Politifact says Bernie lied yet again...this time about Republicans and climate change

[Cali_Democrat]

By C. Eugene Emery Jr.

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders has been contending that all of his Republican opponents are climate change deniers.

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"Let's talk about climate change," he said. "Do you think there's a reason why not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate change is real, and that we need to transform our energy system? Do you think it has anything to do with the Koch brothers and ExxonMobil pouring huge amounts of money into the political system? That is what goes on in America."

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Our ruling

Sanders said, "Not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate change is real."

In fact, we found four GOP presidential candidates who have said it is real, it's man-made, and they have offered support for actions to deal with it.

Whether their proposed actions — or the actions proposed by Sanders — are the best way of tackling the problem is a matter for debate.

We rate Sanders' assertion as False.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/09/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-offers-overheated-claim-where-all-r/

[Kalidurga]

1. What was the name of the shark?

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Bernie said "Not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate change is real."

Is that true or false?

Simple question.

[Kalidurga]

14. Well there are apparently four of them out of all the Republicans in congress

Perhaps he hasn't met them.

[Cali_Democrat]

20. You can't even answer a simple question

Too funny.

[Kalidurga]

24. Neither can you.

All I asked for was a name.

[riversedge]

32. Let you fingers do the walking over your keyboard and do some research instead of expecting

others to do it for you.

[Kalidurga]

36. You mean to tell me the name of the shark the OP jumped?

Okay fine, I will name it Bobbie after a girl I baby sat when I was a teenager. She gave me a cat that I named Saber and I was the only one that cat liked.

[riversedge]

50. whatever pleases your fancy.

[orpupilofnature57]

53. Pathetic, Read what you post .

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

3. Defending Republicans now?

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Sanders said, "Not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate change is real."

Is that true or false?

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

6. Wow. Yep, you got him.

His campaign is over. Pack it in, folks, we're going home.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Was what Bernie said true or false?

"Not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate change is real."

True or false?

Simple question.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

13. Third option: free.

Or maybe Tralse.

[Kittycat]

27. Straw...

Reaching, grasping, almost there. Fail.

Thanks for trying. Congratulations on your effort.

[2pooped2pop]

22. Lol

I know. Compare this to the Hillary lies and well...

[bowens43]

10. are you a real person or are you some kind of clown who dropped in to spoof hill supporters?

[SDJay]

16. ...

That is all.

[2pooped2pop]

26. Let me double down on that

[MrMickeysMom]

37. Results of your jury...

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[John Poet]

63. I guess no one gives a shit.

[krawhitham]

64. Is that really all you have? Sorta pathetic

[TheBlackAdder]

5. They said stuff before the primaries... when no one cared! Not really their vocal position now! nt

[riversedge]

51. Sanders brought the False finding upon himself -all by himself.

[JackInGreen]

7. I thought we played "Gotcha" with suction cup dart guns

So glad to see you've found another way,I'm sure we could use it to dodge sniper fire.

[Cali_Democrat]

12. Sanders said: "Not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate change is real."

Is that true or false?

Simple question.

[JackInGreen]

21. .

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[redruddyred]

45. they're sure being coy about letting us voters know just how they feel

sitting thru a republican debate is almost as fun as that waterboarding thing they keep talking about, but i haven't noticed discussion of climate change in any of the vascular headache-inducing rightwing spectacles recently.

[bowens43]

8. you are one desperate hillary bot...... she is NEVER going to be president. Get used to the idea.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Sanders said: "Not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate change is real."

Is that true or false?

Simple question.

[trof]

17. So. What? Really.

meh

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

18. Marco, is that you?

I thought we talked about this whole "repeating things over and over again" thing.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

42. True. He overstated the case.

I believed it because very recently I wasn't a ware of any GOP realists. Apparently it is hurting their credibility so badly they are finally evolving. He needs to pull back and simply say until recently they were all deniers and that none of them are offering any realistic solutions.

Another reason I hope Bernie runs against Trump. He can continue this line of attack with impunity. Another absurd Trump position, like the president not being born in the US.

[Xipe Totec]

15. Oh, noes!

On the issue of whether climate has been changing significantly in recent decades, Bush, Christie, Fiorina, Kasich and Rubio say that it has.

Bush, Christie, Fiorina and Kasich say it's man made. Rubio says it's not.

Bush, Christie, Fiorina and Kasich have called for some degree of action to combat it.


So now that Christie & Fiorina have bombed, we're down to two Republican candidates.

Bush says: "The climate is changing; I don’t think anybody can argue it’s not," Bush told Bloomberg. "Human activity has contributed to it. I think we have a responsibility to adapt to what the possibilities are without destroying our economy, without hollowing out our industrial core."

So, yea, it's changing. But let's not wreck the economy over it.

The "climate change" section of Kasich's website has a video saying that he cares about the environment.

[NurseJackie]

19. Hmmm. Very interesting. Not good.

[farleftlib]

23. Bernie lies all day long, he wakes up lying, practices more lies while brushing his teeth

spends the entire day lying to everybody about everything, even what he wants to order off the menu at lunch, writes down some lies, calls in some lies, lies to his family, friends and co-workers and of course, to the American public at all times about all things. He couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it.

OK, you happy now? We don't care about how many lies you "find" on the interwebs about Bernie. It's so fucking pathetic and oollllllllddddddd!

[Kelvin Mace]

25. So, out of 300 Republicans in congress, you come up with four?

Wow. We are really reaching.

[frylock]

28. Kick and rec..

It's nice to see someone here post something positive about Republicans. Great job!

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

29. BERNIE LIED AGAIN!

His wife asked if he wanted a second cup of coffee and he said yes, even though he didn't really want one.

[Vattel]

31. So he made a mistake. BFD.

[kenfrequed]

33. So...

This is the big lie of the sanders campaign... this?

Really?

Is this the best you can frigging do?

Cite four republicans that cannot do a goddamn thing about climate change and somehow pretend that that minuscule number will make a damned bit of difference.

Give me a frigging break. Is Hillary going to campaign on this? That Bernie Sanders underlooked the accomplishments of four pitiful republicans? Are those republicans going to hit the stump heavy and hard to fight climate change?

This is the most pitiful of fact checks I have ever seen. The only thing more questionable is why anyone would bother posting it on a Democratic message board.

[aidbo]

34. Congratulations. You got him!

This might be the 'lie' that brings down the whole Sanders campaign.

When historians look back at the 2016 Democratic primary, they will point to this article and say that "this is where everything went off the rails for Bernie."

I for one, as a Sanders supporter, am shocked & chagrined and I will have to do some serious soul searching inside myself to see if I can still support him going forward...


..and I'm done. Still going to support him.

[beam me up scottie]

35. LMAO! This is what you've got on Bernie? He besmirched good Republicans?

[jaded_old_cynic]

43. Amazing, ain't it?

Never thought I'd see the day, but alas, it has arrived!

[Bad Thoughts]

38. Truth: GOP Candidates are too cowardly to deal with climate change

The candidates the article points to--Fiorina, Christie, Kasich, and Bush--recognize climate change to some degree. However, every one of them say that the the US should do little to nothing about it. Effectively, their recognition is meaningless.

Now, stop shilling for the right.

[aidbo]

39. .

[longship]

41. The third pic is a Maltese!

I love Maltese! They are the coolest dog breed! Gentle. Happy. Playful. Hypo-allergenic!

[aidbo]

47. That is a cute pup! And so determined to get the treat.

Hopefully his person gave him a treat after the big dog ate his.

[longship]

40. This post is utter rubbish!

Especially given that almost the entire GOP narrative is that climate change is a hoax.

That there are a couple of GOP candidates who do not support that outright false narrative in no way takes away from Bernie's characterization that the GOP is, on the whole in the pockets of the oil companies and will fight the climate change narrative.

Bernie may not be exactly correct, but he is essentially correct, which in this case is close enough. He has been in Congress long enough to have to duke it out with those fucking idiots.

So I rate this claim: Not precisely, but essentially true.

Any other characterization is to ignore the GOP ideology. Why one would do such an insidious thing in support of another Democratic candidate is beyond the pale. One might as well be working with Karl Rove.

This is a disgusting OP! Absolutely disgusting. Please self-delete this abomination.

[catnhatnh]

44. Call me back

When he claims he was named after the ACTUAL Sandman and he's been fired on by an Albanian brigade...

[longship]

46. Yes, and Hillary really, really won the New Hampshire primary.

And the Iowa caucus was no near a tie, Hillary clearly won that, too.

No! Really! I mean really!!!!

Sheesh!

[0rganism]

48. not necessarily a lie, could have been a mistake

"lie" implies, to me anyway, intent to deceive. i don't think that's been established yet.

[stevenleser]

49. By itself not a big deal. With all of his other lies and the underhanded tactics of him and his

campaign? And not leveling with his supporters about how unlikely he is to get any of his agenda passed?

It's more than a pattern. It's an established mode of behavior.

[think]

52. You're really grasping at straws...

[Matt_in_STL]

55. Holy shit

Did you actually type that without laughing and pissing yourself? You support the Queen Liar herself. I'm surprised she didn't rush into her speech last night trying to tell everyone she had just flown in through sniper fire. Deflection is not a good look on you.

[stevenleser]

57. Attacking Hillary won't make Bernie more truthful. nt

[NiteOwl1]

54. Get rid of four GOP candidates !!!

Just tell the right wing base the four who believe in climate change and they'll be history.

What a great way to thin the field.

[PowerToThePeople]

56. OMFG!

You believe what these Republican's said was honest.

[Logical]

58. You seriously are desperate. nt

[Jarqui]

59. My look at this finds Politifact's analysis is FALSE

"Do you think there's a reason why not one Republican has the guts to recognize that climate change is real, and that we need to transform our energy system?" Bernie

Politifact "Bush's website, for example, calls for the repeal or reform of the Carbon Rule, which is President Barack Obama's executive order requiring coal-fired power plants to dramatically reduce their carbon dioxide emissions by 2030."

Here's the link for Bush's plan
https://jeb2016.com/policy-regulatory-reform/?lang=en

Last we will repeal or reform the most onerous Obama rules and regulations. That starts with:

Dodd-Frank
Waters of the United States Rule
The Carbon Rule
The Coal Ash Rule
Net Neutrality
Together, we will role back the surging tide of regulations that have overtaken us the last 6 and a half years.

Bush's plan is to remove regulation that addresses climate change to make it worse!!

Politifact "Rubio wants to get rid of some anti-pollution rules and use the free market, not government regulation, to encourage "environmental conservation, fuel efficiency and energy diversity."

Rubio's plan
https://marcorubio.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/POWERING-THE-NEW-AMERICAN-CENTURY-FINAL-1.pdf

Like Bush's plan, Rubio wants to deregulate, get rid of fracking rule, increase offshore drilling, approve Keystone pipeline, lift ban on crude exports, approve natural gas exports, have the US congress approve international climate regulations (= get rid of them - we all know that), stop Obama's carbon mandates, etc

Need I say more. Politifact feels that a planned solution for climate change.

Politifact "Others say little if anything on the issue. "

So Bernie's conditions were that no Republican has:
1. "recognize that climate change is real"
(which Bush did in Jul 2015 after MotherJones nailed him)
2. "and that we need to transform our energy system" (to reduce the climate change problem implied)

On two, Bush & Rubio, propose what Politifact construes as "plans" maybe pretending to address climate change but in fact, they make things worse for climate change. So they do not "recognize the need to transform our energy system"

Therefore, I rule Politifact's analysis as FALSE What Bernie said is TRUE.

[Jenny_92808]

60. +1

[Politicalboi]

61. I believe he was talking about

The 7 assholes who are still in the race on the GOP side.

[John Poet]

62. It's no "crime" to LIE about Republicans-- it's a RECOMMENDATION!

They do it to us often enough, after all.


BUT-- if any of those candidates believes in climate change,
then it's news to me as well as Bernie.


Getting pretty pathetic in our "gotcha" attempts here, aren't we?

[Motown_Johnny]

65. Good, lets have that fight.

You don't seem to understand that he was making the connection between politicians taking money and their policy positions.

Okay, so 2 of the remaining (R) candidates have said it is man made (the other 2 in that article dropped out today) but that isn't the point.

"Not one" is an overstatement. I will agree with that.


It is still a home run as far as lines go. He is forcing climate change to the forefront along with the impact of big money donations. He may even get the (R)s fighting among themselves.

Lets have that fight. Simply arguing about it benefits Bernie no matter how things shake out.

[Hissyspit]

66. LOL

Not desperate, are we?