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Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:58 PM

 

Hillary Clinton: I Could Compromise on Abortion If It Included Exceptions For Mother's Health

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html

HILLARY CLINTON: My husband vetoed a very restrictive legislation on late-term abortions and he vetoed it at an event in the White House where we invited a lot of women who had faced this very difficult decision, that ought to be made based on their own conscience, their family, their faith, in consultation with doctors. Those stories left a searing impression on me. Women who think their pregnancy is going well and then wake up and find some really terrible problem. Women whose life is threatened if they carry their child to term, and women who are told by doctors that the child they're carrying will not survive.

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.


"structure some kind of constitutional restriction"?!

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Reply Hillary Clinton: I Could Compromise on Abortion If It Included Exceptions For Mother's Health (Original post)
KamaAina Feb 2016 OP
mikehiggins Feb 2016 #1
Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #29
Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #36
Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #40
Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #45
Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #47
Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #52
passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #66
jwirr Feb 2016 #80
zigby Feb 2016 #120
Depaysement Feb 2016 #2
KamaAina Feb 2016 #3
Depaysement Feb 2016 #8
840high Feb 2016 #82
Demobrat Feb 2016 #67
Fla Dem Feb 2016 #86
emulatorloo Feb 2016 #89
HassleCat Feb 2016 #4
Beowulf Feb 2016 #62
scottie55 Feb 2016 #96
UglyGreed Feb 2016 #5
valerief Feb 2016 #27
Duppers Feb 2016 #35
Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #42
TCJ70 Feb 2016 #6
nichomachus Feb 2016 #59
Fuddnik Feb 2016 #60
nichomachus Feb 2016 #64
demwing Feb 2016 #109
Arazi Feb 2016 #7
KamaAina Feb 2016 #9
Arazi Feb 2016 #14
yodermon Feb 2016 #19
Arazi Feb 2016 #20
roguevalley Feb 2016 #21
Sparkly Apr 2016 #130
CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #31
passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #76
Arazi Feb 2016 #101
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ladjf Feb 2016 #11
Faux pas Feb 2016 #12
handmade34 Feb 2016 #15
roguevalley Feb 2016 #23
passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #79
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beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #16
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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:02 PM

1. Compromise on abortion? Sure. Fine. Run with that Sec'y CLinton.

OH, wait a minute. I'm a guy. Abortion doesn't apply to me.

Denying women the right to control their own bodies does.

This is the problem I have with HRC and the Big Dog. They'll compromise on anything if it advances their plans. I'm just too simple a person to handle the nuance of taking a position just a little away from Rubio's.

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Response to mikehiggins (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:57 PM

29. SHe''ll put Social Security on teh CHopping block too

as Obama DID!

Medicare - safe under Clinton?

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:06 PM

36. Giving up ground must be a part of her "winning" strategy...

 

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Response to Bohemianwriter (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:10 PM

40. I do not beleive that SHE sees it as "giving up ground"

I think she sees it as the proper direction.
She is a creature of Wall Street and the 1%. It's simply where she wants to go

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:14 PM

45. ...Or perhaps, it's the corporate money...

 

..and their corporate "personhood"...

Wonder if Hillary is against the corporate death penalty, or if she is only supportive of killing real humans in the name of her state...

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Response to Bohemianwriter (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:16 PM

47. She isn't even against Citizens United


There a post around here now about this one...regarding a SCOTUS appointment

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:25 PM

52. I thought she was...

 

But I guess she is only against the part with "dark money"...

I would choose Lawrence Lessig for the post and THREATEN any protesting republicans if they dared to vote against my choice...

I would go Karl Rove on them if they obstructed...

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:59 PM

66. She's always been a conservative

And claims to be religious, so this doesn't surprise me at all. Yes, she says as long as it protects the life of the mother. What about when the child will be born with serious, life-threatening, or permanent brain damage that will make their life a living hell on earth?

What about the right to not suffer and be forced to be born.

I'm all for legal euthanasia for humans, as long is it's decided by reasonable people (not for monitary gain...sorry grandkids). People should be able to die with dignity, not suffer because life is so damned precious. It's religion that has fucked this up. Religion says it's god's place to decide when you live or die...well fuck that. I don't like a lot of his decisions on that issue.

BTW, I'm an atheist, so I don't believe there is a god or an all-powerful entity that has anything to do with our lives or deaths.

Clinton’s been known to carry a Bible in her purse but, she told the 2007 CNN Faith Forum, “advertising” her faith “doesn’t come naturally to me.” Every vote Clinton made as a senator from New York, she said, was “a moral responsibility.”

http://www.religionnews.com/transmission/5-faith-facts-hillary-clinton-social-gospel-methodist-core/

So, Hillary, all those people who died or were injured in the war on Iraq...that was your moral decision?

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Response to Bohemianwriter (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:20 PM

80. Triangulation.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:03 PM

2. This seems to sacrifice a woman's right to choose

Or am I reading this incorrectly?

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Response to Depaysement (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:04 PM

3. That's why I'm throwing it out there

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:06 PM

8. Wow

Just wow.

I thought I had a reading comprehension problem.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:25 PM

82. Thank you.

 

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Response to Depaysement (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:00 PM

67. No.

No, you are not.

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Response to Depaysement (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:29 PM

86. She was speaking of late term abortions. Republicans want to abolish them all together. nt

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Response to Depaysement (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:39 PM

89. You are reading it incorrectly. Defending late term abortion for women whose lives are in danger

Republicans are against all abortion including late term ones where life health of mother is at stake. GOP wants those women to die.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:04 PM

4. Must triangulate. (eom)

 

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:50 PM

62. Exactly.

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Response to Beowulf (Reply #62)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:56 PM

96. Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....

 

Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....

I am sure this is what goes through her head every second of every day.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:04 PM

5. Women's rights

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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:56 PM

27. That's hilarious!

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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:05 PM

35. ^^^ True.

Dang! what a statement! Let her try.

Even if, as I learned down thread, she was speaking of late term abortions. This alone would cause me not to vote for her. This issue is very personal. I'll discuss it only if asked.



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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:11 PM

42. CApe weathervane

LOL That's great!


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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:05 PM

6. Come on now. That was September of last year!

She's had time to change her position...I wonder what it is today and what it'll be tomorrow.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:37 PM

59. It's called "evolving." Get with the program n/t

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:47 PM

60. It's called bullshit.

Or double-talk, or lying.

No Hillary. No How. No Way!

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:58 PM

64. Yeah, but they call it "evolving"

Careful. Don't step in the evolving.

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:36 PM

109. more like REvolving /nt

 

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:06 PM

7. Her comment of "safe, rare and legal" has always had a sanctimonious tinge

a wink to the evangelicals

Uhm hello?!, there's no shame or stigma having an abortion. It's a private medical decision between a woman and her doctor. Period.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:07 PM

9. I thought that was her husband's comment

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:19 PM

14. No, its hers

[div class="excerpt"

Snip

Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care

I think abortion should remain legal, but it needs to be safe and rare. And I have spent many years now, as a private citizen, as first lady, and now as senator, trying to make it rare, trying to create the conditions where women had other choices.

Snip


Edited to add link

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

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Response to Arazi (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:33 PM

19. It's both. I've heard Bill Clinton use that phrase before, can't remember if it was before or after

he left office.

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Response to yodermon (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:34 PM

20. Ok, still means she owns it and is using it

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Response to Arazi (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:47 PM

21. remember, she was against gay marriage until she had to

'evolve' with the polls, I mean times.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:21 PM

130. Glad she did, like most of the country.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:02 PM

31. Exactly, it's just none of her damn business, at all.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:15 PM

76. Exactly...see my post number 66

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #76)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:13 PM

101. Great minds and all that

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:09 PM

10. Well, there goes that argument. nt

 

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:13 PM

11. Weasel words. nt

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:15 PM

12. She is not

for anybody but herself.

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:20 PM

15. this was an honest

discussion... only part of the interview was played in that clip...

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:48 PM

23. does it now change her statement about supporting a

ban on abortion unless you're going to die? I have no access beyond my phone and a busy office.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:19 PM

79. It doesn't change what she said

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:19 PM

13. this is in response

to 3rd term abortion... playing part of a clip is disingenuous..

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:22 PM

16. Abortion should never be put on the table.

She supported a ban on late term abortions before but I thought she had evolved.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:27 PM

18. And she used right-wing phraseology - "partial-birth" abortions.

And PP and NARAL endorsed her over Sanders WHY, exactly??

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Response to kath (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:49 PM

24. any allowances is all they need to close the door. she is a

conservative on social issues obviously. Gay Marriage-no until 2013 and now this.

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Response to kath (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:11 PM

73. PP CEO's daughter works for Clinton campaign.

 

That's why the unprecedented primary endorsement. Sanders record is every bit as good, if not better, than Clinton's. I've never heard him willing to put choice on the negotiating table.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #73)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:01 PM

98. Exactly - Why they HELL did they endorse her, when she is willing to compromise on abortion for

Fuck's sake, where Bernie has never said any such thing. Bernie is better on choice than she is (and I wonder if he's ever used that "safe, legal and RARE" bullshit line and other things in an effort to cozy up to the right wing whackjobs)

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:05 PM

34. Not her business

 

a matter for the woman and her doctor.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:30 PM

88. Third term abortions are and always were extremely rare.

What she is willing to sacrifice is a woman's right to privacy about her medical records.

A doctor is unlikely to do a late term abortion.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:54 AM

126. that makes it worse

3rd term abortions are almost 100% because there is a medical problem. And if there is a small percent of women who couldn't just make up their damn minds (I say that because you know women they just can't seem to make a decision any time soon amiright or amiright ladies) about whether or not they want/can afford/want to sacrifice their time money and lives to have a child in just a few short months. So you have all these women going in when they are 8 months and 3 weeks pregnant wanting to get an abortion so yeah I guess I see the point of saying only if it's a for sure real emergency. I guess it's okay though to put another woman's life at risk because you want to stop the wishy washy woman from getting an abortion moments before she goes into labor for real.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:22 PM

17. WTF?

 

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Response to AzDar (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:30 PM

87. Exactly my response

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:47 PM

22. Way to win that young woman vote

and THIS is what DWS and the DNC are shoving down our throats for the nominee?

Not in a million years would this person get my vote for anything.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:50 PM

25. Attacking WOMEN'S RIGHTS now?! That's going to go over like a loud stinky fart in church.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:55 PM

26. More people would sign up for the military if there was a constitutional restriction on

them getting hurt/killed. But Congress doesn't give a shit when they vote for more war. They don't give a shit about women either.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:57 PM

28. She is digging her hole deeper with a bigger shovel. n/t

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:58 PM

30. And she was endorsed by NARRAL a several days ago.

There you go. What a perfect attitude for a candidate.

Endorse me so I can give you the middle finger later.

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Response to Duckfan (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:11 PM

41. that's why she thinks she can say these things--she can get both bases covered

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:03 PM

32. There's no issue she won't triangulate. None.

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:02 PM

99. THIS.

It is utterly beyond me why anyone would want to vote for her.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:04 PM

33. Gets endorsement from abortions rights groups, puts abortion on table.

And her supporters wonder why we say Bernie is better for women.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:06 PM

37. She's such a good christian. nt

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:06 PM

38. How about politicians - Dems or Reps - just keep their noses out of women's private choices?

No compromise on Roe . . . period.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:08 PM

39. UNTRUSTWORTHY!

HRC will say anything to anyone.

This is why I don't believe one word she says.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:12 PM

43. Oh hell no!!!

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:13 PM

44. I think that this is a distortion.

I have always taken her to task for the whole "rare" phrase and I will take her to task for it in the future. However, I fully trust Cecile Richards and Ilyse Hogue in their vetting of her on this issue.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:16 PM

46. This post is misleading. The title line implies that Hillary was talking about all abortions.

She was not. She was talking about third trimester abortions.

Almost all--possibly 100 percent--of third trimester abortions are performed due to some health problem affecting the mother, the fetus or both. So the number of women affected by this policy would be approximately zero.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:18 PM

48. Then why would she bother to throw the right a bone?

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #48)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:28 PM

85. They are never going to vote for her, EVER, no matter what she changes her positions to

She could privatize Social Security, completely deregulate the banks and other businesses, eliminate abortion and restrictions on guns, terminate the Department of Education and the EPA, drill baby drill, etc., and the Right will never vote for her, just because her name is Hillary Clinton.

All she's doing is alienating the very people she needs to win the GE, like Democrats.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #85)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:25 PM

117. +1000 stupid 3rd way strategery eom

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Response to StevieM (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:19 PM

50. it's a very slippery slope she is stepping out on.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:02 PM

68. This doesn't matter!

Once a mandate concerning any form of abortion becomes part of the CONSTITUTION, then you are looking at charging a woman with a federal offense, and it comes into question whether or not her doctor has committed a federal offense and both could be incarcerated. Her medical records would become the property of a jury, and it would be up to medically unqualified individuals to determine whether or not the abortion was an appropriate measure to protect the health of the mother. It is not a matter of being "reasonable" and allowing exceptions; one must look at the far-reaching consequences of criminalizing abortions. That being said, no ethically responsible doctor would abort a fetus capable of independent life without justification.

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #68)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:26 PM

83. Some very good points

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #68)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:54 PM

95. +100000000

 

There is no reason to accommodate Republicans on their mission to make women brood mares. So what if there are "reasonable" exceptions included? Reasonable to whom? We don't put women's rights on the table, Hillary. EVER!

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Response to StevieM (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:15 PM

75. It's about a national policy on ABORTION being written into the Constitution

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Response to StevieM (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:19 PM

103. my daughter developed pre-eclamsia in her 3rd trimester (it's called HELLP Syndrome)

but she was far enough along so my grandson was delivered by C section and was fine. But it was scary indeed. She wasn't making blood platelets and was in lots of pain which wasn't labor. Just thinking about it now makes me a bit shaky. He is now 11 and, apart from a vision problem that will be corrected when his eyes are full sized, he is doing well. It's interesting, his faulty vision has enhanced his hearing skills...he is in 6th grade at a foreign language school where he has been enrolled in Italian class, everything including math and science is taught in the language, and with the help of a native speaking Italian teacher, has near-native Italian. His maestra is from Rome so I suspect he has a Roman accent...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #103)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:31 PM

107. What an absolutely perfect thing to have in New Haven!

 

For those of you not familiar with the area, southern Connecticut is very Italian. A trip to New Haven's Wooster St. or Bridgeport's less well-known Madison Ave. will confirm this. The Italian dialect of choice, however, is not Roman but Neapolitan, nor Sicilian as it would be in the rest of the Northeast (in SF's North Beach, Genovese rules).

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #107)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:48 PM

112. Well, he's in the Los Angeles area. His mom is trying to found a language academy for

a middle school for Dante but has come up with some real problems.

He's a pale skinned, blue eyed blond and hearing this perfect Italian roll out is pretty amazing. When he was a bit younger, he and his Italian class buddies playing kickball in a nearby park would employ a strategy of breaking into Italian to direct game strategy against the other teams. Pretty funny...

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Response to StevieM (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:08 AM

121. What fuckin difference does THAT make?!

I'm not sure if you are playing coy or you're really not paying fuckin attention but the erosion of abortion access is one of the most alarming threats to our constitutional rights that exists. Hillary is really careful with words and she wouldn't string words like "restrict", "constitution" and "abortion" in the same zip code unless this is something she's seriously considered. We need STRONG federal support or else abortion will be something legal in name only, where the rich can take a few days to go get one and the poor will be shut out entirely.

I can't believe you're so naive that you can't recognize third trimester abortion for the dog whistle it is.

http://bigthink.com/praxis/new-abortion-restrictions-eroding-roe-v-wade

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:18 PM

49. Not good.

If one is opposed to abortions, then work to make sex education and birth control readily available. Expand people's option, rather than restricting them as republicans would.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:25 PM

51. There is already a Constitutional ruling, with restrictions in place.

WTF is she talking about, "a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health"? It's already in RvW.
What is she dancing around with this shit for? How about just stating that RVW is the law of the land and move on?
What kind of 'compromise' is she talking about here?

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:28 PM

53. There is a special place in hell for any woman who doesn't support women's

control over their own bodies.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:29 PM

105. +1

n/t

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:30 PM

54. yet most of my anti abortion friends

hate the lady. if I was a one issue voter I'd be voting Republican but I'm not.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:34 PM

55. Wow. I thought that was an old position statement. It isn't.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:36 PM

56. There is nothing and no one That Woman will not

 

sell out in the name of personal advancement or the hope therefor. "Feminist" my shiny metal ass.

Jebus Haploid Keerist in combat boots.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:36 PM

57. "I could compromise if..."

my corporate masters want me to.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:37 PM

58. She is a "Democrat"? REALLY?

Flexible on abortion?
Tells banks to "cut it out" while accepting $30,000/hr. speaking gigs?
Against universal healthcare?
Got on board with gay rights when it was politically expedient but not one minute sooner?

I am calling "bullshit".
Truman was right....given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat that acts like a Republican, the voters will choose the Republican.

Staking out ground to the right of Eisenhower and Nixon is not a Democratic Party that I want any part of...

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Response to Moostache (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:13 PM

74. Not really. Pro-choice republican...until she's willing to compromise on choice.

 

Then she's solid republicanz

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:49 PM

61. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. Thomas Paine

 

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:51 PM

63. I read that as "I could go with outlawing all abortions as long as the medical necessary ones

are allowed. At no time did she mention about the early voluntary is was this and that and this and "consultation with doctors". It is about women wanting to carry it to full term and something goes wrong.

Not a damn thing about women who do not want the child. She has said numerous times about improving adoption services etc.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:58 PM

65. Oh. My. God.

Is there anybody this woman WON'T sell out? Besides Wall Street, of course?

This is just ....not okay.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:02 PM

69. Ah, yes, a true champion of women's rights

I suppose the women of America can be thankful that Goldman Sachs doesn't have any skin in game.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:03 PM

70. You need to understand, this is South Carolina

Once she leaves the deeply red state she will pivot as usual.

Campaign:Any promise to serve herself.
Elected:Any action to serve herself.

And when she gets called on it the story will be
1)That is not what she meant
2)How dare anyone suggest she meant anything like that
3)She is being attacked because she is a woman
4)The world wants to victimize her

Your pick

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:06 PM

71. This needs to be spread far and wide.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #71)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:16 PM

77. Can someone now explain Cecile Richards' endorsement?

Please??

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Response to kristopher (Reply #77)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:52 PM

94. HRC is defending late term abortions, GOP wants those women to die

She's defending late term abortion (against GOP) for mothers who would die if the baby came to term.

GOP'ers are against late term abortions, no exception. They want those women to die.

Where do you think Cecile Richards is on that issue? Does she want these women to die just because the GOP says so?

Hope that helps.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #94)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:28 PM

113. I don't think that is what she is doing, so no, it doesn't help at all.

I've been trying to find that video in context and it looks like it has bee removed from the NBC's posted version.

The outfit is the same and the date of the interview matches, but this 30 second section is not there as far as I can find. That includes a search of the transcript.

If the context were there then I might be able to see something that supports your claim of it only applying to late term abortion, but going by the content of the video posted, you are radically overstating the evidence.


The interview on youtube.

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Response to kristopher (Reply #113)

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:42 AM

119. It's on MSNBC's page

Hillary Clinton’s not-so-subtle message to Bernie Sanders

The part about abortion is just a couple of minutes into the interview. The snippet above contains pretty much all the context around it, though.

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Response to Praxxus (Reply #119)

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:09 AM

122. Thank you. I saw it with the help of someone in another thread.

Direct context doesn't add much, you're right. From what I see she is a bit right of center on the topic and thinks that full on rejection of government interceding isn't an option. I'm in the camp that sees this as a health care matter where the state has no business being involved.

That leaves me with the view that she may be starting her thinking more than halfway to their side of the finish line; if you know what I mean.

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Response to kristopher (Reply #77)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 08:31 PM

116. She knows which side her bread is buttered.

makes her advocacy for women a bit of a joke.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:06 PM

72. The Feminist Candidate!

 

(tm)

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:19 PM

78. " this posts has been hidden by a DU Jury" DanTex.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:25 PM

81. Horrors! Hillary will let women have an abortion provided that the

women open their personal medical files to legal scrutiny and can prove that they deserved the right to have an abortion.

Hillary does not think practically.

At a moment when a woman, more than ever, needs privacy and the protection of the law that ensures that we have privacy with regard to our medical records, Hillary is willing to compromise that woman's right to privacy.

I have said this many times. I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot but I WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER VOTE FOR HILLARY.

I hope that Planned Parenthood withdraws its endorsement of Hillary if this story proves true.

This should be a warning to every feminist in this country. Hillary is not solidly on our sides.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #81)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:44 PM

90. Sorry, Charlie. She's defending late term abortion for mothers whose lives are in danger

The GOP wants those women to die.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:28 PM

84. Geez, she's talking about LATE TERM ABORTIONS! Not all abortions. She never said compromise.


Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #84)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:46 PM

91. we know

Its been said a few times now. And it deserved to be pointed out, surely.
And maybe it is even a good philosophical position.

None of which matters, because the best practical rule is "It is between a woman and the doctor of her choice." Anything else opens up the potential and likelihood of abuse, one way or another.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #84)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:03 PM

100. So?

How does that make it OK?

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #84)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:37 PM

110. Perhaps then you can explain...

what did Hillary mean when she said "then I'm open to that" and "you could see constitutional action." What is she open to and what constitutional action is she referring to. There are already laws in place that allow a woman to have late abortions and they already take into account the life of the mother and her health. So what exactly is Hillary talking about?

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #84)

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:12 AM

123. Have you really not been paying attention?

Abortion rights are under attack, access is being stripped, all while legal on the federal level. You start to erode that support constitutionally, and the whole thing will crumble. I'm not being alarmist, women's rights are under attack and we're supposed to vote for a woman because she's gonna be better on this issue? ANd then this? Makes my blood boil to see it defended. I'd come down just as hard on anyone else.

http://bigthink.com/praxis/new-abortion-restrictions-eroding-roe-v-wade

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #84)

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:30 AM

128. Abortion doesn't belong on the table, ever. No compromise, no quarter.

Hillary's supposed to be the "champion" for women's rights and here she is admitting she'll work with anti-choice Republicans.

And it's not the first time:

Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk

Q: Are there circumstances when the government should limit choice?

LAZIO: I had a pro-choice record in the House, and I believe in a woman’s right to choose. I support a ban on partial-birth abortions. Senator Moynihan called it “infanticide.” Even former mayor Ed Koch agreed that this was too extreme a procedure. This is an area where I disagree with my opponent. My opponent opposes a ban on partial-birth abortions.

CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.

Source: Senate debate in Manhattan , Oct 8, 2000

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:47 PM

92. She sounds like she expects republican votes.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:47 PM

93. Like I've been saying all along, Hillary Clinton is a 3rd-Way conservative Democrat.

willing to abandon women's' choice and single payer among other progressive positions.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:58 PM

97. Oh please!

Late term abortions have always been highly controversial. Hillary Clinton has not retreated on anything that compromises a woman's life or health, even in the rare instances of late term abortion. She has been a consistent champion for the right of women to choose when it comes to their reproductive health.

This headline is utter nonsense.

Shame on you!

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #97)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:17 PM

102. The headline words are her words...exactly.

Not nonsense. She is willing to compromise, regardless of whether or not it's third term. There are reasons why this should not be a constitutional issue, addressed in this thread.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #97)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:45 PM

111. Perhaps you can explain it

Since the life of the mother and her health are already protected by laws that allow her to have a late abortion, what "constitutional action" is Hillary willing to agree to?

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #97)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 07:17 PM

114. Why did she say that, then?

She supported a ban on late term abortions in the past.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #97)

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:13 AM

124. So she'd risk revising the constitution....WHY?!

Please inform us as to why you think all these countless third term abortions on demand need anything but the decision of a woman at the advice of her doctor?

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:21 PM

104. This is not a feminist POV

it's pandering to conservatives. I envision a feminist as someone championing the ERA and clearly standing against the dominionist fundamentalist takeover of women's basic human rights.

It is this sort of pandering that has eroded our rights not preserved them, by not holding the line with our own autonomy as human beings but handing over the reins to these ignorant conservative groups.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:30 PM

106. Um.. God aborted Antonin Scalia at 79 years !!!!

 


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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:32 PM

108. Abortion is always about the woman's health. End of discussion.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 07:34 PM

115. she's the moderate pro-choice progressive pro-life corporate union DOMA marriage equality candidate

 

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:27 PM

118. NARAL is a joke organization for endorsing her over

someone who never said shit like this and has a 100% rating from their own rating.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:19 AM

125. She's losing me.

I was really excited about the opportunity to vote for a woman, but I can't make peace with this. She's so careful with words, I can't trust her to not trade away. This frightens me, with SC appointments coming up.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:54 AM

127. Two possibilities I see

She is not sincere about it, but rather trying to score political points by exploiting women and stoking the anxiety that always exists among women who reasonably fear where restrictions will lead.
Or, she really believes what she said and supports a RW agenda that says women can't be trusted with their own bodies.
They are equally disturbing possibilities and she confirms once again that she is willing to sell out the sisterhood. Hillary Clinton's feminism is more in line with concerned women for America than NOW.

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Response to KamaAina (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:17 PM

129. If it were decided that abortions could occur through 9 months

which is not currently the case. The Republicans are trying to strip AWAY our rights, so this is a hypothetical.

Planned Parenthood endorsed her, btw.

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