need to be hateful. I just show the posts made to me and they react negatively to the revolutionaries.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)No matter who to vote for, you still voted and that is a plus.
JI7
(89,172 posts)And other minority communities also.
Also a lot of white people hate the Clintons and it turns off many minorities to the haters .
malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)What is want to know is are Clinton's policies better for black people than Sanders. I don't vote based on personality.
JI7
(89,172 posts)Clinton is better at reaching out through experience while sanders is new to it.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Here's an op I wrote recently in the AA group....
40 ACRES AND A MULE A Political Tale
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118739074
JI7
(89,172 posts)The black community needs them. And they work hard for it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We turned on them before. Can happen again
JI7
(89,172 posts)Outsude of politics i will say I believe her relationship and friendship with many in the black community is real.
I'm hoping she is better than her husband.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I always liked her better then him, I thought he was selfish
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Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)For reasons which still just don't add up for me, this large segment of Americans isn't voting for the candidate most likely to address their many extremely urgent concerns.
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Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I concur: political loyalty towards those who do not return it is far too generous, for all that it can be admirable. The Clintons do not deserve that loyalty, IMO.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Remember when I said aint nobody gon do nothin for us we aint already more than halfway done doin? I mean it. Aint nobody gon do for us.
JustAnotherGen
(31,681 posts)I expect to be able to throw elbows because it's the black American way. When has this country ever made things easy for us? You know what an epic lockout the New Deal was so I won't get into that here but I'm like - That right there is the difference. We have zero expectations that things should be "easy" or we'll catch a break.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have no idea why they expect that we have expectations. All this talk of free stuff is going to their heads. We never get our share. We do for us. Like always.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)that represented as being from majority Black areas went very heavily for Hillary.
She also did great with union families, olds, women and post grads
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Here we come sc!!!
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)stop getting up and pumping my fist. Or imagining that the prez will nominate a Black woman for SCOTUS
And every time I do that I think of this picture
Then I start singing....................... Ok ladies now let's get in formation!
And I'm an old white woman!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'll never get out of here!!!
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Politics1.com
?@Politics1com
P2016: In the 5 black majority precincts in the Nevada, Clinton defeated Sanders there by 95%-5% vote.
https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/701172374876594176
bravenak
(34,648 posts)wildeyed
(11,240 posts)Hillary wins all delegates at Doolittle, heart of African American community. 2 precincts, 33 delegates
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/701156715031502848
Not sure if it held up. I will poke around a bit later.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Night ended early as hell
wildeyed
(11,240 posts)Up at midnight on a school night still not knowing WTH was going on.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I missed class the next day from wine drinking after midnight
wildeyed
(11,240 posts)The updated exit poll gives Clinton a massive 76-22 lead among black voters.
A sixth majority black precinct narrows Clinton's lead among black voters to... 96 to 7 delegates
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/701175604301922304
And I cherry picked this one especially for you
@Nate_Cohn @DKElections Cornell West, chronic Obama basher and Sanders surrogate, is finding out that words have consequences. He is a drag
They finally noticed Cornel 'the drag' West
He's like their kanye
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Maybe people should take POC voters more seriously.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Maybe they should try being respectful. I mean, they do need the votes. Respect might help
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)They've pretty clearly bought the Republicans through the years, and also worked with their servants the Cilntons and Al From to build the DLC takeover of the Democratic Party in recent years to do their bidding, which is why so much crap is broken now! They'll just keep pushing that envelope if they have Hillary in the White House!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)But Blacks supposedly 76/22, while Bernie only got Hispanics by 53/45.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Steve Kornacki ?@SteveKornacki 48m48 minutes ago
Latest entrance poll breakdown:
White: 49-47% Sanders
Black: 76-22% Clinton
Latino: 53-45% Sanders
Number23
(24,544 posts)Contrary to entrance polls, @HillaryClinton won #latino precincts by more than 20% #NVDemsCaucus
https://twitter.com/andresramirezlv/status/701191865886900225
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I wonder why people were telling pollsters one thing, if they were going to caucus another way.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)But by the end, HRC edged him.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I'm not sure how to get the most accurate numbers, if there are such. Are there actual counts maintained and published somewhere on the web, maybe Nevada SoS site?
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)participation in a caucus.
But she should have won! And she should have beaten him handily because the Clintons have always done fairly well with the Hispanic community. She bested Obama in 2008 due to the Hispanic support in many places around the country.
I'm curious to see how she does going forward in these primary states.
My primary isn't until the end of April.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)when he was still lagging 7 points or so nationally in the rolling averages. Beating the 'spread' there is good enough for me.
And I expect him to lose SC by 25 points or so, and will be dubious of any polling that suddenly shows him doing much better than that in the next week.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Many of you all will love having less money won't you when you only get $13 / hour instead of $15.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)The fact HRH was for the $15 an hour minimum wage raise increase when we all know damn good and well she said $12 was perfectly acceptable.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)vdogg
(1,384 posts)"While there are arguments over who won the Hispanic vote in Nevada, there is little question about African-Americans: Clinton won very easily. The entrance poll crosstab on black voters gave her a 54 percentage-point margin. Moreover, its clear from majority African-American precincts that Clinton did very well. If Clinton wins African-American votes in South Carolina by anywhere near 54 percentage points, she will easily win there. Shell also do very well in a lot of the March 1 states in the south such as Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi"
bravenak
(34,648 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)I'm a socialist. I believe socialism to be the only way to save this country and improve the lives of the people. I believe it's the best way to improve the lives of black people and improve race relations as well. I believe socialism involves addressing the intersectional needs of people that go beyond just pocketbook issues, but also to attack the structures of patriarchy, heteronormativity, and white supremacy.
Does that message have any chance at playing in the black community? Is it a Sanders problem or a problem with everyone that believes like I do?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)They aren't. They'e voting FOR Clinton. The Clintons have four decades+ of sweat equity invested in the black community. Sanders has nothing, zero, zilch invested in long-term relationships with them.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Relationships are important, but Hillary's not so wonderful that people wouldn't vote for somebody else they also had relationships with. The core of my question though is, if a candidate without Sanders apparent limitations (let's say a black candidate with socialist views) were running, would things be different?
Your answer seems to indicate maybe it would, but I'm gonna try not to read something into what you said.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)We've seen her lose that same community when she faced off against Obama. He spoke to something she could not, just as she speaks to something Sanders could never, ever speak to.
Given the right circumstances I think a candidate with socialist viewpoints could do exceedingly well with AA voters. Bernie ain't that set of circumstances.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... the difference is she established an imperfect relationship long ago
The "hey, the person you've known for a long time who likes your hero stinks come vote for me" come vote for me is not a good campaign tactic
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I think it has more to do with Sanders than socialism.
Sanders' has stated that his approach is to bring back the New Deal coalition (white working class.) That coalition broke up with itself over civil rights though, I think this election will be the final break up with the left's old love affair with bringing that back as a path to victory.
Any socialist looking for gains is going to have to reach deeply into the population that approves of it more highly and find out together what we can build in the future.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)But we don't have time for the white working class to die off before we can have a leftwing realignment, which I think a lot of people seem to be banking on. Not to mention that more and more Hispanics are going to identify as white, just like many other oppressed groups in history.
We need a campaign that can transcend identity politics, especially right-wing identity politics (which is pretty much how conservatives were able to get white people to vote against themselves for 40 years) and fuse the Obama coalition with the New Deal coalition.
JI7
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Whites broke to Sanders 49-47
Hispanic to Sanders 53-45
Blacks to Clinton 76-22
bravenak
(34,648 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)via Steve Kornaki on Twitter
Latest entrance poll breakdown:
White: 49-47% Sanders
Black: 76-22% Clinton
Latino: 53-45% Sanders
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)zappaman
(20,605 posts)What about Stockholm?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Not enough captives want to leave
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)for a republican president?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)She won blacks by something like 50 percentage points (GOOD GOD A MIGHTY!!!!! ) and appears to have won the Hispanic vote in Nevada as well.
Contrary to entrance polls, @HillaryClinton won #latino precincts by more than 20% #NVDemsCaucus https://twitter.com/andresramirezlv/status/701191865886900225
The area in this triangle shaped like "<" is majority Hispanic. Mainly Clinton. https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/701171787795660801
The exit polls that had Sanders winning the Hispanic vote appear to have been 100% incorrect.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Ho ho ho!! Merry merry days!!
I would have voted for him, you know? If he had come out and SAID SOMETHING. I realized something. He is the reason why. Something about his message, his anger, it makes them act like that. I don't think he cares much.
But yeah DAMN!! She crushed him with us. I mean really. Cornel West DID NOT HELP.
Number23
(24,544 posts)From http://www.dailypublic.com/articles/02172016/bernout-why-im-supporting-hillary-now#.VsgjCI5JMPe.twitter
Lots of people have been saying this same thing for a long time. And it certainly does explain the caliber of far too many of his supporters.
I think we'll get more info as time trickles by. But it appears that the "Sanders won Hispanics in Nevada" story is falling apart pretty quickly. And we tried to tell these folks that having Cornell rallying for him would be his death knell. They don't listen. They know EEEEEVERYTHING including what it means to be black so much better than we do. *shrug* Chickens coming home to roost.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Angry angry angry. I cannot deal with that.
And this meltdown? After SC i plan on just watching quietly. Uh uh uh. We will be blamed. And I dont care.
wildeyed
(11,240 posts)and following the campaign Twitter, I realized it WAS his message that egged the supporters on. The buzzwords, flogging the bad polls, nasty rhetorical questions, all that came directly from the campaign.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I felt like I was finally able to see right. Of course! Anger.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)onenote
(42,374 posts)while the Latino vote split 53-45 for Sanders, the AA vote went to Clinton by 76-22.
Given that the white vote, while making up 59% of the voters, split nearly evenly (49 Sanders, 47 Clinton),
it is absolutely clear that it was the AA vote that made the difference for Clinton in NV.
To break it down in simplistic terms: imagine that there were only 1000 voters (and a negligible number were Asian or "other" .
590 of the voters would be white and they would split 289 for Sanders and 277 for Clinton
190 of the voters would be Latino and the would split 101 for Sanders and 86 for Clinton.
Based on those two groups, Sanders has 390 votes to 353 for Clinton.
But when you add in the 130 AA voters, you add 99 to Clinton's total but only 29 for Sanders.
The end result: 462 for Clinton (52 plus percent) and 419 for Sanders (45 plus percent).
If AA voters can swing the result to Clinton where they make up a smaller percentage of the electorate than Latino voters, they are likely to have a big impact in states where AA populations are greater than Latino populations.
Take my state of Virginia, for example. There are more than twice as many African Americans as there are Latinos: 19.7 v. 8.9. Of course the 6 plus percent Asian vote in Virginia will play an important role, too.
I only eyeballed the results last night, but it looked like whites split by age, but pretty much down the middle for income and educations. So all that "1%ers hate Bernie", etc, was pretty much bunk.
AAs can pretty much swing the GE too, IMO. One of the reasons I am very strongly in favor of dealing with ballot access issues instead of worrying about swing voters (did I mention how much I hate swings?) And we will get the Latino at a much higher percentage there too.
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uponit7771
(90,225 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)It will be a strange night!! The tears!