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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:02 PM Feb 2016

Republican Operatives Try to Help Bernie Sanders: "We'll win every state if Bernie's their nominee"

Republicans aren't just hoping Bernie will be the Democratic nominee for president. They are pitching in to help him!
Republican PACs such as America Rising and American Crossroads, co-founded by Karl Rove as well as Sean Spicer, chief Strategist and spokesman for the RNC, are putting up ads and tweets attacking Clinton and promoting Sen Sanders. It's called picking your candidate, whereby a political party campaigns for the candidate they would rather face in the election.


"Sean Spicer, the chief strategist and spokesman for the RNC, spent much of the evening tweeting Sanders-friendly commentary on the debate, often with the pro-Sanders hashtag #FeelTheBern."


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders



Republican operatives are having a strange crush on Bernie Sanders.

During Sunday night’s Democratic debate, the Republican National Committee made the unusual move of sending no fewer than four real-time e-mails to reporters defending the self-described democratic socialist from attacks by Hillary Clinton or echoing his message against her. Based on their content, one could be forgiven for thinking the RNC communiques came from the Sanders campaign.

One RNC e-mail, which was titled “Clinton’s Misleading Health Care Attack,” defended the Vermont senator from what it described as “the Clinton campaign’s inaccurate remarks on Sanders’ single-payer plan,” and quoted news articles that featured rebuttals of her arguments. A second message countered Clinton’s attacks on Sanders over gun control by pointing out her gun-friendly statements in the past. Two other e-mails sought to bolster Sanders’ case that Clinton is too close to Wall Street and the drug industry.

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Meanwhile, American Crossroads, a group co-founded by Karl Rove, is airing an ad in Iowa bolstering a core tenet of Sanders’s case against Clinton: that she has received large sums of campaign contributions from Wall Street, and therefore can't be trusted to crack down on big banks. “Hillary rewarded Wall Street with a $700 billion bailout, then Wall Street made her a multi-millionaire,” a narrator in the ad says. “Does Iowa really want Wall Street in the White House?”

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“In Iowa, American Crossroads is helping Bernie Sanders by depicting Hillary Clinton as a Wall Street insider,” Jack Pitney, a political science professor at Claremont McKenna College, wrote on his blog.
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Hmmmmm, I wonder how much of those donations Sanders got after the New Hampshire primary (which, by the way, was open to cross-over voters) were from Republican PACs?



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Republican Operatives Try to Help Bernie Sanders: "We'll win every state if Bernie's their nominee" (Original Post) Bill USA Feb 2016 OP
Bullshit. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #1
I don't write for Bloomberg. It was their article. Bill USA Feb 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #15
Clinton has near zero cross-over. Sanders pulls Independents. They should prefer to run against her. GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #47
I want to see the numbers. How many ads has Rove run against Clinton in Nevada? mhatrw Feb 2016 #26
matchup polls are meaningless as they don't show the effects of GOP demonization of Sanders. In an Bill USA Feb 2016 #50
Double Bullshit! They want to run against Hillary Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #53
Let me guess... kristopher Feb 2016 #2
Running against Bernie is the republicans only workinclasszero Feb 2016 #3
Really? Have you seen the GE polls? Bernie crushes all repubs, Hillary doesnt. Get your facts litlbilly Feb 2016 #11
Dukakis was once ahead of Bush by 17. iandhr Feb 2016 #20
Bush Senior had been VP for years hifiguy Feb 2016 #24
different times. Why the hell would you even bring that up? try again... litlbilly Feb 2016 #25
Why not answer my question. Have you seen the GE polls? Who crushes all repubs and who doesnt? litlbilly Feb 2016 #27
I think it is obvious I have. Which is why I referenced Dukakis "crushing lead." iandhr Feb 2016 #36
To be fair, Dukakis' social media presence was really lacking. frylock Feb 2016 #39
matchup polls are meaningless as they don't show the effects of GOP demonization of Sanders. In an Bill USA Feb 2016 #57
This same article from a month ago EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #4
GOP's Anti-Sanders ad is intended to help and not hurt Sanders Gothmog Feb 2016 #14
I believe if you check EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #23
It's amazing how much stock Hillary Supporter puts into Turd Blossom. frylock Feb 2016 #40
Yeah, Bloomberg News just made it all up. LOL!! Bill USA Feb 2016 #51
Clinton Camp: GOP Attacks On Hillary Show They'd Rather Face Bernie In Fall Gothmog Feb 2016 #5
That's just not true--Bernie would probably win at least 8-10 states book_worm Feb 2016 #6
OMG, can u believe this guy? How uptight are the Hillarites now? Diamonds will soon litlbilly Feb 2016 #7
Litl; do you think Sahil Kapur, the guy who wrote the article, is an HRC supporter? Did he tell the Bill USA Feb 2016 #54
Oh, please. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #9
Republicans clearly would prefer Hillary because her policies are so similar to theirs Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #10
They would LOVE to run against Sanders. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #12
What color is the sky in the world you live in? hifiguy Feb 2016 #21
I love juicy skeletons Politicalboi Feb 2016 #33
Is Hillary not trying her damndest to vet him into oblivion? JudyM Feb 2016 #41
Yeah, we've been waiting for months for that "little birdie" frylock Feb 2016 #44
They're very lost when it comes to feeling the pulse of America. This will be fun. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #13
Why are College republicans voting or trying to vote for Sanders in the Nevada Caucuses??? Gothmog Feb 2016 #16
They haven't looked in the Klown Kar lately, hifiguy Feb 2016 #17
They wanted Obama in 08 too. bunnies Feb 2016 #18
And many of us Democrats wanted Reagan to be the GOP candidate in 1980.... Jim Lane Feb 2016 #49
Sure they would rather face this crowd UglyGreed Feb 2016 #19
I bet the overflow bathroom was full:) litlbilly Feb 2016 #28
You may be right UglyGreed Feb 2016 #30
Probably the longest line at that event! frylock Feb 2016 #45
:) litlbilly Feb 2016 #46
k&r DesertRat Feb 2016 #22
LOL ananda Feb 2016 #29
If they were voting for Hillary we would be reading about her great crossover appeal. djean111 Feb 2016 #31
Republicons aren't exactly known for intelligence. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #32
Hillary camp setting up a preemptive narrative incase they lose? Why else would they be spreading jillan Feb 2016 #34
The attempts to hurt Bernie are stinking to high hell. pacalo Feb 2016 #35
This may sound good, but ONLY if you don't look at the polls.... bvar22 Feb 2016 #37
Republican operatives have been so dead-on right on just about everything lately too. frylock Feb 2016 #38
Two Things SDJay Feb 2016 #42
So Dems and GOP are working together to denigrate Bernie? Avalux Feb 2016 #43
Great News: Let the GOP underestimate Bernie just like the establishment always has. jg10003 Feb 2016 #48
Is it Opposite Day? It must be Opposite Day! AzDar Feb 2016 #52
that is the way crooked operatives try to gather votes for Hilary... kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #55
The old triple twist double back flip reverse reverse psychology ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #56
Yep. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #59
K & R for exposure. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #58
I hate Republicans, but I have to admit they're a lot better a psy-ops than we are... mak3cats Feb 2016 #60
another Republican stooge trying to 'line up' Bernie for the kill Recoverin_Republican Mar 2016 #61
another GOPer "for" Bernie? Bill USA Mar 2016 #62
some more GOP efforts to 'line up' Bernie in their cross-hairs Bill USA Apr 2016 #63

Response to Bill USA (Reply #8)

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
47. Clinton has near zero cross-over. Sanders pulls Independents. They should prefer to run against her.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
26. I want to see the numbers. How many ads has Rove run against Clinton in Nevada?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:15 PM
Feb 2016

Show us the fucking numbers or this is just another bullshit hail mary "electability" fantasy.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
50. matchup polls are meaningless as they don't show the effects of GOP demonization of Sanders. In an
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:04 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)

actual election they will have the gullible thinking Bernie will build a Kremlin on the Potomac and take all their pick-up trucks. There is none better than the GOP at demonizing their opponents.


here's Bloomberg's press contacts page, if you want to tell them what you think of their article: http://www.bloomberg.com/company/press-contacts/

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
11. Really? Have you seen the GE polls? Bernie crushes all repubs, Hillary doesnt. Get your facts
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:06 PM
Feb 2016

right. Stop posting bullshit

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. Bush Senior had been VP for years
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016

and could project something like an air of competence.

You HAVE seen what the Repig field this time looks like, haven't you? Fly-eating dingbats, every one of them. Next to them Bush Senior looks like Ike or George Washington.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
36. I think it is obvious I have. Which is why I referenced Dukakis "crushing lead."
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

Once the GOP runs 2 billion dollars worth of Ads using the phrase "increase government by 40% his polls numbers will fall at lightening speed.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
57. matchup polls are meaningless as they don't show the effects of GOP demonization of Sanders. In an
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:39 PM
Feb 2016

actual election they will have the gullible thinking Bernie will build a Kremlin on the Potomac and take all their pick-up trucks. There is none better than the GOP at demonizing their opponents.


here's Bloomberg's press contacts page, if you want to tell them what you think of their article: http://www.bloomberg.com/company/press-contacts/

Gothmog

(145,063 posts)
14. GOP's Anti-Sanders ad is intended to help and not hurt Sanders
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:07 PM
Feb 2016

Karl Rove is running the standard attack ads against Clinton but other GOP types are trying to help Sanders also. The ad mentioned in the OP is really designed to help Sanders and not hurt him. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gops-anti-sanders-attack-ad-intended-help-not-hurt-sanders

About a month ago, a Republican super PAC launched a $600,000 ad buy that, on the surface, might have looked like an attack ad targeting Bernie Sanders. A closer look, however, made clear it was the opposite – the commercial, backed by a prominent Republican mega-donor, was actually trying to boost Sanders, not hurt him.

The ad called Sanders a “liberal” who supports tuition-free college, single-payer health care, and higher taxes on the “super-rich.” The intention was to boost Sanders in the Iowa caucuses, since Republicans see the Vermont senator as an easy target in the general election.

This week, it’s happening again. A group called Future 45 is running ads that, at first blush, seem critical. But the spots actually tout some of Sanders’ ideas that are popular with Democratic primary voters: an increase in the minimum wage, higher taxes on banks and corporations, tuition-free college, and universal health care.

And who’s Future 45? The Intercept reported yesterday:

Future 45 is [a super PAC] run by Brian O. Walsh, a longtime Republican operative who has in the past served as political director for the National Republican Congressional Committee. Most recently, he was president of the American Action Network, a dark money group that was the second-largest outside spender in 2010.

Over the last year, Future 45 has been funded primarily by hedge fund managers. Two billionaire Rubio-backers – Paul Singer, who runs Elliott Management, and Ken Griffin, who runs Citadel – have each contributed $250,000.

The overarching point is effectively the same as it was a month ago: Republicans are running anti-Sanders “attack” ads that are actually intended to help him, not hurt him.

As we discussed in the first go-around, this is part of a larger strategy in which Republican mega-donors try to manipulate Democratic voters because they see Sanders as a sure loser in November.

Karl Rove and the GOP mega donors know that Sanders is the weakest possible general election candidate and are running ads to help Sanders. The fact that some think that these ads are to hurt Sanders is sad but funny.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
23. I believe if you check
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:12 PM
Feb 2016

Karl Rove is an idiot with no history of picking winners except for George Bush, who didn't even really win the Presidency at least once.

Karl Rove, like many Hillary supporters, thinks we're still in the cold war. And thinks that people are so stupid on 2016 that they'd vote for Trump or Cruz over Sanders... He's obviously wrong, as say all the polls.

Clintons own team predicted - repeatedly - that the more people got to know Sanders the more they'd reject him - they were wrong too.

And of course thinking that the right will be more motivated to vote because of Sanders than Hillary Clinton is obviously nonsense.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
40. It's amazing how much stock Hillary Supporter puts into Turd Blossom.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:49 PM
Feb 2016


This is the guy they're pissing themselves over? What the ever-loving fuck?!

Gothmog

(145,063 posts)
5. Clinton Camp: GOP Attacks On Hillary Show They'd Rather Face Bernie In Fall
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:04 PM
Feb 2016

The GOP really wants to run against a weaker candidate http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-karl-rove-attack

The Hillary Clinton campaign on Tuesday said that recent attacks from conservatives show that Republicans are hoping Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) will win the Democratic nomination because they believe he would be easier to beat in the general election.

In a Tuesday evening statement, the Clinton campaign's communications director, Jennifer Palmieri, mentioned an ad from the Rove-aligned super PAC American Crossroads, which accused Clinton of being in Wall Street's pocket. Palmieri said the ad suggests that Republicans want to face Sanders in the general election.

"While Senator Sanders tries to make a case on electability based on meaningless polls, Republicans and their super PACs have made clear the candidate they’re actually afraid to face. The Sanders argument falls apart when the GOP spokesman is trying to help him and the Republicans run ads trying to stop Hillary Clinton in the primary," she said in the statement.

Karl Rove is running an attack ad against Clinton in the Iowa primary. Rove is doing this for one purpose which is to weaken the strongest candidate

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
6. That's just not true--Bernie would probably win at least 8-10 states
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:04 PM
Feb 2016

so he will do better than McGovern and Mondale and probably be on par with Dukakis.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
7. OMG, can u believe this guy? How uptight are the Hillarites now? Diamonds will soon
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:05 PM
Feb 2016

be popping out of their butts

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
54. Litl; do you think Sahil Kapur, the guy who wrote the article, is an HRC supporter? Did he tell the
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016

Republican to say that they would take all the states of Bernie was the Democratic nominee?

Did he 'invent' the facts, that American Crossroads, the PAC Rove co-founded, paid for anti-Clinton ads?


IF he invented these things, he can/should be sued. Is that you next step?




 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
12. They would LOVE to run against Sanders.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:06 PM
Feb 2016

An unvetted candidate is a dream come true for the Republicans, and the media is holding back the juiciest skeletons in his closet.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
21. What color is the sky in the world you live in?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:12 PM
Feb 2016

I am genuinely curious.

Running "experienced" McCain against "unproven" Obama worked out so well for them, didn't it?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
33. I love juicy skeletons
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:23 PM
Feb 2016

But Bernie ain't got any. Hillary on the other hand has closets full of skeletons and Big Bubba to worry about.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
44. Yeah, we've been waiting for months for that "little birdie"
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:52 PM
Feb 2016

Where is it? Team Clinton may want to hatch that egg tout de suite, because time is running short. chirp-chirp.

Gothmog

(145,063 posts)
16. Why are College republicans voting or trying to vote for Sanders in the Nevada Caucuses???
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:09 PM
Feb 2016

Karl Rove is running the standard attack ads against Clinton but other GOP types are trying to help Sanders also. The ad mentioned in the OP is really designed to help Sanders and not hurt him. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gops-anti-sanders-attack-ad-intended-help-not-hurt-sanders

About a month ago, a Republican super PAC launched a $600,000 ad buy that, on the surface, might have looked like an attack ad targeting Bernie Sanders. A closer look, however, made clear it was the opposite – the commercial, backed by a prominent Republican mega-donor, was actually trying to boost Sanders, not hurt him.

The ad called Sanders a “liberal” who supports tuition-free college, single-payer health care, and higher taxes on the “super-rich.” The intention was to boost Sanders in the Iowa caucuses, since Republicans see the Vermont senator as an easy target in the general election.

This week, it’s happening again. A group called Future 45 is running ads that, at first blush, seem critical. But the spots actually tout some of Sanders’ ideas that are popular with Democratic primary voters: an increase in the minimum wage, higher taxes on banks and corporations, tuition-free college, and universal health care.

And who’s Future 45? The Intercept reported yesterday:

Future 45 is [a super PAC] run by Brian O. Walsh, a longtime Republican operative who has in the past served as political director for the National Republican Congressional Committee. Most recently, he was president of the American Action Network, a dark money group that was the second-largest outside spender in 2010.

Over the last year, Future 45 has been funded primarily by hedge fund managers. Two billionaire Rubio-backers – Paul Singer, who runs Elliott Management, and Ken Griffin, who runs Citadel – have each contributed $250,000.

The overarching point is effectively the same as it was a month ago: Republicans are running anti-Sanders “attack” ads that are actually intended to help him, not hurt him.

As we discussed in the first go-around, this is part of a larger strategy in which Republican mega-donors try to manipulate Democratic voters because they see Sanders as a sure loser in November.

Karl Rove and the GOP mega donors know that Sanders is the weakest possible general election candidate and are running ads to help Sanders. The fact that some think that these ads are to hurt Sanders is sad but funny.
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
49. And many of us Democrats wanted Reagan to be the GOP candidate in 1980....
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:54 PM
Feb 2016

because it was obvious we could easily beat someone who was perceived as being so far from the center.

Sometimes, it seems, the electorate can be spooked about a candidate who's perceived as too conservative (Goldwater) or too liberal (McGovern). Other times, though, there's a widespread feeling that the country's on the wrong track. In those elections it's actually an advantage to be perceived as being somewhat outside the same-old-same-old business-as-usual crowd.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
31. If they were voting for Hillary we would be reading about her great crossover appeal.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:20 PM
Feb 2016

Oh, and this is not in any way a reason to stop supporting Bernie, and start supporting Hillary. Because - issues.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
34. Hillary camp setting up a preemptive narrative incase they lose? Why else would they be spreading
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:24 PM
Feb 2016

this BULLSHIT!?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
37. This may sound good, but ONLY if you don't look at the polls....
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:31 PM
Feb 2016

...which has Bernie beating the CRAP out of every Republican in the GE.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
42. Two Things
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:50 PM
Feb 2016

1. Those idiots worked hard to deliver Obama to the GE in 08. Nice move, morons.
2. If they're so good at politics these days, why does their candidate list and every debate look like a monkey shit fight at the zoo?

I'll put stock in anything these assholes think, say or do when they show any signs of competence, awareness, a relationship with reality or compassion. Pretty sure none of those things are happening anytime soon.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
43. So Dems and GOP are working together to denigrate Bernie?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 06:51 PM
Feb 2016

Seems that way to me. But they better be care who they sell their souls to...they may not like the new owners.

jg10003

(975 posts)
48. Great News: Let the GOP underestimate Bernie just like the establishment always has.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:13 PM
Feb 2016

Both the DNC and the GOP, along with the MSM, have never understood Bernie's appeal. Let the GOP believe that HRC, with all of her baggage and unfavorable ratings, is a stronger opponent than Bernie. In 1980 the Dems wanted Reagan to win the nomination because they thought he would be the easiest to beat. Now it's time for the GOP to make the same mistake.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
56. The old triple twist double back flip reverse reverse psychology ...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

... trick, eh? Yeah, don't fall for it! It's a trap!

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
60. I hate Republicans, but I have to admit they're a lot better a psy-ops than we are...
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:06 PM
Feb 2016

...so they run ads against Hillary and supposedly supporting Sanders. So Dems get turned off on Bernie. And don't vote for him. And Hillary gets the nomination. And the Republicans get to run against her and all her baggage. And they win the White House. End of story.

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