Hillary's Consistency

[EdwardBernays]

[cantbeserious]

1. We Us Together - Vs - Me My Bank Account And I -- The Choice Is Clear

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[daleanime]

26. +1

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. The choice IS clear. Some refuse that choice

[Fumesucker]

2. Even millionaires get the blues

[uponit7771]

3. and Sanders has taken there money too, but when Hillary does it then bad?! IOKIBDI now?!

[Duckhunter935]

4. I have 675K reasons

That she put into her personal bank account. She release those transcripts yet or is she still looking into it. How many weeks does that take, or is she just outright lying to us votors?

[uponit7771]

5. You know when its brought up that Sanders takes money from the same people Clinton has...

.... there's usually some kind of deflection.

Has Sanders released his transcripts yet from his lobbying these same groups for the DSCC?!

Sigh, another double standard...

[EdwardBernays]

7. just sad

that this is the best Team Goldman Sachs has to justify their candidates behaviour...

[Duckhunter935]

11. yes it is

[uponit7771]

13. Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position

[Duckhunter935]

20. from your side yes

A idiotic post deserves to be ridiculed

[Duckhunter935]

10. so he took some money

For an election supported by the Democratic party from a fund that had some amount of money from wall Street . That is quite different than taking 675K from them and putting that MONEY IN HER PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT. the DSCC speeches were public, hers were private. So proceed to try and say they are the same. Not even close.

[uponit7771]

14. Yeap, he took 1 red cent and that has been defined as bad by Sanders... unless Sanders himself

... does it

[Duckhunter935]

19. keep dreaming

I wish I had what you are smoking

[uponit7771]

38. Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position

[thesquanderer]

25. Taking part in an organized fundraiser for the Democratic party...

...is not the same as either soliciting funds for your campaign, or for your personal pocket.

[uponit7771]

33. He did take some money for his campaigns (link and quote inside)

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-regular-luxurious-dscc-fundraising-retreats

The DSCC used its financial and political power to bolster Sanders and urge Democrats not to challenge him in his 2006 Senate bid, and spent close to $200,000 through various means to aid his election.

view photo essay
The presidential campaign: Bernie Sanders
The self-described democratic socialist is known for pushing change on income inequality, college affordability and criminal justice reform.
Bill Clinton said this week that he “practically fell out of my chair” when he read reports that Sanders had attended the DSCC’s summer donor retreats on Martha’s Vineyard, and Hillary Clinton said Sanders took Wall Street cash “not directly, but through the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.”

[thesquanderer]

39. You really think this is comparable?

DSCC raises funds from lots of different contributors, large and small. There is no direct path from a particular contributor to a particular candidate.

This is the length people have to go to find something "negative" about Bernie, or to show that there's "no difference" between the candidates... sheesh.

Meanwhile, first people here were battering Sanders for not raising money for other Dems, and now he gets battered because he did (by participating in party fundraisers)...

[uponit7771]

40. No, and according to Sanders CURRENT position it doesn't have to be... he's dogging her

... for being affliated with and taking money from the same people he did... directly or indirectly...

The amount is a goal move, ... Clinton took 1/30th of a ONE YEAR current Salary from them over 10 years and somehow that's supposed to be horrid.

Sanders fails another part of his own purity test

[JRLeft]

43. You think they're equal, damn I can't say what I want to.

[uponit7771]

45. Strawman, no I don't think they're equal and it being "equal" isn't part of Sanders CURRENT*

... dog of Hillary

His CURRENT* dog of Hillary is that she's affliated with and takes money from Walls Street and that REALTIVE poltry amount will inffluence her.

* Current cause I'm sure after this little news comes out he'll refine his critque on this

[JRLeft]

46. She's gazillions of dollars I know you truly believe that has no impact in her decision making.

[uponit7771]

47. FACT not in dispute - 700k is around 1/27th of ONE YEAR of salary for HRC and represents around

... 1/125th of the Clinton's net worth.

Relatively speaking its a small amount, and a bad position for SBS seeing he prolly took around the same percentage INDIRECTLY from Wall Street themselves.

Again, Sanders being slightly better isn't good enough reason to risk a vote on him now.

On the other hand

He leads this game changing revolution to get Dems our WELL DESERVED left leaning USSC nomination .... then Sanders will have put his money where his mouth is...

He has what?! 5 - 6 months?

We'll see

[Duckhunter935]

57. so do you still believe Hillary is a liar?

[uponit7771]

62. No more than Sanders is... next? tia

[thesquanderer]

63. re: " 1/30th of a ONE YEAR current Salary from them over 10 years"

That's quite a pretzel you have to twist yourself into for that one! So now your defense is, she's so rich that it doesn't matter to her? I wonder why she didn't just donate the fees to charity, then.

(BTW, as I recently learned here, senators are required to donate such fees to charity. Why do you think that is?)

The issue isn't merely one of directly vs. indirectly, it's also one of intent. You are a politician who participates in a party fundraiser. You don't control who attends, or how much they contribute, or where the money goes. The contributors, likewise, do not earmark their contributions for anyone in particular. You really see this as functionally equivalent to a contributor giving money directly to a candidate?

I think companies hope to gain access and influence by giving a candidate money but I seriously doubt Goldman Sachs had "influence on Bernie Sanders" in mind when they participated in Dem party fundraisers.

[Duckhunter935]

64. don't spoil it with

common sense. The poster seemed to call Hillary a liar in the past. I guess she evolved like Hillary.

[EdwardBernays]

6. he hasn't

but keep telling yourself whatever you need to sleep at night...

[uponit7771]

15. This is false, not only did he lobby for money from these people he took it to give to others...

...and kept some himself.

I don't give a damn if its 1 red cent, he's dogged Clinton for months for taking 1/30th of her yearly salarly in fees from this group...

His hands aren't pure and never have been, Sanders isn't Obama

[Duckhunter935]

21. he did not keep any himself

Please quit lying. He took money from the DSCC for his reelection campaign, not his PERSONAL ACCOUNT. Quite unlike Hillary who gave 3 private speeches and did put tgat 675K into her PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT.

[uponit7771]

30. This is also false

[EdwardBernays]

24. Total BS

He didn't lobby for money. Whatever you think that means.

He was a host of fundraisers aimed at the industry for the party he caucused with.

They chose to give some of it back to him.

That's wildly different to having all of your campaigns funded by corporations and corporate lobbyists, hiring the owner of one of the biggest lobbying firm in DC as your campaign chairman and taking millions from these same corporations in speaking fees.

But please please keep pretending it's not. Every time you do it makes undecided people realize just how dishonest team Goldman Sachs really is.

[uponit7771]

31. Yes he did... link AND quote inside

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-regular-luxurious-dscc-fundraising-retreats

The DSCC used its financial and political power to bolster Sanders and urge Democrats not to challenge him in his 2006 Senate bid, and spent close to $200,000 through various means to aid his election.

view photo essay
The presidential campaign: Bernie Sanders
The self-described democratic socialist is known for pushing change on income inequality, college affordability and criminal justice reform.
Bill Clinton said this week that he “practically fell out of my chair” when he read reports that Sanders had attended the DSCC’s summer donor retreats on Martha’s Vineyard, and Hillary Clinton said Sanders took Wall Street cash “not directly, but through the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.”

[EdwardBernays]

35. Again

That's not even vaguely the same.

He raised money for the DNC. He didn't raise it for himself. Had they not spent it on him he still would have raised it. He personally has raised no money from lobbyist PACs and banks. And he's not taken hundreds of thousands from speaking fees for himself. And he doesn't have the owner of one of DCs largest lobbying firms as his campaign chairman.

This whole Clinton talking point is extremely weak tea.

[uponit7771]

37. Again

... goal post moved.

He's dogging a candidate for being affiliated with Wall Street and taking money from them

That he got the money INDIRECTLY from these SAME PEOPLE or the amount was smaller than Clintons HAS BEEN irrelevant to his CURRENT position

I'm sure there's probably going to be some fine tuning going forward after this little bit of news

[EdwardBernays]

41. No

If all Hillary ever did was raise money for THE DNC no one would care.

The fact that you think otherwise is either deliberate trolling or delusion.

And as I stated there's NUMEROUS other things, like hiring lobbyists as staffers and the head of her campaign. Taking money from weapons manufacturers whole deciding on contracts at State, helping a uranium company she was making millions off, with the State Department. Etc etc etc.

There's also the little matter that the vast majority of the money he raised for the DNC went to other Democrats. Something you certainly accuse Hillary of.

Honestly. At this point you're just trolling. No one - not even you - thinks their behavior is even vaguely comparable. You're just repeating a talking point - an artful smear - one of many the Clintons have rolled out over the years. They never work and indeed this one is doing your side much more harm than good.

[uponit7771]

44. Yes, Sanders has been VERY CLEAR about his position on Clinton taking money from Wall Street...

... not only did he LOBBY for the money from Wall Street for the DSCC then he took some of the same money for HIS CAMPAIGN...

So this isn't a matter of just lobbying for cash from WS he took it indirectly...

It sounds like a slight of hand to say "well the other guys gave me the wall street money after I asked Wall Street for it"

That's...

BS

The other stuff doesn't move my mindset seeing Sanders isn't going to go into Washington and not have ONE PERSON from Wall Street out of MILLIONS of people affliated with Washington involved with his agenda...

I don't believe that for a second...

The AMOUNT of money he sent elsewhere isn't a salient part of his critique of Hillary; Hillary is affliated with and took money from Wall Street... that's his dog on her.

He's done something SIMILAR he's dogging someone else for many times... that's a fact on him.

[tularetom]

28. "Sanders isn't Obama"

And thank god for that. He might actually follow through on his campaign promises.

[uponit7771]

32. Why doesn't Sanders go around telling people in the SEC states this? Hunh? Cause he's

... not going to do that................ NOW

[Duckhunter935]

12. no he has not,please stop with that outright lie

He took money from the DSCC, the Democratic party

[uponit7771]

16. Which he lobbied Wall Street for to give to the DSCC personally. The SOURCE of the funds for the DSC

... was in part Wall Street.

His hands aren't clean in no way

[Duckhunter935]

22. so he helped the Democrats

Raise money, we are told he is not a Democrat. And there is a difference between raising for the party and Hillary putting that 675K into her PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT.

[neverforget]

23. Funny how that is overlooked

Campaign money vs personal income

[Duckhunter935]

29. yes it is

And they get real quiet or run and hide when those FACTS are presented. Do they really think we are stupid?

[noiretextatique]

65. Glossing over

Unfortunately the messenger is not very informed.

[uponit7771]

42. No, he helped HIMSELF also (link and quote inside)

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-regular-luxurious-dscc-fundraising-retreats

The DSCC used its financial and political power to bolster Sanders and urge Democrats not to challenge him in his 2006 Senate bid, and spent close to $200,000 through various means to aid his election.

view photo essay
The presidential campaign: Bernie Sanders
The self-described democratic socialist is known for pushing change on income inequality, college affordability and criminal justice reform.
Bill Clinton said this week that he “practically fell out of my chair” when he read reports that Sanders had attended the DSCC’s summer donor retreats on Martha’s Vineyard, and Hillary Clinton said Sanders took Wall Street cash “not directly, but through the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.”

[Duckhunter935]

48. thank you proving my statement as true

He spent 200K that he recieved from the DSCC on his reelection. That money was from the Democratic party and some came from wall Street. It said he got a max of 7500 dollars. Of course like I stated none of this went into his personal account and was used for reelection.

Hillary on the other hand recieved 675K directly from GS and THAT MONEY WENT TO HER PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT. That is completely different and you are smart enough to know that.

[uponit7771]

49. Good, we agree...Sanders too "some came from Wall Street" (your words) money too after lobbying for

... the month for the DSCC.

The amount is a goal move, Sanders dogging HRC this much means he doesn't take one red cent from the and he did

[Duckhunter935]

50. so we also agree none

Of that money went to his personal bank account like Hillary put that 675K.

[BeanMusical]

51. It appears that some of her most fervent and aggressive supporters used to hate her guts in 2008:

uponit7771 - Tue Apr-22-08
Original message

Hillary you damn liar!!!! You grew up in OHIO not PENNSYLVANIA!!!!

and you lied to the people of Ohio about NAFTA!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5631339

That's very peculiar. Could an exotic virus contracted while traveling together in the Amazon jungle explain their emotional reversal for HRC? Second case discovered today. Maybe we should call the CDC?

[Duckhunter935]

53. interesting find, thanks

I guess that poster must have evolved as much as Hillary

[BeanMusical]

55. Lol, yeah.

[kath]

60. We should somehow set up a folder for these, they're quite illuminating.

[BeanMusical]

61. Yes, they sure are.

[noiretextatique]

66. Centrists are united

They had two choices last time.

[H2O Man]

54. One question:

Do you think that there are differences between raising money for the Democratic Party, and making money for your personal wealth?

[uponit7771]

56. Yes of course if that's all he did was just raise money for the DNC it would be fine but that's not

... and all my replies up thread explain this

[H2O Man]

58. Okay, thanks.

I had read all of your replies. I wasn't sure if you thought that raising money for the DNC was distinct from being paid $600,000 in speakers' fees. I appreciate you answering my question.

It's a tough primary battle. Thank goodness we have two good candidates.

[Duckhunter935]

59. what did he do

Accept money fromm the DSCC for his campaign?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

8. Bernie is only focused on her funding, which won't come up in GE

the Rs have 20 years of Hillary "evolving" on dozens of issues and Bernie's giving her a free pass. The Rs won't.

[EdwardBernays]

9. her funding WILL come up in the GE

because it's tied to her corruption...

But yes, they'll also highlight her endless "evolving" on things like TPP... no one (from either party as far as I can tell) actually thinks Hillary is against the TPP... and pretty much everyone except a small minority in both parties IS...

For example.

[Donkees]

17. Hillary: "Name one time I changed due to Wall Street money." Elizabeth Warren: “Okay, allow me."

[Nyan]

18. We always talk about republican voters being suckers

for voting against their self-interest for the sake of wedge issues.
Well, we would be suckers if we let her get away with this kind of brazen corruption and influence-peddling that has led to disastrous consequences for the middle-class and the poor.

[Skwmom]

27. Fighting for Us. We know the us is the corporations and your 1% buddies. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. Well now, it's what they offered.

[BeanMusical]

52. Kick