Emails expose close ties between Hillary Clinton and accused war criminal Henry Kissinger

[bobthedrummer]

(Ben Norton and Jared Flanery January 2016 Salon)
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/12/emails_expose_close_ties_between_hillary_clinton_and_accused_war_criminal_henry_kissinger

No "artful smear" bs anymore.

[guillaumeb]

1. Kissinger has never been convicted of war crimes.

But then American war criminals never are.

[mikehiggins]

3. Just reading your opening line caused me to see red.

Of course, you are correct but I mistook what you opened with as some sort of defense of one of the true evil men in American history.

HRC's refusal to denounce this monster always drives my blood pressure to unhealthy levels. If there is a special place in hell for women who don't support HRC it has to be 80 or 90 places above people who can turn a blind eye to someone that makes Cheney look like a philosopher king.

[tk2kewl]

4. i do not think it was meant as a defense

[guillaumeb]

5. I actually received a hide, one of only two so far at DU,

for suggesting that William Clinton and Madeleine Albright were unindicted and un-convicted genocidaires. I would of course put Kissinger in that category also, for his crimes from Chile to Vietnam. But, as I said, the World Court will never have the opportunity to put US war criminals on trial.

This rewriting of history does not serve Americans well. It leads, in my view, to the constant wars of regime change that make enemies as fast as the US kills people.

[roguevalley]

51. Henry Kissinger deserves life in front of a firing squad. He's pure evil and her buddy

my grandfather said you can tell a lot about someone from the company they keep'

He advised Argentina who took people out over the Pacific Ocean in airplanes and threw they out.

This is beyond disgusting: he's not convicted.

[nichomachus]

7. And Michael Jackson wasn't convicted to molesting kids

Would you have let your kid stay overnight at his house?

[guillaumeb]

20. Please read my reply number 5

[hifiguy]

18. True.

In a world where the rule of law were applied equally, Kissinger would have been hanged for war crimes and crimes against humanity at least 30 years ago.

But now he's Herself's BFF. Which tells you everything you need to know about her. Kissinger, Blankfein, Murdoch. She appears to like to stay particularly close to the vilest people on the planet.

[Zorra]

37. Pol Pot And Kissinger: On war criminality and impunity

"The illegal we can do right now; the unconstitutional will take a little longer."
--Henry Kissinger

"The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people."
(Henry Kissinger commenting on Chile, prior to Augusto Pinochet's U.S.-supported / CIA-facilitated military coup against Chile's democratically-elected President Salvador Allende)

Pol Pot And Kissinger: On war criminality and impunity

Another way of looking at our targeting of war criminals is by analogy to domestic policy choices on budget cuts and incarceration, where the pattern is to attack the relatively weak and ignore and protect those with political and economic muscle. Pol Pot is now isolated and politically expendable, so an obvious choice for villainization. By contrast, Indonesian leader Suharto, the butcher of perhaps a million people (mainly landless peasants) in 1965-66, and the invader, occupier, and mass murderer of East Timor from 1975 to today, is courted and protected by the Great Powers, and was referred to by an official of the Clinton administration in 1996 as "our kind of guy." Pinochet, the torturer and killer of many thousands, is treated kindly in the United States as the Godfather of the wonderful new neoliberal Chile. President Ford and Secretary of State Kissinger, who gave the go ahead to Suharto's invasion of East Timor and subsequent massive war crimes there, and the same Kissinger, who helped President Nixon engineer and then protect the Pinochet coup and regime of torture and murder and directed the first phase of the holocaust in Cambodia (1969-75), remain honored citizens. The media have never suggested that these men should be brought to trial in the interest of justice, law, and "civilization."
snip---
The Times, along with everybody else in the mainstream media, also fails to mention that before Pol Pot came to power in 1975, the United States had devastated Cambodia for the first half of what a Finnish government's study referred to as a "decade" of genocide (not just the four years of Pol Pot's rule, 1975-78). The "secret bombing" of Cambodia by the Nixon-Kissinger gang may have killed as many Cambodians as were executed by the Khmer Rouge and surely contributed to the ferocity of Khmer Rouge behavior toward the urban elite and citizenry whose leaders had allied themselves with the foreign terrorists.
snip---
"...It can be suggested in the Canadian media that maybe Nixon and Kissinger are war criminals also (Thomas Walkum, "Let's try Kissinger along with Pol Pot," Toronto Star, June 30, 1997), but not in the mainstream U.S. press. Even a scholar like Ben Kiernan, who wrote eloquently about the U.S. support of Pol Pot in the Reagan-Bush years, now places an op ed column in the New York Times (June 20, 1997) denouncing Pol Pot and calling for his trial, without even mentioning phase one or suggesting any compromising of the case by the aggressive post-1978 U.S. and Western support of the war criminal. Kiernan had been subjected to a furious red-baiting campaign by the right-wing fanatic Stephen Morris and Wall Street Journal editors, and in an excellent illustration of the working of "flak" is now busily proving his anti-Pol Pot credentials.
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Those who attack alleged "defenders of Pol Pot" can lie with impunity. On June 23, Anthony Lewis jumped into the fray, boldly denouncing Pol Pot and urging his prosecution for war crimes. Lewis did mention the "bombing inflicted on the peasant society by President Nixon and Henry Kissinger," but only as an introduction to the fact that Pol Pot outdid our leaders. No suggestion of any causal relation between the bombing (etc.) and the "one million Cambodians [who] lost their lives" in phase two. Lewis also does not discuss whether, even if Pol Pot was worse, the toll under Nixon and Kissinger wasn't high enough to be worthy of a war crimes trial.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/PolPotKissinger_Herman.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/HKissinger.html

[hifiguy]

39. At least Pol Pot died in squalor and misery.

Kissinger counts his millions and the world, including HRH, kisses his wrinkled old criminal ass.

We are a disgrace. He should have been hanged for war crimes and crimes against humanity 35 years ago.

[Zorra]

40. Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta

"I happen to believe that Henry Kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country," Sanders huffed, adding, "I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger." He referred to the secret bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam war as a Kissinger-orchestrated move that eventually led to genocide in that country. "So count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger," Sanders roared. Clinton defended her association with Kissinger by replying, "I listen to a wide variety of voices that have expertise in various areas." She cast her interactions with Kissinger as motivated by her desire to obtain any information that might be useful to craft policy. "People we may disagree with on a number of things may have some insight, may have some relationships that are important for the president to understand in order to best protect the United States," she said.

What Clinton did not mention was that her bond with Kissinger was personal as well as professional, as she and her husband have for years regularly spent their winter holidays with Kissinger and his wife, Nancy, at the beachfront villa of fashion designer Oscar de la Renta, who died in 2014, and his wife, Annette, in the Dominican Republic.

This campaign tussle over Kissinger began a week earlier, at a previous debate, when Clinton, looking to boost her résumé, said, "I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better than anybody had run it in a long time. So I have an idea about what it's going to take to make our government work more efficiently." A few days later, Bill Clinton, while campaigning for his wife in New Hampshire, told a crowd of her supporters, "Henry Kissinger, of all people, said she ran the State Department better and got more out of the personnel at the State Department than any secretary of state in decades, and it's true." His audience of Democrats clapped loudly in response.

It was odd that the Clintons, locked in a fierce fight to win Democratic votes, would name-check a fellow who for decades has been criticized—and even derided as a war criminal—by liberals. Bill and Hillary Clinton themselves opposed the Vietnam War that Nixon and Kissinger inherited and continued. Hillary Clinton was a staffer on the House Judiciary Committee that voted to impeach Nixon, and one of the articles of impeachment drafted by the staff (but which was not approved) cited Nixon for covering up his secret bombing of Cambodia. In the years since then, information has emerged showing that Kissinger's underhanded and covert diplomacy led to brutal massacres around the globe, including in Chile, Argentina, East Timor, and Bangladesh.
(more)

The article 'further states that the Clinton campaign did not respond to a request for comment, and neither did Henry Kissinger.

[hifiguy]

41. Those two will say or do anything, and I do mean ANYTHING

to advance themselves. The only word I can find for the Clintons is "Nixonian."

[Zorra]

42. Anyone responsible for the deaths of as many innocent children as Kissinger

is some seriously bad company.

There is a word for people who believe that mass murder of innocent people in the name of corporate imperialist profit is justifiable, and even noble.

Sociopath.

[hifiguy]

43. 110% AGREED.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. They're just sharing their vast "experience".

And, how to CYA when it comes up in debates.

[nichomachus]

8. I don't think either of them had experience that was vast

More like half-vast.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. LOL.

[Laughing Mirror]

6. Birds of a feather

The elite class doesn't care what you've done or who you are, just that you are elite. Like them.

[Ferd Berfel]

10. emails? Hell, she calls him a mentor and vacations with the bastard!

talk about the oligarchy's insiders club.

[Uncle Joe]

11. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, bobthedrummer.

[silvershadow]

12. She was, after all, not only a Goldwater Girl, but also a Nelson Rockefeller devotee in 68.

She had a change of heart, and now is a Sanders wannabe.

[Dont call me Shirley]

13. Thinking like HK and consequent actions following that thinking are what is destroying humanity

and the earth.

[Merryland]

14. I can't bear to look at his genocidal face

on the Salon article, hugging each other...ugh.

[FailureToCommunicate]

15. BFFs?

[John Poet]

45. Love Stinks?

Fucking nauseating.

[SHRED]

16. This is "inside baseball"

Will it even register with the voters at large?

[mikehiggins]

26. It should register with anyone who thinks VietNam was the worst mistake in US history,

at least until the Supreme Court got Bush the Presidency.

Vultures of a feather...

[Enthusiast]

17. Kicked and recommended!

[passiveporcupine]

19. I don't always agree with Hitchens, but

this time sure do. On all counts here:

[LondonReign2]

21. Hillary supporters don't fucking care

Amazing, but true. No facts are going to sway them.

[hifiguy]

23. She could co-host a prime-time kitten barbeque and puppy shoot

with DicKKK Cheney and the Fan Club could find a way to explain it away. It truly is sickening.

[bobthedrummer]

24. "No facts are going to sway them."

thanks LondonReign2-I love that line

[bobthedrummer]

22. ARK,ARK,ARK,ARK Kick!

[kgnu_fan]

25. I think this should be noted widely...

[bobthedrummer]

27. Warren Buffet, the billionaire from Omaha, has endorsed Hillary-does anyone really care about that?

Speaking of Omaha, and Warren Buffet, and Henry Kissinger, take a good read of the link below for some history that continues to be ignored.

Chapter 21-Omaha
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016139460

[bobthedrummer]

28. ^

[bobthedrummer]

29. REVOLTING!!!

[bobthedrummer]

30. "Money trumps peace..." in the Third Way too. Kick.

[G_j]

31. Kissinger easily in the running with Cheney

for top American war criminal.

[bobthedrummer]

32. A musical message for HRC, and a kick for today. POLICY OF TRUTH (Depeche Mode)

[bobthedrummer]

33. It sure stinks, doesn't it??? n/t

[bobthedrummer]

34. Hillary Clinton says "supporting veterans is a sacred responsibility". So why, after five years,

hasn't she apologized to Ray McGovern? HYPOCRITE!

Newly released documents from Clinton's private email server speak to his severe beatdown and arrest after turning his back to her at George Washington University.
http://www.justiceonline.org

[bobthedrummer]

35. ^

[bobthedrummer]

36. We're waiting...

[UglyGreed]

38. They vacationed together

in the Dominican Republic.

[autonomous]

44. Kissinger would be a welcome, valued guest in Hillary Clinton's White House

[bobthedrummer]

46. Speaking of accused war criminals like Kissinger, take a look at the depth of their market

I again repost an OP by Stephanie that still is of considerable worth in the context of this thread

UAE and BCCI>>> (Stephanie February 22, 2006)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x490176

ARTFUL SMEAR, HUH? WE, THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING INTO ALL OF THAT TOO, MADAME SECRETARY.

[bobthedrummer]

47. What a liar, huh? There it is. n/t

[bobthedrummer]

48. There are many war profiteers supporting HRC too-for her service to them, ya think?

Bankster USA (The Center for Media and Democracy)
http://www.prwatch.org/topics/banksterusa

[Octafish]

49. Chicago School Ties from Chile to D.C.

I hate what the facts show, but here's why "hope" is about all we can expect in terms of "democratic action" since Nixon.
The author was a Chicago Boy helping implement the scam for Pinochet:

President Clinton and the Chilean Model.

By José Piñera

Midnight at the House of Good and Evil

"It is 12:30 at night, and Bill Clinton asks me and Dottie: 'What do you know about the Chilean social-security system?'” recounted Richard Lamm, the three-term former governor of Colorado. It was March 1995, and Lamm and his wife were staying that weekend in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House.

I read about this surprising midnight conversation in an article by Jonathan Alter (Newsweek, May 13, 1996), as I was waiting at Dulles International Airport for a flight to Europe. The article also said that early the next morning, before he left to go jogging, President Bill Clinton arranged for a special report about the Chilean reform produced by his staff to be slipped under Lamm's door.

That news piqued my interest, so as soon as I came back to the United States, I went to visit Richard Lamm. I wanted to know the exact circumstances in which the president of the world’s superpower engages a fellow former governor in a Saturday night exchange about the system I had implemented 15 years earlier.

Lamn and I shared a coffee on the terrace of his house in Denver. He not only was the most genial host to this curious Chilean, but he also proved to be deeply motivated by the issues surrounding aging and the future of America. So we had an engaging conversation. At the conclusion, I ventured to ask him for a copy of the report that Clinton had given him. He agreed to give it to me on the condition that I do not make it public while Clinton was president. He also gave me a copy of the handwritten note on White House stationery, dated 3-21-95, which accompanied the report slipped under his door. It read:

Dick,
Sorry I missed you this morning.
It was great to have you and Dottie here.
Here's the stuff on Chile I mentioned.
Best,
Bill.

Three months before that Clinton-Lamm conversation about the Chilean system, I had a long lunch in Santiago with journalist Joe Klein of Newsweek magazine. A few weeks afterwards, he wrote a compelling article entitled,[font color="green"] "If Chile can do it...couldn´t North America privatize its social-security system?" [/font color]He concluded by stating that "the Chilean system is perhaps the first significant social-policy idea to emanate from the Southern Hemisphere." (Newsweek, December 12, 1994).

I have reasons to think that probably this piece got Clinton’s attention and, given his passion for policy issues, he became a quasi expert on Chile’s Social Security reform. Clinton was familiar with Klein, as the journalist covered the 1992 presidential race and went on anonymously to write the bestseller Primary Colors, a thinly-veiled account of Clinton’s campaign.

“The mother of all reforms”

While studying for a Masters and a Ph.D. in economics at Harvard University, I became enamored with America’s unique experiment in liberty and limited government. In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville wrote the first volume of Democracy in America hoping that many of the salutary aspects of American society might be exported to his native France. I dreamed with exporting them to my native Chile.

So, upon finishing my Ph.D. in 1974 and while fully enjoying my position as a Teaching Fellow at Harvard University and a professor at Boston University, I took on the most difficult decision in my life: to go back to help my country rebuild its destroyed economy and democracy along the lines of the principles and institutions created in America by the Founding Fathers. Soon after I became Secretary of Labor and Social Security, and in 1980 I was able to create a fully funded system of personal retirement accounts. Historian Niall Ferguson has stated that this reform was “the most profound challenge to the welfare state in a generation. Thatcher and Reagan came later. The backlash against welfare started in Chile.”

But while de Tocqueville’s 1835 treatment contained largely effusive praise of American government, the second volume of Democracy in America, published five years later, strikes a more cautionary tone. He warned that “the American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.” In fact at some point during the 20th century, the culture of self reliance and individual responsibility that had made America a great and free nation was diluted by the creation of [font color="green"] “an Entitlement State,”[/font color] reminiscent of the increasingly failed European welfare state. What America needed was a return to basics, to the founding tenets of limited government and personal responsibility.

[font color="green"]In a way, the principles America helped export so successfully to Chile through a group of free market economists needed to be reaffirmed through an emblematic reform. I felt that the Chilean solution to the impending Social Security crisis could be applied in the USA.[/font color]

CONTINUED...

http://www.josepinera.org/articles/articles_clinton_chilean_model.htm

It's like Greek Tragedy fused with Grand Theft America, this stuff. Thank you for the heads-up on the off-the-looper emails.

[bobthedrummer]

50. Then there is all the genocide and horror of the global elite's vacation spots too. A gilded age.

Bill Clinton's Africa entourage (Annie Karni April 28, 2015 Politico)
"Donors and big campaign fundraisers join him on his annual foundation trip abroad."
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/bill-clintons-africa-entourage-117445

Woe.

[bobthedrummer]

52. The best defense is offense-uh huh uh huh...endlessly....

[Octafish]

53. Big Oil Friendly Foreign Policy

Airstrip 1 and Airstrip 2 kept open 24/7 and all can go to hell swell.

Cindy Sheehan: Money Trumps Peace...Sometimes

A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Cindy Sheehan

It is always painful to watch George stumble his way through press conferences. He can't get through a sentence without at least two-three "uhs," his eyelids flutter up and down in what my daughter Carly calls the "liar's blink." It is painful that a human like that is ostensibly the leader of the free world. There is always a plethora of things that he says, does, or screws up on to write about but this time what caught my attention happened during the Q&A. George was asked if he thought the economic sanctions on Iran would work because so many European nations trade with that country.

He stopped to collect his thoughts with what he thought must've looked like a studied and careful demeanor, but more like someone with a sour tummy, and said: "well, let's put it this way...money trumps peace, sometimes. In other words, commercial interests are very powerful interests throughout the world." (I added the italics.) It is always interesting with people who frequently play fast and loose with the truth, such as the liars in BushCo, once in a while if they talk long enough, they tell a truth.

"Money trumps peace" is the fundamental reason for the invasions and subsequent gory and violent occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. In Richard Behan's excellent article "From Iraq to Afghanistan: Connecting the Dots with Oil," he brilliantly follows the history of the oil-money trail in these countries that are 1) rich in oil, and 2) well placed for the transportation and delivery of oil. Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan, or their leaders or governments had anything to do with 9-11, but they were in the way of oil and other industries that profit from oil, so they had to go. Money trumped peace in those countries and they are destroyed and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Afghanis, and Americans have been slaughtered because they were blocking American imperialistic profiteering.

"Money trumps peace" is the underlying reason for all wars as two-time Congressional Medal of Honor winner and highly decorated Major General Smedley D. Butler wrote in his reflective, prophetic work, "War is a Racket":

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

CONTINUED...

http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/cindy-sheehan-money-trumps-peacesometimes

War is a racket. Who ever heard of such a thing?

[John Poet]

54. Kick.

[bobthedrummer]

55. ^^^