Per John Lewis in his book he heard about B Clinton in early 70s and paid no attentention until 1988

[Nanjeanne]

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Only posting for informational purposes. It appears "newscasters" are saying otherwise. But this is from Lewis' own account - so I'm assuming he knows what he is talking/writing about. For anyone wondering what this relates to: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1203736

[bravenak]

1. So what? I do not understand this line at all.

He did not say he met them on a particular date.

[Nanjeanne]

5. I said "newscasters" There is OP re Chuck Todd etc.

If you don't understand it - then just scroll right by. No worries.

[bravenak]

7. Oh no! There is so much indignation that I feel the need to be here

[Nanjeanne]

10. Indignation: anger or annoyance provoked by what is perceived as unfair treatment. So WTF?

Posting a correction to a newscasters misinformation is indignation?

Just let me know where to send the dictionary. I'll spring for it!

[bravenak]

12. Percieved is the key word

Don't worry about my abilities with words. I surpass those who condescend to me quite regularly.

[Nanjeanne]

14. No worries. I don't take you seriously so it's all good.

[bravenak]

15. Likewise, I'm sure

[Eric J in MN]

9. NBC's Chuck Todd reported Lewis met the Clintons in 1960s according to post in another thread. NT

NT

[bravenak]

13. Did Lewis say that or Chuckie Toad?

[Eric J in MN]

17. Chuck Todd NT

NT

[ismnotwasm]

30. Just served on a jury for this comment

It was framed as you calling a DUer stupid.

I'll post results

[bravenak]

32. What? Well guess this is goodbye!

[bravenak]

33. I deleted it. I refuse to let that be the thing

[bravenak]

26. Chuck is an idiot

[Half-Century Man]

39. Most assuredly, Chuck is an idiot

Love the avatar, Starry night

[DefenseLawyer]

19. We've all seen the quote, he clearly implied that he met them in the civil rights movement

He was asked specifically about Sanders' involvement with the Civil Rights Movement and his answer was "I never saw him. I never met him [in the civil rights movement] " then added:
"I'm a chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years, from 1963 to 1966. I was involved in the sit-ins, the freedom rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery, and directed their voter education project for six years. But I met Hillary Clinton. I met President Clinton."

There is no honest way to read that without the implication that he met them during the period he referenced. I think it's pretty clear he didn't, but that was what he intended to imply. Doesn't make him a bad guy, just a politician.

[bravenak]

27. But he did not say when

Because it was not in writing and we are more clear when we write.
I understood him fine, but it might be because I understand his vernacular. The way he said it did not imply he met them in the 60's. The climtons were not even an item in the 60s, so it is obvious he meant during their marriage and more than likely when bill was prez.
I think people are improperly picking their battles, and if anybody wanted to trick a group into screwing themselves it would work if they fought every single thing and battled day after day.

[DefenseLawyer]

31. The whole question was in the context of Sanders in the civil rights movement

Obviously he wasn't saying he'd never met Bernie Sanders, ever. No one thought he meant that. He said that he had never met him in the movement. Then he just threw in, in the same context "I met Hillary". If that's not what he meant to imply, that's how everyone but you took it, apparently. I don't think it's anything to "battle" about. Politics ain't beanbag and he's a politician, that's all.

[bravenak]

35. The civil rights movement is ongoing, sir

[DefenseLawyer]

42. Well in that case he flat out lied

Because here's a photo of John Lewis meeting Bernie Sanders during the civil rights movement

[bravenak]

44. So? He did not meet bernie in the sixties is what he said

He never gave a date on the clintons. They were not together to even BE the 'Clintons' in the sixties, this is just sad.

[DefenseLawyer]

50. It's sad that you can't admit that a politician was playing politics

You parse his words to fit your agenda. Oh he was being specific about Bernie but general about the the Clintons. It's nothing to freak out about either way but don't pretend it's not hardball politics, no more no less.

[wildeyed]

73. That is a photo op.

Glorified selfie.

[DefenseLawyer]

86. I realize that

I was mocking the previous remark that tried to rectify Lewis's statement that he had met Bill and Hillary during the civil rights movement because "the civil rights movement is ongoing". I just pointed out that by that logic, there was a picture of Lewis meeting Sanders "during the [ongoing] civil rights movement".

[wildeyed]

91. Who even knows what you are implying.

That Bernie Sanders can imply that he was part of the "Movement" because he spent a nice afternoon at the National Mall listening to speeches, but when John Lewis calls that nonsense out, he is playing politics? That John Lewis lied about when he met the Clintons? And then that stupid selfie of Sanders on the bridge..... So yeah, I am confused about what and who you are mocking.

[DefenseLawyer]

93. Okay.

Sorry to confuse you. Better luck next time.

[wildeyed]

94. You could clarify.

Did you call Lewis a liar or not?

And why is Sanders is allowed to overstate his involvement with the Civil Right Movement, disingenuous as hell and you know it, but Lewis is "playing politics" when he calls that out?

Why don't you point the finger at Sanders too, since in your own words, lying "Doesn't make him a bad guy, just a politician". Or just let the whole thing go as a wash, a tit for tat?

"There is no honest way to read that without the implication that he met them during the period he referenced. I think it's pretty clear he didn't, but that was what he intended to imply. Doesn't make him a bad guy, just a politician."

Waiting......

[Luminous Animal]

38. I'm not buying this.

....said he never saw Sanders at any events.

"I never saw him. I never met him," Lewis said. "I was chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years, from 1963 to 1966. I was involved with the sit-ins, the Freedom Rides, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery and directed (the) voter education project for six years. But I met Hillary Clinton. I met President (Bill) Clinton."

Or rather, "I never saw him. I never met him but I met Hillary Clinton, I met President Clinton.

And yes, he has also met Bernie Sanders.

[bravenak]

40. Maybe he does not like him?

[Luminous Animal]

41. Maybe he doens't. And?

[bravenak]

43. Avoided him

Lewis obviously meant he mets the 'Clintons'. Since they were not grown in the 60s like Bernie and Lewis, he met them later after they were a couple. I am shocked at the unwillingness to pick battles more wisely.
There will be something tomorrow with a different black leader and on and on for months yet. How does this gelp in any way is what i'd ask myself.

I actually find this one depressing. His poor facebook too. Unreal the things being said to him. Unreal.

[Paulie]

52. He didn't dislike him enough to not let his leg director get promoted

To be Bernie's senate chief of staff.

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2013/4/24/extensions-of-remarks-section/article/E540-1

I read she does a great Hillary during debate prep.

[bravenak]

55. Let? He did not own anybody people can change jobs without their bosses permission

This is weird

[Paulie]

57. No but if Bernie was horrible I would expect some words of advice

People are their own minds.

[bravenak]

66. Ok. Then they would leave if they wanted. Has nothing to do with Lewis.

[Paulie]

81. Just commenting on the "dislike"

Anyways debate watching time!

[bravenak]

83. Have fun!

[reformist2]

70. Lewis' statement sounds like a classic scripted and cleverly-worded Clintonian lie to me.

Nasty stuff, especially given the sensitivities surrounding civil-rights bona-fides.

Bernie absolutely needs to get out there and counteract this lie by getting out there and vociferously and repeatedly maintaining his lifelong and ongoing commitment to civil rights, and surrounding himself with well-known civil rights leaders who will back him up on this. John Lewis is not the only authority out there on the subject, not by a long shot. In the end, Bernie can turn this issue upside down on Hillary, who was doing what exactly in the early 1960s???

[BillZBubb]

79. Exactly. Lewis was, to put it kindly, being deceptive.

[unapatriciated]

24. It needs to be clarified because even those on DU think they met when Clinton was only 16.

Star Member catnhatnh (8,200 posts)
1. Okay

if all this is true how does John Lewis recall meeting Hillary between 63-66'?????
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[bravenak]

28. Omg. He obviously meant during their marriage probably at the whitehouse, my goodness.

[unapatriciated]

49. I agree but it wasn't obvious, others including Chuck Todd believe

that they met in the 60's. I Think both have done well in regards to civil rights and equal rights...Clinton just came to the party later than Sanders probably due more to her age and family influence. You can't deny there are a few who are using Lewis's statements as a weapon and smear against Sanders and the very real things he did for C.O.R.E. One of them was getting arrested. The way Lewis made his statement did indeed seed doubt.

[bravenak]

56. People need to pick their battles

[unapatriciated]

60. Yes they do, they also need to speak up when the battle cry is questionable.

[bravenak]

64. This is so sad

[unapatriciated]

68. Yes, but I don't think we have the same reason for it being sad.

Sad that an leader since day one of civil rights would not just state his support without putting a cloud on a good man.

[Fumesucker]

62. Yeah, Kerry should have fought back agains the Swiftboating, picking that one would have been smart

[bravenak]

63. Damn straight

[Cheese Sandwich]

2. wow

[HereSince1628]

3. That's a different narrative, don't get worked up trying to make details

align in narratives.

The people who will be affected by his statement sure aren't going to be interested in that.

[Eric J in MN]

4. When did John Lewis first meet the Clintons? NT

NT

[reformist2]

71. The answer to that question will put the lie to Lewis' statement!

[pnwmom]

80. In a speech at an event honoring John Lewis in 2000,

Bil Clinton says it was when Bill was 29. So that was in the mid 70's.

[cyberswede]

6. I know it's a lot to expect reporters to do fucking research.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. You, you know how long that takes?

Jesus, next you will ask that a man who has a RESEARCH STAFF, puts that staff to work.

[Fumesucker]

65. They have cocktail parties to attend and important people to flatter

These things take time.

[AZ Progressive]

8. The way John Lewis said it was like he met Bill and Hillary during the civil rights movement

He didn't exactly said it but one could insinuate that thats what he meant.

[Merryland]

11. That seems to have been the implication

and now his own words come back to bite him - this seems to be the effect of the Clinton campaign on otherwise esteemed individuals, like Steinem. This is going to be a long, ugly battle - but we'll ultimately take back the Democratic party in what just may be a landslide...

[stillwaiting]

16. I hope you're right, and I love your username.

Welcome to DU!

[Fawke Em]

20. Seems Clinton smear stains get on even the best individuals.

Sad.

[LiberalArkie]

36. But never met or heard of Bernie Sanders while he was in the Congress.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

85. YES - He knew what he was doing and...

it was ugly

[wordpix]

96. that's the impression I got from Lewis' statement also

That Bill and Hill were right there marching across the Pettus Br. and riding the buses with the Freedom Riders in the 60's.

And Bernie was nowhere to be found until just recently.

[Jefferson23]

22. The whole thing is so sad, in many ways I hate politics. n/t

[jfern]

23. I guess he missed that 1987 bill Bill Clinton signed

that said that the star in the Arkansas flag was a symbol of the confederacy.

[Art_from_Ark]

72. Holy cow

I must have missed that bill.

But there are several stars in the Arkansas flag-- the 25 in the diamond represent Arkansas' admission as the 25th state, while the 4 larger stars represent countries that have had sovereignty over the state-- France and Spain (as part of Louisiana), the US, and the Confederacy. The lone star above the state's name represents the Confederacy, which strikes me as odd since it would seem more logical to have it represent the US, which, growing up in Arkansas in the 1960s and 70s, I had always thought. It's weird to read that Bill Clinton reaffirmed what had apparently been implicitly known since that 4th star was added in the 1920s.

[Uncle Joe]

25. Brooke Baldwin on CNN asked some political ANALyst (I don't know his name) whether Hillary

should bring up in tonight's debate that John Lewis had known Hillary back then but not Bernie Sanders and the Pillsbury Doughboy answered "she doesn't need to this is damning enough" I though what a blithering idiot.

Thanks for the thread, Nanjeanne.

[Luminous Animal]

29. And didn't meet him until 1991.

[Autumn]

34. I wonder if he met Hillary before 1991? It would be strange if he had met Hillary

before her husband ran for President.

[madfloridian]

47. Thanks for the link.

Some of the dates don't seem to match up. Would have been better if he had just endorsed Hillary.

I am getting very touchy about any even implied racism directed toward Bernie.

[PatrynXX]

37. don't much carry for her anymore

she has zero soul very angry how poorly timed she did everything today. pretty much ruined the last name Clinton now and forever. Clinton got worse than Bush ever did. He was a nice guy led around by a controlling bully Cheney

[sarge43]

45. Thank you, Nanjeanne

Team Clinton still doesn't get fact checking. Unbelievable.

[SheenaR]

46. The implication was clear today

It's sad that they feast on the uninformed voter who won't take the time to look the information up.

Note: disagreeing with me or Bernie or anyone does not make someone uninformed. It's the person who gets all of their news from sound bites.

[H2O Man]

48. Interesting.

Clinton didn't run for office until his unsuccessful campaign for a House seat in 1974. He was elected as state attorney general in '76, and governor in '78. "Early seventies," indeed.

[Art_from_Ark]

51. Bill Clinton didn't become Attorney General until 1976 (77)

And he didn't become governor until 1978 (79)

That's not the "early '70s"

[H2O Man]

54. See post #48

for documentation that great minds think alike.

[Art_from_Ark]

58. Yeah, it looks like we wrote almost exactly the same thing at almost the same time

By the way, I remember the 1974 Congressional race-- Clinton was running against an incumbent, John Paul Hammerschmidt, who had held the seat since 1966/67. It was pretty much neck-and-neck, until the votes from Fort Smith were counted, and that gave Hammerschmidt the edge he needed to beat Clinton.

[Autumn]

61. See post #29 for more documentation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511204077#post29

[tularetom]

53. Sad that an honorable person like Cong. Lewis has allowed himself to be tainted by the Clinton stink

As this information begins to leak out, the halo will start to slip off his head.

[retrowire]

78. don't take the bait. nt

[lsewpershad]

59. Not seeing Bernie does not mean

Bernie was not there.

[thereismore]

67. I guess that answers the question When did Rep. Lewis meet Hillary. nt

[SansACause]

69. Going after John Lewis and Gloria Steinem as traitors to progressives.

You guys have lost your fucking minds.

[retrowire]

74. clarifying a vague statement is "going after" people?

have you lost your mind?

[wildeyed]

75. Don't forget Planned Parenthood

and Human Rights Campaign.

[retrowire]

76. no one ever went after those organizations but hey

you desperately need ammo.

[wildeyed]

82. He did.

Called them The Establishment when they didn't endorse. Let his online minions swarm. One word from the Bernster, and they would have backed off, but he likes to let them do his dirty.

And I don't need any ammo because he can shoot himself in the foot well enough without my assistance.

[retrowire]

88. He called the leadership establishment.

And continues to praise the organizations themselves. Try again. XD

[wildeyed]

92. No, he called them

"part of the establishment" and allowed them to be swarmed online. He might have walked it back later, after he realized how much it hurt him in the polls. But at the time, he was very definitive and did not make any distinctions.

Would have been VERY helpful if he at least made the distinction between the PP Action fund political arm that endorsed Clinton and the c3 healthcare provider who serves poor and young women, before all those people yanked their donations. But there it is.... Bernie's way or under the bus, I guess.

I would post a smilie too, but I actually find this upsetting. Not something to gloat about.

[Art_from_Ark]

77. So you're fine with Steinem saying that young women who support Bernie

are only looking for boys?

And Mr. Lewis better check his memory if he thinks that he first heard of Bill Clinton in the early '70s after Clinton's election as attorney general and governor, since Clinton didn't officially become governor until 1979.

[Nanjeanne]

84. Who's going after them as traitors?

Why do Clinton supporters go to such extremes? Someone points out a discrepancy and it's calling some one a traitor. Someone says something dumb about young people and they are called on it and they are traitors?

I guess I shouldn't b surprised since Clinton herself prefers accusing other people of extreme behavior over any criticism. But it's so incredibly bizarre.

[MisterP]

95. anyone who acts deceptively gets their record put on the record

citing Lewis's book isn't declaring him a traitor

[SoapBox]

87. There is just a whole mess of what is true and what is not true,

in what Mr. Lewis said today.

As people started digging, the dates and meeting times don't make sense.

For me the bottom line is...he supports Hill (and has in the past)...he does not support Bernie.

[zentrum]

89. Lewis's critique of Bernie

…….during the mid to late sixties—that he, Lewis, had never seen Bernie at a SNCC or a civil rights event seems bogus to me, given that during this period Bernie was actually a student organizer for SNCC and Clinton, a student at Wellesley, actually opposed SNCC.

A 2009 NYT's article by Mark Leibovich describes her her as seeing SNCC as having "excessively combative methods" that she disapproved of.

At age 20—that would be 1967—she was working for Eugene MCCarthy's campaign and also interning for the hawkish Republican Melvin Laird. [Ever the triangulator]

So what is Lewis talking about?

[Politicub]

90. So civil rights icon Lewis gets the bern treatment

Stay classy, Sanders supporters.