Man, we are going to get our butts kicked

[lancer78]

Instead of talking the issues, we are bringing up stuff from 50 years ago. Was Sanders involved in local civil rights groups? Yes, he was. Did Clinton meet Lewis? Yes, she did. Fighting about this stuff makes us look like a bunch of idiots. Any Dem has a good chance in the GE because of the blue wall and demographics. Let us not tear each other down so much that whichever side that losses the primary, their voters won't be saying "F**k this".

[RobertEarl]

1. Thanks, Hillary!

[PatrickforO]

2. This seems to be the newest meme - that we have a couple of old baby boomers

running on the past and not the future. However proposals made by both candidates do in fact address the future. I like and support Bernie because he directly addresses issues that will in fact help me and my family in the future. But I can see from his proposals that it will also help most Americans and most American business, particularly small business entrepreneurs. Substantially.

[Hekate]

13. Uhhhhh, Bernie is not a Baby Boomer. He's a War Baby.

Many people put off having babies during the Depression due to poverty, then a lot of men went off to war, so there was over a decade of substantially lowered procreation.

When all those men came home from WW II, Europe and Asia were devastated and poor, but the US became exceedingly prosperous. And there were lots and lots of babies born from 1946 on thru the next decade. A Baby Boom.

Carry on.

[closeupready]

3. Blame Debbie WS - she helped to keep others like Kirstin Gillibrand

or Gavin Newsome out of the running. Our candidates are grandparents.

Now personally, I don't object to that, and considering how many young people are overwhelmingly voting for the oldest candidate ever, I don't think you are correct.

It's not like we are getting married to them - we are electing societal elders to lead - who better than those who were THERE when important things happened? So yeah, that means they'll probably be older.

[Beacool]

4. The inanity of it all is mind boggling.

Was Hillary a Goldwater girl when she was in high school? Was Sanders an activist in the 60s? Kissinger is a bad dude. Something or other about the Shah of Iran, blah, blah, blah.

Are we trying to elect a president this year or are we in the 50s, 60s or 80s (pick your decade of choice, they all came up in last debate).

At this rate, we are going to get pummeled by the winner of the clown car.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

7. American imperialsim in Iran in the '50s

is actually a big deal. It's inadvertently how America established a radical theocracy in Tehran.

[virtualobserver]

8. "Something or other about the Shah of Iran"

"Kissinger is bad"

I think that I will include that in my new book.....History and stuff.

[Beacool]

12. And almost no one voting this year gives a fig about Iran in the 50s.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

18. Speak for yourself.

[Armstead]

20. They should because that kind of behavior has given us.....

Iran as an enemy, Al Q and Isis and a whole host of otehr blow-back.

[mikehiggins]

10. Inane up to a point. Kissinger is not an idle question.

Why people went out of their way to try and attack Sanders record (if you can't follow the timeline of how this came to pass you really should go lay down) is due to their need to undermine his reputation for integrity. If he would lie about something like that, what else would he lie about?

Okay, fine. What sickens me is hearing HRC talking about Kissinger like he was anything but the architect of wars and imperialism that killed maybe a million or more people around the globe, all in the name of US freedom. It is not an academic discussion if HRC is taking advice from the uberhawk of modern times.

We do NOT want anymore pointless, disastrous wars waged so some people can get richer and some companies can dominate markets. There is no "white man's burden" requireing us to bring the values of I-phones and Google to the benighted dark skin masses around the world. We have lost too much, paid too high a price in the bodies of our men and women, and our victims around the world to tolerate any more of that crap.

HRC and Kissinger are just more members of the same club and, like George Carlin warned, YOU ain't in it.

[Beacool]

14. The Left is always so self-righteous and outraged about everything.

Of course Kissinger is a creep. Hillary only said that he had praised her management skills. When she became SOS she met with every former SOS. They each gave her insight into the areas of their expertise. Kissinger's is China. It's not like Obama consulted Kissinger to draft his foreign policy.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

19. If you're not left then I guess that must make you extremely right?

[PatrickforO]

21. Yes, Kissinger talked about 'useless eaters'

in the same breath as US 'policy toward the third world.'

Useless eaters.

[jillan]

5. It is NOTHING in comparison to what is going on in the gop primaries.

They're whole primary is based on who can sling the most mud, deliver the most insults.

[lancer78]

6. Our Primary

Is starting to sound like theirs.

[leftofcool]

23. Actually, I think it is worse.

[mhatrw]

9. The Clinton campaign is ratfucking the Sanders campaign about stuff from 50 years ago.

And, yes, that is definitely a losing strategy any way you slice it.

[Beacool]

15. Come again?

A bit of dissonance here. Who brought up Kissinger and the Shah of Iran during last debate? It certainly wasn't Hillary.

[mhatrw]

17. So you mean we are not allowed to learn from the sad history of US interventionism?

I mean, if we had stopped doing that crap 50 years ago, I would agree with you, but we keep doing it every year or two with the same sad results for all involved, except for the war profiteers.

[joshcryer]

11. I post here for the very rare moments I get real political junky talk.

And then I spend the rest of the time browsing through clickbait and drama.

[Beacool]

16. I agree.

This board is like something from middle school. Drama all the time.

[catnhatnh]

22. You have posted that your candidate having a friend and mentor

who is the architect of multiple holocausts is boring old unimportant stuff.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Swift boating is never minor

So minimizing is the new strategy?

[HereSince1628]

25. Ummm, seems Trump is talking about 'The Final Solution' for immigration.

Maybe some time with our heads back in the last century is what 2016 needs.

[Trajan]

26. Bye bye

This is worth a few brawls ....

Your pusillanimous call to step down from this very important turning point would have everybody else suffering the same indignities they have had to endure for decades ...

Enough IS enough ... If you don't want to fight for your future, then just step out of the way ...

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

29. Who are you fighting, who is the enemy? Honest question. Who ever wins the primary I hope we

rediscover the lost art of "coalition building." Gonna need it. Not only to effectively work with ea. other but the many disaffected moderates, independents, and ordinary working folks who this time around may be ripe for having a "which side are you on" moment and switching teams from R to D. It is a remarkable historic moment for that reason too - the R side finally being seen by more people (even my fox viewing,pro life Mom) as overtly facist, corporatist and/or religious jihadists. Carpe diem!

[CanonRay]

27. I am sick of all the snark on DU

It is getting old and stupid.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

28. Yah but mostly cos of VOTER SUPPRESSION TACTICS - HAS gotten lot worse than even 4 yrs ago here in

WI we now have voter id requriements, new obstacles to register people, the non partisan election board has been eliminated, even legislation is said to be in the works to allow uncertified voting macines. YIKES.

Its THAT.... IN COMBINATION WITH the endless squabbling here that makes me tend to think - we're doomed! Unless we all get together and get the vote out whoever the nominee is.

Meanwhile theres recent research that's shown that these voter suppression tactics can reduce turnout as much as 8% which mostly translates into loss of Dem votes.

Hope yall are putting in 1/2 as much effort going out and helping people get IDs/register as you are sitting around posting stuff on the internets.