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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:58 PM Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton: I Could Compromise on Abortion If It Included Exceptions For Mother's Health

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html

HILLARY CLINTON: My husband vetoed a very restrictive legislation on late-term abortions and he vetoed it at an event in the White House where we invited a lot of women who had faced this very difficult decision, that ought to be made based on their own conscience, their family, their faith, in consultation with doctors. Those stories left a searing impression on me. Women who think their pregnancy is going well and then wake up and find some really terrible problem. Women whose life is threatened if they carry their child to term, and women who are told by doctors that the child they're carrying will not survive.

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.


"structure some kind of constitutional restriction"?!
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Hillary Clinton: I Could Compromise on Abortion If It Included Exceptions For Mother's Health (Original Post) KamaAina Feb 2016 OP
Compromise on abortion? Sure. Fine. Run with that Sec'y CLinton. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #1
SHe''ll put Social Security on teh CHopping block too Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #29
Giving up ground must be a part of her "winning" strategy... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #36
I do not beleive that SHE sees it as "giving up ground" Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #40
...Or perhaps, it's the corporate money... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #45
She isn't even against Citizens United Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #47
I thought she was... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #52
She's always been a conservative passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #66
Triangulation. jwirr Feb 2016 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author zigby Feb 2016 #120
This seems to sacrifice a woman's right to choose Depaysement Feb 2016 #2
That's why I'm throwing it out there KamaAina Feb 2016 #3
Wow Depaysement Feb 2016 #8
Thank you. 840high Feb 2016 #82
No. Demobrat Feb 2016 #67
She was speaking of late term abortions. Republicans want to abolish them all together. nt Fla Dem Feb 2016 #86
You are reading it incorrectly. Defending late term abortion for women whose lives are in danger emulatorloo Feb 2016 #89
Must triangulate. (eom) HassleCat Feb 2016 #4
Exactly. Beowulf Feb 2016 #62
Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate..... scottie55 Feb 2016 #96
Women's rights UglyGreed Feb 2016 #5
That's hilarious! valerief Feb 2016 #27
^^^ True. Duppers Feb 2016 #35
CApe weathervane Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #42
Come on now. That was September of last year! TCJ70 Feb 2016 #6
It's called "evolving." Get with the program n/t nichomachus Feb 2016 #59
It's called bullshit. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #60
Yeah, but they call it "evolving" nichomachus Feb 2016 #64
more like REvolving /nt demwing Feb 2016 #109
Her comment of "safe, rare and legal" has always had a sanctimonious tinge Arazi Feb 2016 #7
I thought that was her husband's comment KamaAina Feb 2016 #9
No, its hers Arazi Feb 2016 #14
It's both. I've heard Bill Clinton use that phrase before, can't remember if it was before or after yodermon Feb 2016 #19
Ok, still means she owns it and is using it Arazi Feb 2016 #20
remember, she was against gay marriage until she had to roguevalley Feb 2016 #21
Glad she did, like most of the country. Sparkly Apr 2016 #130
Exactly, it's just none of her damn business, at all. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #31
Exactly...see my post number 66 passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #76
Great minds and all that Arazi Feb 2016 #101
Well, there goes that argument. nt bunnies Feb 2016 #10
Weasel words. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #11
She is not Faux pas Feb 2016 #12
this was an honest handmade34 Feb 2016 #15
does it now change her statement about supporting a roguevalley Feb 2016 #23
It doesn't change what she said passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #79
this is in response handmade34 Feb 2016 #13
Abortion should never be put on the table. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #16
And she used right-wing phraseology - "partial-birth" abortions. kath Feb 2016 #18
any allowances is all they need to close the door. she is a roguevalley Feb 2016 #24
PP CEO's daughter works for Clinton campaign. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #73
Exactly - Why they HELL did they endorse her, when she is willing to compromise on abortion for kath Feb 2016 #98
Not her business Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #34
Third term abortions are and always were extremely rare. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #88
that makes it worse Kalidurga Feb 2016 #126
WTF? AzDar Feb 2016 #17
Exactly my response ybbor Feb 2016 #87
Way to win that young woman vote DebbieCDC Feb 2016 #22
Attacking WOMEN'S RIGHTS now?! That's going to go over like a loud stinky fart in church. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #25
More people would sign up for the military if there was a constitutional restriction on valerief Feb 2016 #26
She is digging her hole deeper with a bigger shovel. n/t Paper Roses Feb 2016 #28
And she was endorsed by NARRAL a several days ago. Duckfan Feb 2016 #30
that's why she thinks she can say these things--she can get both bases covered MisterP Feb 2016 #41
There's no issue she won't triangulate. None. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #32
THIS. kath Feb 2016 #99
Gets endorsement from abortions rights groups, puts abortion on table. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #33
She's such a good christian. nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #37
How about politicians - Dems or Reps - just keep their noses out of women's private choices? Vinca Feb 2016 #38
UNTRUSTWORTHY! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #39
Oh hell no!!! AllyCat Feb 2016 #43
I think that this is a distortion. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #44
This post is misleading. The title line implies that Hillary was talking about all abortions. StevieM Feb 2016 #46
Then why would she bother to throw the right a bone? KamaAina Feb 2016 #48
They are never going to vote for her, EVER, no matter what she changes her positions to LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2016 #85
+1000 stupid 3rd way strategery eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #117
it's a very slippery slope she is stepping out on. yourout Feb 2016 #50
This doesn't matter! colorado_ufo Feb 2016 #68
Some very good points passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #83
+100000000 farleftlib Feb 2016 #95
It's about a national policy on ABORTION being written into the Constitution kristopher Feb 2016 #75
my daughter developed pre-eclamsia in her 3rd trimester (it's called HELLP Syndrome) CTyankee Feb 2016 #103
What an absolutely perfect thing to have in New Haven! KamaAina Feb 2016 #107
Well, he's in the Los Angeles area. His mom is trying to found a language academy for CTyankee Feb 2016 #112
What fuckin difference does THAT make?! zigby Feb 2016 #121
Not good. H2O Man Feb 2016 #49
There is already a Constitutional ruling, with restrictions in place. blackspade Feb 2016 #51
There is a special place in hell for any woman who doesn't support women's tblue37 Feb 2016 #53
+1 Political_Junkie Feb 2016 #105
yet most of my anti abortion friends PatrynXX Feb 2016 #54
Wow. I thought that was an old position statement. It isn't. kristopher Feb 2016 #55
There is nothing and no one That Woman will not hifiguy Feb 2016 #56
"I could compromise if..." Merryland Feb 2016 #57
She is a "Democrat"? REALLY? Moostache Feb 2016 #58
Not really. Pro-choice republican...until she's willing to compromise on choice. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #74
Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. Thomas Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #61
I read that as "I could go with outlawing all abortions as long as the medical necessary ones LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #63
Oh. My. God. Demobrat Feb 2016 #65
Ah, yes, a true champion of women's rights Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #69
You need to understand, this is South Carolina Scalded Nun Feb 2016 #70
This needs to be spread far and wide. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #71
Can someone now explain Cecile Richards' endorsement? kristopher Feb 2016 #77
HRC is defending late term abortions, GOP wants those women to die emulatorloo Feb 2016 #94
I don't think that is what she is doing, so no, it doesn't help at all. kristopher Feb 2016 #113
It's on MSNBC's page Praxxus Feb 2016 #119
Thank you. I saw it with the help of someone in another thread. kristopher Feb 2016 #122
She knows which side her bread is buttered. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #116
The Feminist Candidate! fbc Feb 2016 #72
" this posts has been hidden by a DU Jury" DanTex. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #78
Horrors! Hillary will let women have an abortion provided that the JDPriestly Feb 2016 #81
Sorry, Charlie. She's defending late term abortion for mothers whose lives are in danger emulatorloo Feb 2016 #90
Geez, she's talking about LATE TERM ABORTIONS! Not all abortions. She never said compromise. Fla Dem Feb 2016 #84
we know FreedomRain Feb 2016 #91
So? gollygee Feb 2016 #100
Perhaps then you can explain... Oilwellian Feb 2016 #110
Have you really not been paying attention? zigby Feb 2016 #123
Abortion doesn't belong on the table, ever. No compromise, no quarter. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #128
She sounds like she expects republican votes. Kablooie Feb 2016 #92
Like I've been saying all along, Hillary Clinton is a 3rd-Way conservative Democrat. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #93
Oh please! peggysue2 Feb 2016 #97
The headline words are her words...exactly. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #102
Perhaps you can explain it Oilwellian Feb 2016 #111
Why did she say that, then? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #114
So she'd risk revising the constitution....WHY?! zigby Feb 2016 #124
This is not a feminist POV felix_numinous Feb 2016 #104
Um.. God aborted Antonin Scalia at 79 years !!!! vkkv Feb 2016 #106
Abortion is always about the woman's health. End of discussion. Bad Thoughts Feb 2016 #108
she's the moderate pro-choice progressive pro-life corporate union DOMA marriage equality candidate tk2kewl Feb 2016 #115
NARAL is a joke organization for endorsing her over jfern Feb 2016 #118
She's losing me. zigby Feb 2016 #125
Two possibilities I see loyalsister Feb 2016 #127
If it were decided that abortions could occur through 9 months Sparkly Apr 2016 #129

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
1. Compromise on abortion? Sure. Fine. Run with that Sec'y CLinton.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:02 PM
Feb 2016

OH, wait a minute. I'm a guy. Abortion doesn't apply to me.

Denying women the right to control their own bodies does.

This is the problem I have with HRC and the Big Dog. They'll compromise on anything if it advances their plans. I'm just too simple a person to handle the nuance of taking a position just a little away from Rubio's.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
40. I do not beleive that SHE sees it as "giving up ground"
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:10 PM
Feb 2016

I think she sees it as the proper direction.
She is a creature of Wall Street and the 1%. It's simply where she wants to go

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
45. ...Or perhaps, it's the corporate money...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016

..and their corporate "personhood"...

Wonder if Hillary is against the corporate death penalty, or if she is only supportive of killing real humans in the name of her state...

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
47. She isn't even against Citizens United
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:16 PM
Feb 2016

There a post around here now about this one...regarding a SCOTUS appointment
 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
52. I thought she was...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

But I guess she is only against the part with "dark money"...

I would choose Lawrence Lessig for the post and THREATEN any protesting republicans if they dared to vote against my choice...

I would go Karl Rove on them if they obstructed...

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
66. She's always been a conservative
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

And claims to be religious, so this doesn't surprise me at all. Yes, she says as long as it protects the life of the mother. What about when the child will be born with serious, life-threatening, or permanent brain damage that will make their life a living hell on earth?

What about the right to not suffer and be forced to be born.

I'm all for legal euthanasia for humans, as long is it's decided by reasonable people (not for monitary gain...sorry grandkids). People should be able to die with dignity, not suffer because life is so damned precious. It's religion that has fucked this up. Religion says it's god's place to decide when you live or die...well fuck that. I don't like a lot of his decisions on that issue.

BTW, I'm an atheist, so I don't believe there is a god or an all-powerful entity that has anything to do with our lives or deaths.

Clinton’s been known to carry a Bible in her purse but, she told the 2007 CNN Faith Forum, “advertising” her faith “doesn’t come naturally to me.” Every vote Clinton made as a senator from New York, she said, was “a moral responsibility.”

http://www.religionnews.com/transmission/5-faith-facts-hillary-clinton-social-gospel-methodist-core/

So, Hillary, all those people who died or were injured in the war on Iraq...that was your moral decision?

Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #29)

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
89. You are reading it incorrectly. Defending late term abortion for women whose lives are in danger
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:39 PM
Feb 2016

Republicans are against all abortion including late term ones where life health of mother is at stake. GOP wants those women to die.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
96. Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:56 PM
Feb 2016

Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....Muuuust Triangulate....Muuuuuust Triangulate.....

I am sure this is what goes through her head every second of every day.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
35. ^^^ True.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:05 PM
Feb 2016

Dang! what a statement! Let her try.

Even if, as I learned down thread, she was speaking of late term abortions. This alone would cause me not to vote for her. This issue is very personal. I'll discuss it only if asked.



TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
6. Come on now. That was September of last year!
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

She's had time to change her position...I wonder what it is today and what it'll be tomorrow.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
7. Her comment of "safe, rare and legal" has always had a sanctimonious tinge
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

a wink to the evangelicals

Uhm hello?!, there's no shame or stigma having an abortion. It's a private medical decision between a woman and her doctor. Period.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
14. No, its hers
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

[div class="excerpt"

Snip

Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care

I think abortion should remain legal, but it needs to be safe and rare. And I have spent many years now, as a private citizen, as first lady, and now as senator, trying to make it rare, trying to create the conditions where women had other choices.

Snip


Edited to add link

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
19. It's both. I've heard Bill Clinton use that phrase before, can't remember if it was before or after
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

he left office.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
23. does it now change her statement about supporting a
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:48 PM
Feb 2016

ban on abortion unless you're going to die? I have no access beyond my phone and a busy office.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. Abortion should never be put on the table.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:22 PM
Feb 2016

She supported a ban on late term abortions before but I thought she had evolved.

kath

(10,565 posts)
18. And she used right-wing phraseology - "partial-birth" abortions.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

And PP and NARAL endorsed her over Sanders WHY, exactly??

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
24. any allowances is all they need to close the door. she is a
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:49 PM
Feb 2016

conservative on social issues obviously. Gay Marriage-no until 2013 and now this.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
73. PP CEO's daughter works for Clinton campaign.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:11 PM
Feb 2016

That's why the unprecedented primary endorsement. Sanders record is every bit as good, if not better, than Clinton's. I've never heard him willing to put choice on the negotiating table.

kath

(10,565 posts)
98. Exactly - Why they HELL did they endorse her, when she is willing to compromise on abortion for
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

Fuck's sake, where Bernie has never said any such thing. Bernie is better on choice than she is (and I wonder if he's ever used that "safe, legal and RARE" bullshit line and other things in an effort to cozy up to the right wing whackjobs)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
88. Third term abortions are and always were extremely rare.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:30 PM
Feb 2016

What she is willing to sacrifice is a woman's right to privacy about her medical records.

A doctor is unlikely to do a late term abortion.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
126. that makes it worse
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:54 AM
Feb 2016

3rd term abortions are almost 100% because there is a medical problem. And if there is a small percent of women who couldn't just make up their damn minds (I say that because you know women they just can't seem to make a decision any time soon amiright or amiright ladies) about whether or not they want/can afford/want to sacrifice their time money and lives to have a child in just a few short months. So you have all these women going in when they are 8 months and 3 weeks pregnant wanting to get an abortion so yeah I guess I see the point of saying only if it's a for sure real emergency. I guess it's okay though to put another woman's life at risk because you want to stop the wishy washy woman from getting an abortion moments before she goes into labor for real.

DebbieCDC

(2,543 posts)
22. Way to win that young woman vote
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

and THIS is what DWS and the DNC are shoving down our throats for the nominee?

Not in a million years would this person get my vote for anything.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
26. More people would sign up for the military if there was a constitutional restriction on
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:55 PM
Feb 2016

them getting hurt/killed. But Congress doesn't give a shit when they vote for more war. They don't give a shit about women either.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
30. And she was endorsed by NARRAL a several days ago.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

There you go. What a perfect attitude for a candidate.

Endorse me so I can give you the middle finger later.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. Gets endorsement from abortions rights groups, puts abortion on table.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

And her supporters wonder why we say Bernie is better for women.

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
38. How about politicians - Dems or Reps - just keep their noses out of women's private choices?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:06 PM
Feb 2016

No compromise on Roe . . . period.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
44. I think that this is a distortion.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:13 PM
Feb 2016

I have always taken her to task for the whole "rare" phrase and I will take her to task for it in the future. However, I fully trust Cecile Richards and Ilyse Hogue in their vetting of her on this issue.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
46. This post is misleading. The title line implies that Hillary was talking about all abortions.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:16 PM
Feb 2016

She was not. She was talking about third trimester abortions.

Almost all--possibly 100 percent--of third trimester abortions are performed due to some health problem affecting the mother, the fetus or both. So the number of women affected by this policy would be approximately zero.

85. They are never going to vote for her, EVER, no matter what she changes her positions to
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:28 PM
Feb 2016

She could privatize Social Security, completely deregulate the banks and other businesses, eliminate abortion and restrictions on guns, terminate the Department of Education and the EPA, drill baby drill, etc., and the Right will never vote for her, just because her name is Hillary Clinton.

All she's doing is alienating the very people she needs to win the GE, like Democrats.

colorado_ufo

(5,733 posts)
68. This doesn't matter!
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

Once a mandate concerning any form of abortion becomes part of the CONSTITUTION, then you are looking at charging a woman with a federal offense, and it comes into question whether or not her doctor has committed a federal offense and both could be incarcerated. Her medical records would become the property of a jury, and it would be up to medically unqualified individuals to determine whether or not the abortion was an appropriate measure to protect the health of the mother. It is not a matter of being "reasonable" and allowing exceptions; one must look at the far-reaching consequences of criminalizing abortions. That being said, no ethically responsible doctor would abort a fetus capable of independent life without justification.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
95. +100000000
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

There is no reason to accommodate Republicans on their mission to make women brood mares. So what if there are "reasonable" exceptions included? Reasonable to whom? We don't put women's rights on the table, Hillary. EVER!

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
103. my daughter developed pre-eclamsia in her 3rd trimester (it's called HELLP Syndrome)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

but she was far enough along so my grandson was delivered by C section and was fine. But it was scary indeed. She wasn't making blood platelets and was in lots of pain which wasn't labor. Just thinking about it now makes me a bit shaky. He is now 11 and, apart from a vision problem that will be corrected when his eyes are full sized, he is doing well. It's interesting, his faulty vision has enhanced his hearing skills...he is in 6th grade at a foreign language school where he has been enrolled in Italian class, everything including math and science is taught in the language, and with the help of a native speaking Italian teacher, has near-native Italian. His maestra is from Rome so I suspect he has a Roman accent...

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
107. What an absolutely perfect thing to have in New Haven!
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:31 PM
Feb 2016

For those of you not familiar with the area, southern Connecticut is very Italian. A trip to New Haven's Wooster St. or Bridgeport's less well-known Madison Ave. will confirm this. The Italian dialect of choice, however, is not Roman but Neapolitan, nor Sicilian as it would be in the rest of the Northeast (in SF's North Beach, Genovese rules).

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
112. Well, he's in the Los Angeles area. His mom is trying to found a language academy for
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:48 PM
Feb 2016

a middle school for Dante but has come up with some real problems.

He's a pale skinned, blue eyed blond and hearing this perfect Italian roll out is pretty amazing. When he was a bit younger, he and his Italian class buddies playing kickball in a nearby park would employ a strategy of breaking into Italian to direct game strategy against the other teams. Pretty funny...

zigby

(125 posts)
121. What fuckin difference does THAT make?!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:08 AM
Feb 2016

I'm not sure if you are playing coy or you're really not paying fuckin attention but the erosion of abortion access is one of the most alarming threats to our constitutional rights that exists. Hillary is really careful with words and she wouldn't string words like "restrict", "constitution" and "abortion" in the same zip code unless this is something she's seriously considered. We need STRONG federal support or else abortion will be something legal in name only, where the rich can take a few days to go get one and the poor will be shut out entirely.

I can't believe you're so naive that you can't recognize third trimester abortion for the dog whistle it is.

http://bigthink.com/praxis/new-abortion-restrictions-eroding-roe-v-wade

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
49. Not good.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

If one is opposed to abortions, then work to make sex education and birth control readily available. Expand people's option, rather than restricting them as republicans would.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
51. There is already a Constitutional ruling, with restrictions in place.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

WTF is she talking about, "a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health"? It's already in RvW.
What is she dancing around with this shit for? How about just stating that RVW is the law of the land and move on?
What kind of 'compromise' is she talking about here?

tblue37

(65,334 posts)
53. There is a special place in hell for any woman who doesn't support women's
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:28 PM
Feb 2016

control over their own bodies.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
54. yet most of my anti abortion friends
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

hate the lady. if I was a one issue voter I'd be voting Republican but I'm not.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
56. There is nothing and no one That Woman will not
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

sell out in the name of personal advancement or the hope therefor. "Feminist" my shiny metal ass.

Jebus Haploid Keerist in combat boots.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
58. She is a "Democrat"? REALLY?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:37 PM
Feb 2016

Flexible on abortion?
Tells banks to "cut it out" while accepting $30,000/hr. speaking gigs?
Against universal healthcare?
Got on board with gay rights when it was politically expedient but not one minute sooner?

I am calling "bullshit".
Truman was right....given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat that acts like a Republican, the voters will choose the Republican.

Staking out ground to the right of Eisenhower and Nixon is not a Democratic Party that I want any part of...

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
74. Not really. Pro-choice republican...until she's willing to compromise on choice.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:13 PM
Feb 2016

Then she's solid republicanz

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
63. I read that as "I could go with outlawing all abortions as long as the medical necessary ones
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

are allowed. At no time did she mention about the early voluntary is was this and that and this and "consultation with doctors". It is about women wanting to carry it to full term and something goes wrong.

Not a damn thing about women who do not want the child. She has said numerous times about improving adoption services etc.

Demobrat

(8,970 posts)
65. Oh. My. God.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:58 PM
Feb 2016

Is there anybody this woman WON'T sell out? Besides Wall Street, of course?

This is just ....not okay.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
69. Ah, yes, a true champion of women's rights
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

I suppose the women of America can be thankful that Goldman Sachs doesn't have any skin in game.

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
70. You need to understand, this is South Carolina
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:03 PM
Feb 2016

Once she leaves the deeply red state she will pivot as usual.

Campaign:Any promise to serve herself.
Elected:Any action to serve herself.

And when she gets called on it the story will be
1)That is not what she meant
2)How dare anyone suggest she meant anything like that
3)She is being attacked because she is a woman
4)The world wants to victimize her

Your pick

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
94. HRC is defending late term abortions, GOP wants those women to die
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:52 PM
Feb 2016

She's defending late term abortion (against GOP) for mothers who would die if the baby came to term.

GOP'ers are against late term abortions, no exception. They want those women to die.

Where do you think Cecile Richards is on that issue? Does she want these women to die just because the GOP says so?

Hope that helps.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
113. I don't think that is what she is doing, so no, it doesn't help at all.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

I've been trying to find that video in context and it looks like it has bee removed from the NBC's posted version.

The outfit is the same and the date of the interview matches, but this 30 second section is not there as far as I can find. That includes a search of the transcript.

If the context were there then I might be able to see something that supports your claim of it only applying to late term abortion, but going by the content of the video posted, you are radically overstating the evidence.


The interview on youtube.

Praxxus

(10 posts)
119. It's on MSNBC's page
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:42 AM
Feb 2016
Hillary Clinton’s not-so-subtle message to Bernie Sanders

The part about abortion is just a couple of minutes into the interview. The snippet above contains pretty much all the context around it, though.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
122. Thank you. I saw it with the help of someone in another thread.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:09 AM
Feb 2016

Direct context doesn't add much, you're right. From what I see she is a bit right of center on the topic and thinks that full on rejection of government interceding isn't an option. I'm in the camp that sees this as a health care matter where the state has no business being involved.

That leaves me with the view that she may be starting her thinking more than halfway to their side of the finish line; if you know what I mean.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
81. Horrors! Hillary will let women have an abortion provided that the
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:25 PM
Feb 2016

women open their personal medical files to legal scrutiny and can prove that they deserved the right to have an abortion.

Hillary does not think practically.

At a moment when a woman, more than ever, needs privacy and the protection of the law that ensures that we have privacy with regard to our medical records, Hillary is willing to compromise that woman's right to privacy.

I have said this many times. I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot but I WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER VOTE FOR HILLARY.

I hope that Planned Parenthood withdraws its endorsement of Hillary if this story proves true.

This should be a warning to every feminist in this country. Hillary is not solidly on our sides.

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
90. Sorry, Charlie. She's defending late term abortion for mothers whose lives are in danger
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:44 PM
Feb 2016

The GOP wants those women to die.

Fla Dem

(23,650 posts)
84. Geez, she's talking about LATE TERM ABORTIONS! Not all abortions. She never said compromise.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:28 PM
Feb 2016

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

FreedomRain

(413 posts)
91. we know
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:46 PM
Feb 2016

Its been said a few times now. And it deserved to be pointed out, surely.
And maybe it is even a good philosophical position.

None of which matters, because the best practical rule is "It is between a woman and the doctor of her choice." Anything else opens up the potential and likelihood of abuse, one way or another.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
110. Perhaps then you can explain...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:37 PM
Feb 2016

what did Hillary mean when she said "then I'm open to that" and "you could see constitutional action." What is she open to and what constitutional action is she referring to. There are already laws in place that allow a woman to have late abortions and they already take into account the life of the mother and her health. So what exactly is Hillary talking about?

zigby

(125 posts)
123. Have you really not been paying attention?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:12 AM
Feb 2016

Abortion rights are under attack, access is being stripped, all while legal on the federal level. You start to erode that support constitutionally, and the whole thing will crumble. I'm not being alarmist, women's rights are under attack and we're supposed to vote for a woman because she's gonna be better on this issue? ANd then this? Makes my blood boil to see it defended. I'd come down just as hard on anyone else.

http://bigthink.com/praxis/new-abortion-restrictions-eroding-roe-v-wade

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
128. Abortion doesn't belong on the table, ever. No compromise, no quarter.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:30 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary's supposed to be the "champion" for women's rights and here she is admitting she'll work with anti-choice Republicans.

And it's not the first time:

Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk

Q: Are there circumstances when the government should limit choice?

LAZIO: I had a pro-choice record in the House, and I believe in a woman’s right to choose. I support a ban on partial-birth abortions. Senator Moynihan called it “infanticide.” Even former mayor Ed Koch agreed that this was too extreme a procedure. This is an area where I disagree with my opponent. My opponent opposes a ban on partial-birth abortions.

CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.

Source: Senate debate in Manhattan , Oct 8, 2000

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
93. Like I've been saying all along, Hillary Clinton is a 3rd-Way conservative Democrat.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

willing to abandon women's' choice and single payer among other progressive positions.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
97. Oh please!
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:58 PM
Feb 2016

Late term abortions have always been highly controversial. Hillary Clinton has not retreated on anything that compromises a woman's life or health, even in the rare instances of late term abortion. She has been a consistent champion for the right of women to choose when it comes to their reproductive health.

This headline is utter nonsense.

Shame on you!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
102. The headline words are her words...exactly.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

Not nonsense. She is willing to compromise, regardless of whether or not it's third term. There are reasons why this should not be a constitutional issue, addressed in this thread.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
111. Perhaps you can explain it
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:45 PM
Feb 2016

Since the life of the mother and her health are already protected by laws that allow her to have a late abortion, what "constitutional action" is Hillary willing to agree to?

zigby

(125 posts)
124. So she'd risk revising the constitution....WHY?!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:13 AM
Feb 2016

Please inform us as to why you think all these countless third term abortions on demand need anything but the decision of a woman at the advice of her doctor?

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
104. This is not a feminist POV
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:21 PM
Feb 2016

it's pandering to conservatives. I envision a feminist as someone championing the ERA and clearly standing against the dominionist fundamentalist takeover of women's basic human rights.

It is this sort of pandering that has eroded our rights not preserved them, by not holding the line with our own autonomy as human beings but handing over the reins to these ignorant conservative groups.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
115. she's the moderate pro-choice progressive pro-life corporate union DOMA marriage equality candidate
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 07:34 PM
Feb 2016

jfern

(5,204 posts)
118. NARAL is a joke organization for endorsing her over
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:27 PM
Feb 2016

someone who never said shit like this and has a 100% rating from their own rating.

zigby

(125 posts)
125. She's losing me.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016

I was really excited about the opportunity to vote for a woman, but I can't make peace with this. She's so careful with words, I can't trust her to not trade away. This frightens me, with SC appointments coming up.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
127. Two possibilities I see
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:54 AM
Feb 2016

She is not sincere about it, but rather trying to score political points by exploiting women and stoking the anxiety that always exists among women who reasonably fear where restrictions will lead.
Or, she really believes what she said and supports a RW agenda that says women can't be trusted with their own bodies.
They are equally disturbing possibilities and she confirms once again that she is willing to sell out the sisterhood. Hillary Clinton's feminism is more in line with concerned women for America than NOW.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
129. If it were decided that abortions could occur through 9 months
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:17 PM
Apr 2016

which is not currently the case. The Republicans are trying to strip AWAY our rights, so this is a hypothetical.

Planned Parenthood endorsed her, btw.

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