A study in vindictiveness: If Bernie loses, his backers maynot be there 4 Hillary in November

[Bill USA]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-sanders-20160206-story.html

But Sanders voters are a unique lot, and Clinton campaign strategists are growing concerned about whether they will be there for her should she be the Democratic pick.

This is not a group that is particularly loyal to the Democratic Party. While liberal Democrats make up a big chunk of Sanders’ support, many other backers are independents. Some mistrust the party so much that Sanders supporters booed the party chair when she took the stage Friday night at a dinner at which the candidates spoke.

Zanecchia’s second choice for president is Donald Trump.

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[font size="4"]Childish vindictiveness

But, given the astonishing childishness displayed by the Bernie supporters on this site, not surprising.[/font]

[daleanime]

1. The customer is always.....

wrong?

[cali]

2. Uh, more like stupid trashing of his supporters by Clinton

[jillan]

3. I have one word. Pumas.

[Odin2005]

4. Business 101, don't blame the customer for not buying your shitty product.

We Millennials ain't buying the shit the Establishment is selling.

[Voice for Peace]

36. That's a keeper

[Bjornsdotter]

5. Let's review

Independent--

a person who votes for candidates, measures, etc., in accordance with his or her own judgment and without regard to the endorsement of, or the positions taken by, any party.

[Bill USA]

19. "and without regard to "....sadly... the policy positions and effectiveness of the candidates

[libdem4life]

25. Good lord...this is reaching Way out in Left Field. Ignorant voters...to be sure.

They just should stay home until they are deemed qualified to make an opinion. Fail.

[Bjornsdotter]

26. It's all about the policies

.....just not Hillary's for many of them.

Everyone is entitled to vote they way they choose.

[Voice for Peace]

41. You look at independents and see ignorant suckers

and your perspective is valid from where you sit.

Likewise, others have valid pov's of their own.

Many people describe another's pov, and call it their own. It's usually not.
Few think for themselves, or challenge their own beliefs.

Many see Clintons as part of this nation's problem. They (and I) are ignorant of your particular pov.
We just don't see what you see in her.

As for me I see an honest man whose adversary is not the dnc, nor hilary, nor the republicans, but Corruption itself. I can not in good conscience vote for a dishonest person.

Corruption permeates Hilary's campaign.You don't see it. not your fault.

[beam me up scottie]

6. Then maybe her surrogates and supporters should stop insulting them?

Just a suggestion.

[CharlotteVale]

15. Such a simple concept, yet they just can't seem to grasp it.

[Schema Thing]

7. And if Hillary wins, and Kasich wins, Independents may very likely swing to Kasich

Dems for Bernie would certainly vote for Hillary for the most part.

[BlueJazz]

8. I'd be there but I suspect the young crowd might stay home.

[anotherproletariat]

9. They say that every four years...

but most people come around to support their basic beliefs.

[Depaysement]

10. So ask for and earn the vote

Oh, wait . . . There's no 225k paycheck for that . . .

[PonyUp]

11. Looks like from the responses your post didn't turn out the way you hoped. n/t

[farleftlib]

17. Very bad form

It's not ruining my party tho..

[bunnies]

12. Many wont be there.

Obviously you dont get their motive for voting. The Clintons EMBODY the establishment. Deal with it.

[Motown_Johnny]

13. PUMAs

'nuff said.

[bowens43]

16. If she manages to get the nomination she will not get my vote, has nothing to do with Bernie

I don't think she is morally, ethically or intellectually fit to be President of the US.
Bottom line there is a significant number of Democrats who feel that voting for hillary is no different then voting for trump.

[Arazi]

18. What part of "many other backers are independents" did you miss?

Independents don't owe any party their loyalty. HRC is alienating them right and left!

t, many other backers are independents. Some mistrust the party so much that Sanders supporters booed the party chair when she took the stage Friday night at a dinner at which the candidates spoke.

Do you really think calling them vindictive and childish before ANYTHING has happened yet, will woo them to her?

[Logical]

20. I won't be there for Hillary but will be there to vote AGAINST the GOP. Hillary is terrible. nt

[Iggy Knorr]

21. It's raining neoliberal tears

hallelujah

[onecaliberal]

22. The lovely thought expressed at the end of this post is a huge part of the reason.

The people who back Bernie are doing so because he is NOTHING like her. He is honest.

[VulgarPoet]

23. "It doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between chicken shit, and chicken salad."

And my friend, Hillary is trying to sell us shit dressed up like Caesar.

[Lorien]

24. Vindictiveness? Does someone really have their head that deeply in the sand??

No, as we keep saying: IT"S ABOUT THE ISSUES! Hillary has done it to herself bt behaving like a right wing authoritarian on such issues as:

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Pro arctic drilling
Pro for Profit Prisons
Pro Monsanto
Bankruptcy bill
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Using her position as SoS to push fracking on the rest of the world
Wall Street donations
Six digit speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Voted to raise credit card interest rates
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
No medical Marijuana
Supports mandatory sentencing
Says that she's "proud of" the way Walmart does business
Libya
Yemen
Syria
Egypt
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
Free trade - Oman agreement
Voted FOR Gitmo. --- Hillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guatanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo.
Pro death penalty
Pro cluster bombing
and so much more!!

Does anyone really think that Bernie's campaign is about a cranky old Brooklyn born Jew? He's honest, he's consistent, he unites people to get good things done, and he's on the correct side of the issues. The problems with Hillary are too numerous to count (and none of them are in any way gender based). I honestly don't believe that she could ever win a general election because of them. Bottom line: it's the DNC's duty to back a left of center candidate to represent us. It's not the voter's duty to change their positions of the issues and bend to the will of the DNC just to elect someone who is "less awful" than the opposition.



Hillary wants to attack Iran: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

Bernie has a MUCH better record of accomplishments as Senator than Hillary does: https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/fact-bernie-sanders-got-more-done-in-the-senate-than-hillary-clinton/

Hillary pushed Fracking on the rest of the planet: http://www.motherjones.com/.../hillary-clinton-fracking...

Hillary and childhood poverty: http://www.salon.com/.../the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton.../

What Hillary calls "feminism" : https://www.jacobinmag.com/.../hillary-clinton-womens.../

Hillary open to raising the retirement age and reducing SS benefits: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-indicates-she-is-open-to-raising-the-retirement-age.html

How women workers faired at Walmart when Hillary was on it's board:

Hillary takes millions in campaign cash from her "enemies": http://www.usnews.com/.../hillary-takes-millions-in...

Economy would boom under Sanders: http://money.cnn.com/.../news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/

Bernie vows to stop the toxic TPP (which Hillary praised as "the gold standard of trade deals): http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/05/sanders-stop-tpp-deal/

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/.../33869-hillary-clinton-s...

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans: http://trofire.com/.../noam-chomsky-dems-are-now.../

The political compass: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Bernie rejects big fundraising events: http://www.bloomberg.com/.../bernie-sanders-hates-money...

Elizabeth Warren on Hillary Clinton: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/986305904741661/

[libdem4life]

28. That is a well researched post. I'm impressed...a good tally of reasons I'm for Bernie...

and I didn't know half of that. Good research...thanks.

[Lorien]

40. Feel free to share and add to it!

I know I've forgotten a few links, and I picked up much of the first list here on DU (modified to add some issues that mattered to me).

[questionseverything]

30. xcellant post

you should make it an op

[CaliforniaPeggy]

35. This is absolutely right! You have put your finger right on the issues that matter.

This post of yours should be a stand-alone post.

It's that good.

[DesertFlower]

27. any dem who cares about the party will

vote for the nominee.

[libdem4life]

34. Then it might serve the more corporate candidate to learn some humility...or at least

some respect. She's going for neither...and PUMA isn't going to work this time any better than last. She's playing a dangerous game, IMO. And to make it worse, it's a rerun.

Truth is, I don't think she cares who wins if it's not her. That should make her supporters take notice.

[Fearless]

29. My dear. Bernie is WINNING.

[Android3.14]

31. I registered today as a Democrat

I used to be independent and always voted the Democratic candidate, but I chose an affiliation just so I can caucus for Sanders.

I'll vote for the D candidate in the general election, but I know of only a few Sanders supporters who are willing to say the same with me.

You would think they'd realize that "I'm not Republican" sucks on a bumper sticker.

Hillary needs to figure out a way of bowing out gracefully before she screws up the country.

[Voice for Peace]

32. No Bill

You're projecting.
This is America.
Must we vote against our own values?
Must we think and believe as others do?

[ornotna]

33. A study in vindictiveness:

Hillary loses a primary, supporters on DU go batshit crazy.



They're coming fast and hard now.

[farleftlib]

38. Well trying to rain on Bernie's parade tonight

just isn't working.

NH felt the Bern BIG TIME!

Congrats Bernie Sanders and his amazing supporters!

[Politicalboi]

37. Why don't you go fund yourself

Sore loser indeed. Wounds take time to heal. And the more you idiots open the scab you risk this very outcome.

[Logical]

39. And your post was not childish? LOL, not a deep thinker I guess. nt