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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:03 PM Feb 2016

Democratic mayor of Atlanta calls out Bernie Sanders for his race relations claim

Bernie Sanders is building bridges!

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(CNN) The Democratic mayor of Atlanta criticized Bernie Sanders on Friday for claiming at a recent Democratic debate that race relations would be better if he is president than they are under President Barack Obama.

Kasim Reed, a Hillary Clinton supporter, told CNN's Erin Burnett that the claim was "dismissive and disrespectful" of the nation's first African-American president and that Sanders' rhetoric on Thursday reminded him of a county commissioner. Reed went on to challenge Sanders' record, saying, "Show me in the Senate where he led some broad coalition to get something significant accomplished ... He is running to be the standard-bearer of the Democratic Party, although he just became a Democrat within the last year."

Reed also criticized Sanders for claiming he would be a better president for women than Clinton.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/12/politics/kasim-reed-bernie-sanders-atlanta/

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Democratic mayor of Atlanta calls out Bernie Sanders for his race relations claim (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 OP
Make room for Kasim Reed BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #1
So many Democratic politicians have been thrown under the bus at this point Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #3
Here we go. Wilms Feb 2016 #4
Here we go, indeed Empowerer Feb 2016 #10
That was purely an informational post. Wilms Feb 2016 #12
Of course it was Empowerer Feb 2016 #13
Context is a consideration. Wilms Feb 2016 #15
Of course it is Empowerer Feb 2016 #21
What am I doing wrong? Wilms Feb 2016 #28
Princeton study says, "...America’s claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened." kristopher Feb 2016 #31
The right side of the left doesn't want to discuss this. n/t Wilms Feb 2016 #32
Why can't you understand large contributors have more influence than small contributors? JRLeft Feb 2016 #22
Do Bernie folks jehop61 Feb 2016 #27
Of course we do. Wilms Feb 2016 #29
Throwback: JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #2
So...race relations are perfect right now? TCJ70 Feb 2016 #5
Who said race relations are perfect now? Are you reading the same article I posted? Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #6
I am... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #7
Nobody said race relations are perfect right now. Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #9
This is all I'm saying... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #11
Race relations would improve under Sanders because he would not President While Black Empowerer Feb 2016 #14
What? TCJ70 Feb 2016 #17
I have no idea what you're thinking Empowerer Feb 2016 #20
I don't disagree with that... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #24
He was not specifically asked about Obama that is (yet another insinuation) from a Clinton ally azurnoir Feb 2016 #19
For Your Consideration Billsmile Feb 2016 #8
Rec. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #16
DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #18
Must it be taken as a criticism of Obama? Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #23
Exactly... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #26
I agree with Sanders and the words of MLK support that view. kristopher Feb 2016 #25
..+1 840high Feb 2016 #30
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. So many Democratic politicians have been thrown under the bus at this point
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:21 PM
Feb 2016

It's hard to keep track.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
4. Here we go.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016

Let's have a look at contributors.


snip

The most recent round of fundraising show 240 separate donations from a who's-who of Atlanta business and politics. Frank Blake, chief executive of Home Depot, gave $1,000. Carol Tomé, the company's chief financial officer, gave the same amount, with the company's political action committee chipping in $2,500.

John Brock, chairman and CEO of soft drinks bottler Coca-Cola Enterprises, gave $2,500. Keisha Lance Bottoms, a member of Atlanta's City Council, gave $1,000.

snip

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/atlanta-mayor-kasim-reeds-campaign-raises-280000-h/nQQmg/


Here's the list.

http://media.ethics.ga.gov/search/Campaign/Campaign_ByContributions_RFR.aspx?NameID=4982&FilerID=C2008000654&CDRID=53241&Name=Reed,%20Mohammed%20Kasim&Year=2011&Report=December%2031st%20-%20Non-Election%20Year

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
10. Here we go, indeed
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

Anyone who criticizes He Who Is Never To Be Questioned MUST be immediately slimed as being bought and paid for.

Got it ..

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
13. Of course it was
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016

Of all of the pieces of "information" you could have shared about Mayor Reed, you chose that one.

Got it ...

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
15. Context is a consideration.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:53 PM
Feb 2016

You can go to his wiki page. There's a lot there to enjoy for progressives and liberals alike.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
28. What am I doing wrong?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

I stand with Hillary.

Our democracy should work for everyone, not just the wealthy and well-connected.

Hillary will:

Overturn Citizens United.

End secret, unaccountable money in politics.

Establish a small-donor matching system to amplify the voices of everyday Americans.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/


kristopher

(29,798 posts)
31. Princeton study says, "...America’s claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened."
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

Is there a way to ensure that he, personally, is aware of it?

APRIL 18, 2014
Is America an Oligarchy?
BY JOHN CASSIDY
From the Dept. of Academics Confirming Something You Already Suspected comes a new study concluding that rich people and organizations representing business interests have a powerful grip on U.S. government policy. After examining differences in public opinion across income groups on a wide variety of issues, the political scientists Martin Gilens, of Princeton, and Benjamin Page, of Northwestern, found that the preferences of rich people had a much bigger impact on subsequent policy decisions than the views of middle-income and poor Americans. Indeed, the opinions of lower-income groups, and the interest groups that represent them, appear to have little or no independent impact on policy....
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/is-america-an-oligarchy


The original study:

From the Sept 2014 journal "Perspectives on Politics"

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page

ABSTRACT

Each of four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics—which can be characterized as theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic-Elite Domination, and two types of interest-group pluralism, Majoritarian Pluralism and Biased Pluralism—offers different predictions about which sets of actors have how much influence over public policy: average citizens; economic elites; and organized interest groups, mass-based or business-oriented.
A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.


The last paragraph of their findings:

Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a wide-spread (if still contested) franchise. But we believe that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organizations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America’s claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened.
https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

"...America’s claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened."

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
27. Do Bernie folks
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

Not realize that all politics is fueled by campaign donations? All candidates receive money from somewhere. It's not a test of democratic purity to receive funds to run a campaign. Thats our system. Thank the Roberts Court. They exacerbated am already problematic tactic.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
29. Of course we do.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:36 PM
Feb 2016

That's not the argument. We're talking about what results from that.

It's not OK when the Koch's do it, but OK when Wall Street, et. al., does?

Meanwhile, Bernie says no to that kind of funding. You know how he gets away with that? He caters to the us, not them.

So far, it's working.

Oh, and he won't be seeking Kissinger's advice.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
2. Throwback:
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:09 PM
Feb 2016
Clinton is, along with Carly Fiorina, running to become the nation's first female president. When asked if she thinks she would govern differently than a male president, Clinton said "I do," noting a different emphasis on issues and certain character traits.

"There are some areas where our own life experiences really prepare us to be more receptive. I do think there is something in the governing or organizing approach," she said.

"I just think women in general are better listeners, are more collegial, more open to new ideas and how to make things work in a way that looks for win-win outcomes."


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265037-clinton-female-politicians-govern-differently-than-men

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
5. So...race relations are perfect right now?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:23 PM
Feb 2016

This is the problem. Sanders pushes for more, and it's viewed as some kind of slam against Obama. It's ridiculous.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
7. I am...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:25 PM
Feb 2016

...the question Sanders was asked was if race relations would improve under his presidency. That's not a bad thing and it's being portrayed as it is.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
11. This is all I'm saying...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:28 PM
Feb 2016

...Sanders answer to that question is not bad. As he's running to be president after Obama, the goal of improving race relations should only move in the direction of "better" compared to Obama's terms. If not, that's an issue. For him to say otherwise or be expected to say otherwise, is ridiculous.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
20. I have no idea what you're thinking
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:02 PM
Feb 2016

But if you've been paying attention the last few years, you've noticed that our current President's hue is a yuuuge problem for lots of people. Returning to a white president will calm some if those folks down enough for some of the ugly to get buried again. Not go away. Just get buried for awhile.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
24. I don't disagree with that...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

...as depressing as it is. It really doesn't have much to do with my post either, though.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
19. He was not specifically asked about Obama that is (yet another insinuation) from a Clinton ally
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

here is what was asked

We are looking at an economy in which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer," Sanders said. "And sadly in America today, in our economy, a whole lot of those poor people are African-American."

Debate moderator Judy Woodruff asked Sanders to clarify whether he thought race relations would be better under a Sanders presidency "than they've been." (Previously, she'd asked Hillary Clinton why she thought race relations would be better if she were President).

"Absolutely," Sanders responded.

"Because what we will do is say, instead of giving tax breaks to billionaires, we are going to create millions of jobs for low-income kids so they're not hanging out on street corners," he explained. "We're going to make sure that those kids stay in school or are able to get a college education. And I think when you give low-income kids, African-American, white, Latino kids the opportunities to get their lives together, they are not going to end up in jail. They're going to end up in the productive economy, which is where we want them."


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-improve-race-relations-obama
 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
23. Must it be taken as a criticism of Obama?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:04 PM
Feb 2016

To say that things could be better is not to imply that they're bad now and getting worse. It's just that there's room for more improvement. Obama deserves credit for getting things to the point they're at now. But does that mean we should stop here?

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
25. I agree with Sanders and the words of MLK support that view.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

1965: After passage of the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act in 1965, King became even more vocal about economic rights: “What good is having the right to sit at a lunch counter if you can’t afford to buy a hamburger?”

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/11/reality-check-democrats-would-martin-luther-king-be-supporting-bernie

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