2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBREAKING: DNC FUNNELLING MONEY TO HILLARY
Behind the scenes at the Democratic National Committees summer meeting in Minneapolis last August, campaign officials for Hillary Clinton were making a hard sell to the state parties.
In private huddles, they urged state officials to sign onto an ambitious fundraising endeavorthat would allow Clintons presidential bid, the DNC and the state parties to scoop up and share big checks from wealthy donors. It would mark the earliest creation of a joint fundraising committee between a presidential candidate and the party, and it would be the biggest ever, thanks to a 2014 Supreme Court decision that knocked down a cap on how much donors could give to federal campaigns in a single year.
A record 32 state parties signed on to the fund, allowing the committee to solicit donations 130 times greater than what a supporter can give to Clintons campaign for the primary.
But the states have yet to see a financial windfall. Meanwhile, Clintons own campaign has been a major beneficiary, getting an infusion of low-dollar contributions through the committee at a time when rival Bernie Sanderss army of small donors is helping him close in on her financially. The fund is run by Clinton campaign staff, and its treasurer is Clintons chief operating officer.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-fundraising-effort-helps-clinton-find-new-donors-too/2016/02/19/b8535cea-d68f-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html
Pretty telling that even with Lil' Debbie's shennanigans, Hillary is still struggling to find enough donors to keep her extravagant campaign afloat
djean111
(14,255 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I've been a Democrat all my life, but after the way the party hierarchy has tried to thwart the democratic process in this primary, I'm done. After voting for Bernie in the caucus, my husband and I are switching our affiliation to Independent.
Duval
(4,280 posts)We're thinking the same, MissDeeds. If she wins, at least Bernie and the rest of us have started a real movement. Bernie will be too old to run in 8 years, but someone will come along to pick up and continue his message.
Lunabell
(6,078 posts)That is the only reason I am not an Independent.
djean111
(14,255 posts)he meant to register non-affiliated) to Democrat last week. So he could vote for Bernie in the primary.
He works at a large grocery store, all his co-workers are for Bernie (and they are outraged over the TPP!), one manager seems to be for Trump, and Hillary only gets "NO, not Hillary" remarks. They are not to talk about politics in the break-room, of course. But he has seen a few Bernie stickers, no Hillary stickers, and no Trump or any other GOP stickers. A few old Romney stickers.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)They might as well - I will not lift a finger to help Hillary or the DNC
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Indict her already
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)They don't appreciate stories like this. They react appropriately. Polls reflect that. And here we are with a real horse race.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Bernie Sanders!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
cui bono
(19,926 posts)dchill
(38,472 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Mudcat
(179 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
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Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)"Exposing & Combating Liberal Media Bias". You don't even try to hide it anymore, do you?
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)Just wondering what you think
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Every time I turn around she's sucking at another trough of dirty money.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)They've got their shiny new rule allowing unlimited funds from lobbyists & PAC donations. They don't need us except to vote. Which we'll do because "do you want Donald Trump to win???"
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)If its death by a thousand paper cuts by Hillary or A bullet to the head by a Republican. I will take the quick one.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)when the difference between parties are mainly culture war stuff while both 'sides' quietly give corporate powers everything they want.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Bernie or nothing.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)the New Dems' explicit purpose was to put conservative GOP policies into the party, while the GOP swung right at the same time: the end of the Cold War spooked the masters in the early 90s as bad as the Church Committee and Carter's cleanup campaign: the late 70s is when the neocons and fundagelicals took over, all following the Powell Memo; same story as both Red Scares
orchestrated
we need to make the political system robust against people who openly mock the idea of democracy
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)The Globetrotters always play the Washington Generals and many in the crowd, especially the kids, think it is a real game. Both sides play hard, but the end result is preordained.
The Republicans and Democrats fight and snipe at each other, shifting the blame for America's problems on the other side's supporters and/or policies. The culpable parties are in the shadows reaping all of the benefits. They get followers who treat them like their favorite sports teams, ignoring their "team's" faults and painting the opposition with everything that is wrong. Both teams are owned by the same corporation and the owners are taking all the money out of the back of the arena.
Hillary is the promoter selling the tickets for the owners and telling the fans that it is all real! Bernie is more like the guy watching a magician and pointing out how he is doing each trick designed to misdirect and fool the people. Unfortunately, too many want to be deceived and resent hearing how they are being taken advantage of!
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Sadly, I think you're on to something
plus5mace
(140 posts)If Bernie can defeat the entire power base of the Democratic Party in their own primary he is unstoppable.
dchill
(38,472 posts)Because there's no reason not to.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)ride with Bernie. For the next decade and maybe forever, he's changing American politics.
He's touched a nerve similar to that which Obama found. People want BIG change.
To some extent, (I wouldn't dare compare the mentality, morality or ideology of the two groups) Trump's done something kind of similar - touched a nerve but of the ignorant and racists .
Quote from that article
Ive never seen anything like this, said Lawrence Noble, a former general counsel of the Federal Election Commission who is now with the nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center. Joint victory funds are not intended to be separate operating committees that just support a single candidate. But they appear to be turning the traditional notion of a joint committee into a Hillary fundraising committee.
I read and saw somewhere that Hillary's campaign is even using DNC offices - sharing them. Can't they see how unfair that is? Of course they can. Now this sleazy money grab.
To their credit about 18 states wouldn't go along with it. And then I read this:
But the states have yet to see a financial windfall. Meanwhile, Clintons own campaign has been a major beneficiary, getting an infusion of low-dollar contributions through the committee at a time when rival Bernie Sanderss army of small donors is helping him close in on her financially. The fund is run by Clinton campaign staff, and its treasurer is Clintons chief operating officer.
So we Bernie supporters have been fending off criticism that Bernie hasn't been contributing to this tangled, corrupt scam at the DNC. But the facts are: the states haven't seen money from it either because Hillary got it.
This woman is too much.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)by the way they run their campaign. Great for Bernie, TERRIBLE for Hillary!
TexasBushwhacker
(20,174 posts)dchill
(38,472 posts)Why is she out of money already?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Volaris
(10,270 posts)Let them waste their filthy fucking lucre, as far as I'm concerned...I don't think it will buy them a win this time.
The jig us up, and the Electorate has finally caught wise.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)You spoke my mind, exactly ...
Volaris
(10,270 posts)And then Debbie had the gall to send me an email asking for MOAR MONIES! Because REASONS!
whatever, if they are going to waste it on tie votes, I'd rather send it to Sanders anyway.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)I hope we got louder and more insistent to know the truth about the actual caucus results.
Volaris
(10,270 posts)Clinton assumed that she had the whole thing in her pocket. If Bernie gets the Presidency, his secret service codename should be Pickpocket, cause that's how he will have one this thing...One little bit at a time=)
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)..looking past the primaries... She thought she was a lock for the nomination.
bvf
(6,604 posts)arrogance (early on) and a late panic that only seems to do more and more damage to her, uh, brand.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)She is tithing them very same money THEY THEMSELVES raised!
Praise the Lord!
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Somewhere in the great beyond, Richard Nixon is laughing his ass off.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)so they don't need us at all!
All hail the Queen!
Beowulf
(761 posts)Many of the super delegates are also office holders/seekers who need campaign funds. Endorse Bernie and watch your access to these funds disappear.
The Clintons have always been big pay-to-play politicians. Remember the Lincoln Bedroom? We shouldn't be surprised by this, but it that doesn't make this any less sleazy.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)disgusting
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)I not only won't vote for her Highness, I will only vote for Dems who do not partake in this crap. I am done with them.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)This is a Joint-Fundraising agreement; i.e. the two entities raise funds together and spilt the contributions.
Want to know who else has a Joint-Fundraising agreement?
Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign has signed a joint fundraising agreement with the Democratic National Committee, the DNC confirmed to POLITICO.
The move, which comes more than two months after Hillary Clinton's campaign signed such an agreement in August, will allow Sanders' team to raise up to $33,400 for the committee as well as $2,700 for the campaign from individual donors at events.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559
dana_b
(11,546 posts)From the OP article:
In comparison, the treasurer of the Bernie Victory Fund, Sanderss joint fundraising committee with the party, is the DNCs chief financial officer, Bradley Marshall. So far, the fund has raised just $1,000 a donation from the DNC.
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So really?? You want to compare?? It's a f-ing joke and the leaders as well as Hillary and her cronies are corrupt to the bone!!!!!! All hail the Queen!!!
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)game is all they have.........SMH!!!!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)I think that is more than she made per minute speaking to Goldman Sachs
Paulie
(8,462 posts)
Sanders, meanwhile, has never made raising money for the party a priority, despite recently proving his fundraising prowess by signing a letter for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee that brought the party group over $1 million, according to a Sanders aide. His campaign inked a fundraising agreement with the DNC in November, a few months after Clintons was signed, but it could never nail down a date for any fundraising events with the committee and the Vermont-based operation now says its entirely up to the DNC to identify some dates that work for it.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Candidates have always been able to do joint fundraising with the party.
This is totally confusing to me.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)bigtree
(85,987 posts)...but hasn't delivered more than squat on his obligation.
Really amazingly stupid, hypocritical outrage.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)brooklynite
(94,503 posts)A Joint-Fundraising agreement splits funds between the Candidate and the Party in a prescribed manner. However, the Party can ONLY give $5,000 to a candidate's campaign. Which you'd have know if you'd checked with the FEC. But it's so much easier to jump to "we all know" conclusions, right?
treestar
(82,383 posts)then end up looking dumb.
Thanks for the information!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)The party only exists to help the Clintons. It's time to take our party back.
cali
(114,904 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)on a raft and set it adift. Right after doing the same thing to the Bush Crime Family.
Sick to the teeth of these two corrupt, self-serving families of crooks.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)suit against DWS and the DNC? They are destroying our party.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Thanks for the thread, Halliburton.
napi21
(45,806 posts)a particular candidate. I've always done that. I worked hard to get that money and I won't let anyone else decide who gets it.
cali
(114,904 posts)Disgusting.
desmiller
(747 posts)naughty, naughty Debbie & Hillary
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)It seems like these states should be suing her campaign for fraud.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
endorsements from "Names" in the Democratic Party.
Shameful.
But not unheard of in the Democratic Partyjust more efficient now. It echoes so much the MacCarthy-Humphrey primarythat was one of the things that I've always seen as causal in making so many Democrats tune out and stop being interested or involved in the party or politics.
My dad has described to me what it was like in the local meeting where delegates were being chosen and the room was overwhelming for MacCarthy. He said the Humphrey-wing behaved almost like thugs, with threatening body language etc. The actual votes (by hand raising) were not recognized and delegates for Humphrey were sent to the convention from this local.
This may be happening again, but in a sanitized version, using Super Delegates and media-wide "talking points" and bottomless funding.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)candidates I support, period.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Not only is he not a democrat he doesn't support the party.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)The Democratic party is US, the people who belong to it (the party). The DNC are not "the party". That is more clear than ever.
Just like corporations are not "People", the DNC is not "the Party". Enough of that nonsense.
OxQQme
(2,550 posts)Let's all just support "The Party" regardless the corruption.
NOT!
Logical
(22,457 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Normal sleeze coming from DNC and their pre-crowned candidate
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Besides ignoring the will of the population and stacking the primaries they will engage even more corruption from the corporations to win. If that does not expose the whole idea of "incremental change"by the current elite as phony I don't know what does.
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)lot of money for even the caviar.
Jack Rabbit
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)by a guy named Tim Weiner - "One Man Against The World" which includes lots of recently released tapes. I can only compare DWS to John Mitchell, the former Nixon AG who ran CREEP (Committee to Re-Elect the President, and was there EVER a better acronym?). Mitchell eventually became the only AG ever to go to the Big House. Anything was justified to advance Richard Nixon, according to Mitchell. The similarities are rather glaring.
MADem
(135,425 posts)hasn't. Did y'all MISS this article a few months back????
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559
He knows how the game works--he's been raking in the dough at fundraisers for years, ever since he became a Senate candidate over a decade ago. And he has been a happy attendee at dozens and dozens of DNC Big Donor events, AND taken his cut from them.
ALL he has to do is say he's available, give the DNC a few dates, and SHOW UP.
LOL at the characterizations in this thread..!
nolabels
(13,133 posts)............ah, why waste my breath
MADem
(135,425 posts)in the past. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259298-sanders-dnc-strike-fundraising-deal
The Sanders campaign and the national party have reached an agreement to coordinate their fundraising efforts, enabling the two to solicit checks together in an effort that could boost the DNCs war chest for the general election.
Hillary Clintons campaign signed a similar agreement with the DNC in late August.
He gets a piece of the take immediately just by showing up--it's an easy way to rake in large amounts quickly. And as we have learned, he has done it before.
treestar
(82,383 posts)they continue to do the Corruption Dance. It's what they want to believe.
november3rd
(1,113 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)PeterGM
(71 posts)The outrage is that people are discovering that the democratic party structure is deeply undemocratic, and that's what people are railing about
If the DNC were interested in objectively nominating the candidate that the people wanted the most, they would stay completely neutral n this nomination process... (Full disclosure I'm a Dane, and fascinated by the way american politics work) It feels to me that the Democratic party is structured in a way that insults the intelligence of the voters, by having a "we know best" attitude.
Just to be clear, I'm not railing against Clinton, I just think there shouldn't be favoritism from the people running the nomination process... That would be like having Real Madrid fans as referees in a match Real vs Barcelona... It just looks bad.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Senator Barack Obamas presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee are establishing a joint fund-raising committee, a step that is usually only undertaken by a partys presumptive nominee but in this case is being driven by how long it has taken the Democrats to settle their nomination fight.
The joint fund-raising agreement, which allows donors to write a single large check which is then divvied up between the candidates campaign and the party, was first reported by Time magazines The Page and confirmed by the Obama campaign.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/obama-and-dnc-set-up-fund-raising-committee/?_r=0
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Of granting peerages. Sir Marc Lasry, Sir Lloyd Blankfein, etc.
It's a long, long way from Hope.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Sen. John Kerry and the Democratic National Committee have formed a joint fundraising venture designed to maximize donors ability to write a single check to benefit the Massachusetts Senators presidential campaign as well as the national party.
The committee Kerry Victory 2004 was established March 22 and is the first such undertaking for a Democratic presidential candidate and the DNC. The agreement enables a donor to contribute simultaneously to Kerry and the national committee.
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/49_104/-5045-1.html
amborin
(16,631 posts)berningman
(144 posts)NowSam
(1,252 posts)and knock it off, while reassuring us that there is no real conflict of interest. I now believe she is taking a dive on purpose and that her real goal is a financial fleecing.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Akicita
(1,196 posts)Don't you understand that the coronation must go on. What other candidate has dodged sniper bullets for America? Who has stood arm in arm with the victims of her husbands sexual depredations, making sure they receive justice? Are you aware that she has the economic moxy to turn a $1,000 investment into a $100,000 profit just by reading the Wall Street Journal?
I am surprised she has not been campaigning on her investment acumen. She must be saving it as a secret weapon. Put her in office, give her control of the Treasury, give her a copy of the Wall Street Journal, let her invest in the cattle futures market, and our 19 trillion dollar debt will just disappear. She's proven it.
ReasonableToo
(505 posts)Now $ goes to candidates
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)a few months ago telling me about big ticket fundraisers and how it helps the candidates up and down the line and we "regular people" benefit from these types of deals. Almost the exact same wording used in this article...............
alfredo
(60,071 posts)Down ticket candidates will look favorable upon the politician that is helping fund their campaign.
It works that way all the way down to the local level.
4dsc
(5,787 posts)EOM
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)More of an enema. ....
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Duckfan
(1,268 posts)Did she just get released in time to F-up our democracy?
When I hear DNC, or DWS I now think of the anti-christ.
Didn't use to, but now I do.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Can we ditch the chair please? Pretty soon? Like: yesterday?
What is that horrible DINO still doing there?!?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)I plead total ignorance about this, but it seems like going forward one way to hold them accountable and increase the visibility of this is to bring a major class action suit, or voting rights action, or something, for this behavior.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)TBF
(32,047 posts)it is March 11th and I will be away for Spring Break. The cheapest ticket was $250, and there was a $10,000 option for a couple to attend, dinner & photo with Obama. How cool would that be? But for much less than $10,000 I will be visiting a national park with my kiddos and NOT giving money to the DNC.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Spending time with your kiddos in nature is a much better use of your money, anyway.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)None.
I live in a red state where money from the national party is not benefiting me, anyway. Why in the hell would I send money to the national party so the Clintons, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, and corporatists can scheme against my candidate?
HELL, NO!
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)Apparently a misleading/dishonest title is all it takes to generate outrage today. Several people have pointed out that the actual story is about a joint-fundraising agreement, which both Clinton and Sanders have previously agreed to.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)DNC / Clinton Campaign.
Your post does nothing to refute the OP. Show us that the Sanders Campaign is happy with what is happening.
We are fighting the corrupt political culture of the rich, super-rich, and super-duper-rich and their strangle hold on the political process. We want the People to have more power in the political process and not the super-rich that some seem to worship.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)If you have a case, spell it out. I don't know the circumstances at the time of the signing, if in fact they did sign. You've made no case. I also don't know if the Sanders' campaign is happy with the results. I don't trust the billionaire backed DNC to be honest. They want Clinton so bad that you should be skeptical. Why do the rich and super-rich want Clinton sooo bad?
It's sad that now some Democrats are embracing Citizens United and the Corp-Media because they favor Clinton.
This is a class war and Sanders and Clinton are on opposite sides.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)Okay -
1. Joint Fundraising Agreements are a part of the fundraising process for campaigns.
2. JFAs have nothing to do with Citizens United, which deals with independent expenditures.
2. No campaign is obliged to sign one.
3. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton chose to sign one.
4. Bernie Sanders hasn't complained about signing one.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)"Clintons own campaign has been a major beneficiary, getting an infusion of low-dollar contributions through the committee at a time when rival Bernie Sanderss army of small donors is helping him close in on her financially. The fund is run by Clinton campaign staff, and its treasurer is Clintons chief operating officer."
The hubris of the DNC and Clinton campaign will be their downfall. The "anything goes" is not a Democratic Principle.
spyker29
(89 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's difficult for me to determine with great certainty whether it's a matter of someone mis-reading, or not reading, or deliberately "misunderstanding".
Whatever it may be, and regardless of anyone's motivations, what's NOT difficult for me to be certain about is that Bernie will not be the nominee. Super Tuesday is coming this way very soon and in due time, threads like this one will become a thing of the past.
treestar
(82,383 posts)No facts, please.
Bernie is so entitled to the nomination that Hillary should just step down! (And I've actually seen that posted here). The DNC should bow down to him. The states should change from caucus to primary or the other way round depending on which side factors Bernie, or it's CORRUPTION!
Faux pas
(14,667 posts)Beating us by cheating us.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Are maximizing on dysfunction in the FEC right now.
There must be so many loopholes and poorly defined regs in the current campaign finance law that it can't be effective at all.
This article makes me ill.
But thanks for exposing it so we all know the lengths to which the DNC and HRC will go to land the nomination.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)she honored her agreement to help the state parties, BS signed but so far raised $1000. Tell Bernie to live up to the agreement or he should refuse funding or support in the general from the DNC.
wolfie001
(2,227 posts)These people have zero in common with the lower and middle classes (under $250,000 is middle class, right Hillary?).
chknltl
(10,558 posts)DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)You don't think the repubs are pushing money every which way too? Bernie is not a member of the Democratic Party. I wish he were. Since Citizen United money is coming from everywhere through clever ways. We the people don't even know who is buying our elections. No one is required to report who gives what. It's coming from other countries too. DNC money is only a drop in the bucket.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)...if he needs more Democratic support.
George II
(67,782 posts)....to the tune of $18M last quarter. You know, the party that she's belonged to for decades.
Sanders hasn't funneled a thin dime to the Democratic Party.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)some of the Hillary supporters who believe that "regular people" are helped by big money fundraisers
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)for us "regular people"
George II
(67,782 posts)Clinton donates millions to strapped Democratic Party
Associated Press
Published: February 18, 2016, 6:54 am Updated: February 18, 2016, 6:56 am
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So much for the "funneling", eh?