Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:09 PM

kennetha (3,666 posts)

Sanders is attempting a nothing less than a hostile takeover of Democratic Party

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The Socialist Democrats. USA would be Sanders natural home, but they don't run presidential candidates anymore.

So Sanders, despite hating on the democrats for years, as just one of the two parties of the ruling class

(see: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/sanderss-party-problem/460293/)

decides to run for president as a democrat.

Why?

Well, it's clear, the Democratic Party has a lot of intact national political infrastructure. If you could seize that infrastructure, and turn it into a militantly leftist party, you'd have your socialist party.

It's a long shot, to be sure, but that's clearly what Sanders is up to. He's trying take the Democratic Party and remake it in his own socialist image. Pretty daring move. He's gotten farther than you might have thought he would at first. But it's pretty clear that the powers that be within the democratic party don't want to see the party become an outright socialist party. Otherwise, they would have become that long ago. I bet they believe such a party is not likely to be a majority party anytime soon.

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Sanders is attempting a nothing less than a hostile takeover of Democratic Party (Original post)	kennetha	Feb 2016	OP
Militantly leftist, huh?	HerbChestnut	Feb 2016	#1
It's pretty hard to tell the difference between the Hillarians and ditto heads.	HooptieWagon	Feb 2016	#8
That it is. nt	LWolf	Feb 2016	#48
Thanks, KennethA. The Atlantic article is an important	Hortensis	Feb 2016	#116
?	LWolf	Feb 2016	#132
+1	Go Vols	Feb 2016	#159
Bingo.	wilsonbooks	Feb 2016	#190
It's a marvel what gets projected onto an honest man.	Voice for Peace	Feb 2016	#137
Dirty Commies. I hate 'em. I hate those damn hippies too.	Armstead	Feb 2016	#141
you sound like a BS promoter.....lol! did you notice the magazine the article is from The Atlantic	Bill USA	Feb 2016	#99
Sadly true of a number of her supporters	cali	Feb 2016	#101
'militantly' isn't a bad word in this context.	kennetha	Feb 2016	#10
Oh, I'm sure that's just the image the author was trying to conjure. n/t	HerbChestnut	Feb 2016	#14
And hostile is meant...	daleanime	Feb 2016	#18
First, congratulations for waking up from that 50-year-long coma.	jeff47	Feb 2016	#2
you confuse red-baiting	kennetha	Feb 2016	#3
Analysis....from 1963. (nt)	jeff47	Feb 2016	#7
don't see why you'd say that.	kennetha	Feb 2016	#17
No it's not very hostile.	retrowire	Feb 2016	#32
Thanks for that.	bvf	Feb 2016	#142
Show me on the doll where the big evil socialists took your money (nt)	jeff47	Feb 2016	#34
this needs millions of recommends	Kalidurga	Feb 2016	#172
LOL!	Odin2005	Feb 2016	#179
Actually, he's trying to return the Democratic Party back to FDR and Truman era economics, but	Fawke Em	Feb 2016	#35
Absolutely, Plus the little talked about (Sarcasm thingie)	Mbrow	Feb 2016	#79
You are correct: more like a shareholders' revolt ...	earthside	Feb 2016	#138
And YOU confuse a Clinton hack with someone	cali	Feb 2016	#109
Exactly what we need. The party is a farce. Time to tear down and rebuild.	bowens43	Feb 2016	#4
Lots on the left agree	kennetha	Feb 2016	#21
I agree ...	1StrongBlackMan	Feb 2016	#28
Exactly.	tecelote	Feb 2016	#25
its a takeback, not a takeover. and its hardly hostile	elehhhhna	Feb 2016	#31
^^^Truth! nt	artislife	Feb 2016	#130
What is this, 1950?	pangaia	Feb 2016	#5
Look! Over there! It's a brand new 1956 Chevy Bel-air convertible!	hedda_foil	Feb 2016	#131
OMG ! How did you know?	pangaia	Feb 2016	#152
SOme of my neighbors has a 56 mustang convertible ... light blue and white and perfect.	hedda_foil	Feb 2016	#202
I'm seriously jealous.	pangaia	Feb 2016	#204
Ooh... I remember the Sunbeam. One of the cutest cars ever.	hedda_foil	Feb 2016	#214
CUTE !!!!!!!!!! Wadda ya mean...... CUTE?	pangaia	Feb 2016	#215
Very cute, very zippy. Here's a '66 Tiger.	hedda_foil	Feb 2016	#216
Nice. Mine was "british' green..	pangaia	Feb 2016	#217
Oh that is an awesome car, my favorite.	Kalidurga	Feb 2016	#176
IT'S A COUP!	cherokeeprogressive	Feb 2016	#6
A chicken coup!	HooptieWagon	Feb 2016	#13
NO COUP FOR YOU!	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2016	#47
Channelling the Coup Nazi:	HooptieWagon	Feb 2016	#50
Hillary knows all about coups!	Odin2005	Feb 2016	#182
Only misogynistic bernierbos oppose corporate-friendly chicanery in poor third world countries.	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2016	#205
Someone's gonna cry fowl if'n you keep it up.	cherokeeprogressive	Feb 2016	#65
Or cry for a fowl	Art_from_Ark	Feb 2016	#120
Birds of a feather. Nt	JudyM	Feb 2016	#169
It's a COUPE!!!	warrprayer	Feb 2016	#55
Uh huh. Now you're just Red Baitin'. Didn't think I'd notice the color?	cherokeeprogressive	Feb 2016	#71
A Mercury Meteor	warrprayer	Feb 2016	#87
I want that car so bad, and I don't even drive!	Odin2005	Feb 2016	#184
I saw one last week	warrprayer	Feb 2016	#206
Nah, just taking it back from the Third Way takeover in the 1990s.	AtomicKitten	Feb 2016	#9
Not so much a 'hostile takeover'....	Databuser	Feb 2016	#11
trying to describe it in value neutral terms	kennetha	Feb 2016	#20
Fantastic description.	artislife	Feb 2016	#133
Derp derp derpa derp	kath	Feb 2016	#12
Muffins!	TheBlackAdder	Feb 2016	#27
Aww. Derpy's always so sweet and adorable.	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#90
AWESOME!!	kcdoug1	Feb 2016	#15
This message was self-deleted by its author	CobaltBlue	Feb 2016	#44
Speak it!	farleftlib	Feb 2016	#129
or, my fave version of that expression - "don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya"	kath	Feb 2016	#191
Nah, it's more like a friendly takeover. nt	thereismore	Feb 2016	#16
hostile,	kennetha	Feb 2016	#19
nope...	retrowire	Feb 2016	#37
lol, another day, another hysterical, raving mad thread from you!	closeupready	Feb 2016	#22
Do you know how to actually argue?	kennetha	Feb 2016	#26
ITP, the OP admits they are seeking an argument.	retrowire	Feb 2016	#39
Ay-ya-yah	kennetha	Feb 2016	#46
Rather see peaceful revolution...	TTUBatfan2008	Feb 2016	#23
It's a rescue mission, Ken.	Wilms	Feb 2016	#24
^^^ THIS.	RiverLover	Feb 2016	#66
Sanders political values are those of mainstreet America in the early 1900's.	Gregorian	Feb 2016	#29
ROFL	longship	Feb 2016	#30
This OP is bs.	grntuscarora	Feb 2016	#33
Where are you disagreeing with me?	kennetha	Feb 2016	#41
Wresting control from an elite group that stole the Party	grntuscarora	Feb 2016	#51
You bet it's justice. Long overdue.	840high	Feb 2016	#211
Good.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Feb 2016	#36
Occupy the Democratic Party. Yeah, pretty much.	yodermon	Feb 2016	#38
What the fuck? This is a stretch too far. Way too far. n/t	Avalux	Feb 2016	#40
If anything, Bernie is dragging the Democratic party back to its roots.	Vinca	Feb 2016	#42
Sanders never supported the democratic party	kennetha	Feb 2016	#49
I guess you would have preferred a third party run which would have guaranteed a Democratic loss.	Vinca	Feb 2016	#78
This is the problem of not thinking long term	artislife	Feb 2016	#135
You have it backwards.	guillaumeb	Feb 2016	#43
Before Bill Clinton	kennetha	Feb 2016	#54
Jackson also ran as a Democrat because the Democratic Party is the more progressive	guillaumeb	Feb 2016	#70
This^	HooptieWagon	Feb 2016	#61
I know. Poor Guy.	bravenak	Feb 2016	#45
Corporatists hijacked the Party.	Broward	Feb 2016	#52
Maybe	kennetha	Feb 2016	#56
Which is exactly why people love him	TTUBatfan2008	Feb 2016	#112
The Reagan enablers need to go as well	Mnpaul	Feb 2016	#199
Since the Democratic Party has been taken over by the Third Way DINOs - good!	djean111	Feb 2016	#53
Long before the Third Way	kennetha	Feb 2016	#58
Very prescient of him.	djean111	Feb 2016	#76
You are damn right he is.	Android3.14	Feb 2016	#57
This is just about	kennetha	Feb 2016	#63
That's a naive or ingenuous wondering...they liked it when he voted with them, and caucused with	libdem4life	Feb 2016	#91
I thought the DLC's "bloodless coup" was a hostile takeover.	LWolf	Feb 2016	#59
Yep, the minority the DLC represented in its HOSTILE takeover of OUR party...	cascadiance	Feb 2016	#69
Not arguing who is right and who is wrong	kennetha	Feb 2016	#73
But the target isn't "the Democratic Party", but the hostile leadership in charge of it now...	cascadiance	Feb 2016	#74
That is certainly Sanders bet	kennetha	Feb 2016	#82
Students in Iowa City, where about half of them are from out of state, where overwhelmingly Sanders	cascadiance	Feb 2016	#89
The DLC and the Clintons took over the Party several decades ago.	stillwaiting	Feb 2016	#60
Perhaps they would be more intertested in your BS over on the Freepers side	INdemo	Feb 2016	#62
You're being incoherent	kennetha	Feb 2016	#68
You havent had time to do the research I asked you to	INdemo	Feb 2016	#119
Nah, no interest in talking to you.	kennetha	Feb 2016	#121
That is the way you Hillary supporters are..When you are challenged	INdemo	Feb 2016	#136
I went all the way from California to Washington DC	kennetha	Feb 2016	#140
But your OP appered as something written by a Freeper though	INdemo	Feb 2016	#207
That's cause you think anything not part of your Sanders echo chamber	kennetha	Feb 2016	#208
Whatever	INdemo	Feb 2016	#213
I understood INdem's post just fine.	Aerows	Feb 2016	#218
Kennetha, did you get lost in your migration between Red State and Freep? You poor, lost birdie.	leveymg	Feb 2016	#64
Or hillarysupporters.com and jackassradicals.com.	demmiblue	Feb 2016	#83
Somehow, the screaming eagle on Colbert's old show comes to mind. More Farce than fierce. ;-)	leveymg	Feb 2016	#111
Actually he is taking it back from the Turd Way crowd that.....	yourout	Feb 2016	#67
Oh boo! We are the party of FDR and don't you forget it	Matariki	Feb 2016	#72
you could, but that would be a stretch	kennetha	Feb 2016	#75
You don't know your history, clearly.	Matariki	Feb 2016	#80
You don't think the depression and the War	kennetha	Feb 2016	#85
What does this have to do with the premise of your OP	Matariki	Feb 2016	#110
The democratic party has no fixed nature.	kennetha	Feb 2016	#115
If "the democratic party has no fixed nature" how can your OP be remotely tenable?	Matariki	Feb 2016	#118
Cause Bernie is an outsider	kennetha	Feb 2016	#124
LOL	Matariki	Feb 2016	#188
There aren't enough LOLs	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#77
You betcha!	warrprayer	Feb 2016	#81
Oh, please, give me a break.	Blue_In_AK	Feb 2016	#84
Sanders doesn't even call himself a democrat.	kennetha	Feb 2016	#92
It was more then when FDR spoke publicly AGAINST the economic royalists heavily...	cascadiance	Feb 2016	#96
I've been alive for a long time,	Blue_In_AK	Feb 2016	#114
I consider myself a Democratic Socialist and a quasi-Marxist.	Odin2005	Feb 2016	#189
Hell yeah! Burn it down!	morningfog	Feb 2016	#86
Holy crap... You are actually believing this? Where do I begin?	MrMickeysMom	Feb 2016	#88
Just taking it back from the Corporate Socialists, that's all.	Kip Humphrey	Feb 2016	#93
Can't see how	kennetha	Feb 2016	#123
It was taken over in the '80's.	mmonk	Feb 2016	#94
Jaysus. The amount of far right wing rhetoric from Clinton	cali	Feb 2016	#95
Paul Starr is another Clinton Fla k. Hilly is deploying her lying toadies.	cali	Feb 2016	#98
There was already a hostile takeover: By the Third Way, neo-liberals	emsimon33	Feb 2016	#97
It only feels hostile to Third Wayers and neocons	CoffeeCat	Feb 2016	#100
More like a hostage rescue mission if you ask me.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2016	#102
You say that as if it were a bad thing.	seaotter	Feb 2016	#103
just a thing	kennetha	Feb 2016	#106
Think of it as a friendly clawback.	99Forever	Feb 2016	#104
I do not see guillotines at his rallys.	PowerToThePeople	Feb 2016	#105
Wrong Wrong Wrong First off Bernie Sanders says he is a Democratic Socialist...	fourcents	Feb 2016	#107
Cue Twilight Zone theme song.	CharlotteVale	Feb 2016	#108
Do we need hearings?	MuseRider	Feb 2016	#113
Bernie's feelings about the DP are nothing secret	Mufaddal	Feb 2016	#117
Well, I do think it's rather obvious	kennetha	Feb 2016	#122
The thing I can't figure out is...	hootinholler	Feb 2016	#125
Hardly - The Hostility Is That Shown By The Establishment - DNC, DLC, Third-Way - And Their Cronies	cantbeserious	Feb 2016	#126
Is it the word 'hostile' that you are objecting to?	kennetha	Feb 2016	#127
Not Objecting - Refocusing	cantbeserious	Feb 2016	#128
You seem absurdly focused on the definition of "hostile".	grntuscarora	Feb 2016	#134
But Sanders can't "reclaim"	kennetha	Feb 2016	#145
The ideals and aspirations that were traditionally held by the Dem Party	grntuscarora	Feb 2016	#194
My, my,my...The hyperbolie and Red Baiting continues	Armstead	Feb 2016	#139
Red Baiting?	kennetha	Feb 2016	#146
Man the gates. The Militant Socialists are trying to Destroy the Democratic Party	Armstead	Feb 2016	#153
Bernie is a life-long Socialist	kennetha	Feb 2016	#157
Because people like you use the GOP memes to distort what it means	Armstead	Feb 2016	#162
He's a democratic socialist of European style.. not a communist or a stalinist.	kennetha	Feb 2016	#165
There is plenty of fodder for intelligent discussion about the nuances but....	Armstead	Feb 2016	#167
"hostile" just means "from the outside" here	kennetha	Feb 2016	#171
You can't walk it back	Armstead	Feb 2016	#180
We want it all and we want it now	Oilwellian	Feb 2016	#143
What do we want? EVERYTHING! When do we want it? RIGHT FUCKING MEOW!	frylock	Feb 2016	#183
more like recover a party that has lost its soul,	restorefreedom	Feb 2016	#144
That exactly what Bernie	workinclasszero	Feb 2016	#147
Everything he said about the party was true.	Odin2005	Feb 2016	#192
No small cadre of reddit trolls	workinclasszero	Feb 2016	#196
It's all around you, you're just not paying attention.	Odin2005	Feb 2016	#197
John Lewis	workinclasszero	Feb 2016	#200
Unlike Nader, Sanders is running against the Left's other major candidate	Bad Thoughts	Feb 2016	#148
Well, you have to ask	kennetha	Feb 2016	#150
No, I think he represents a strand of Democratic politics that has existed since the 60s	Bad Thoughts	Feb 2016	#156
But he's never been willing to identify himself as a strand of democrats.	kennetha	Feb 2016	#161
Run 3rd party, get chastised as a spoiler. Run in the Dem primary, get called an intruder.	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#149
He could have joined the party 30 years ago	workinclasszero	Feb 2016	#158
"ivory tower"	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#163
Yes Bernie stayed independent so	workinclasszero	Feb 2016	#170
He never would have survived in the Democratic Party.	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#181
Bernie is the best! The 'party' has shown itself for all to see this time around.	ViseGrip	Feb 2016	#151
A "hostile takeover" backed by most Dems under the age of 50.	Odin2005	Feb 2016	#154
And more of them	stage left	Feb 2016	#193
Yes. Yes he is. It's way overdue.	dchill	Feb 2016	#155
If this is a party coup	JackInGreen	Feb 2016	#160
Yes, that's precisely what he's attempting to do.	Beacool	Feb 2016	#164
Telling that the Sanders Supporters	kennetha	Feb 2016	#168
Sanders has always taken pride in being an Independent.	Beacool	Feb 2016	#174
I don't think it's just expediency	kennetha	Feb 2016	#175
Yes, but by the same token that I don't think that Trump will be the Republican nominee,	Beacool	Feb 2016	#212
And Bernie backers say Hillary can't win in the general?	workinclasszero	Feb 2016	#195
Yep, the ads just write themselves.	Beacool	Feb 2016	#210
The Democratic Party is whatever the Democratic Primary voters say it is	gollygee	Feb 2016	#166
A chilling vision of things to come	Wig Master	Feb 2016	#173
I'm not hostile to his efforts. It's way overdue to make the party leftist rather than	Tierra_y_Libertad	Feb 2016	#177
here.	Perogie	Feb 2016	#178
I look at it as more of a search and recovery mission.	frylock	Feb 2016	#185
Bernie is coming in from the outside to rescue the Democratic Party from the Wall St. Devils.	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#186
Good	Kalidurga	Feb 2016	#187
You mean, like the DLC did back in the late 80s, 90s?	JackRiddler	Feb 2016	#198
The thing about the Democratic Party is that , if it has a future, it rests with those	wilsonbooks	Feb 2016	#201
The commies are coming!!!11!1!11!!!	Doctor_J	Feb 2016	#203
THe Party was sold, out from under us, to the Koch Bros	Ferd Berfel	Feb 2016	#209
No such thing as a "hostile takeover" of a party.	reflection	Mar 2016	#219
Sanders is not a Democrat.	kennetha	Mar 2016	#220

Response to kennetha (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:11 PM

HerbChestnut (3,649 posts)

1. Militantly leftist, huh?

You been listening to Rush Limbaugh lately?

Sanders is attempting a nothing less than a hostile takeover of Democratic Party

1. Militantly leftist, huh?

8. It's pretty hard to tell the difference between the Hillarians and ditto heads.

48. That it is. nt

116. Thanks, KennethA. The Atlantic article is an important

132. ?

159. +1

190. Bingo.

137. It's a marvel what gets projected onto an honest man.

141. Dirty Commies. I hate 'em. I hate those damn hippies too.

99. you sound like a BS promoter.....lol! did you notice the magazine the article is from The Atlantic

101. Sadly true of a number of her supporters

10. 'militantly' isn't a bad word in this context.

14. Oh, I'm sure that's just the image the author was trying to conjure. n/t

18. And hostile is meant...

2. First, congratulations for waking up from that 50-year-long coma.

3. you confuse red-baiting

7. Analysis....from 1963. (nt)

17. don't see why you'd say that.

32. No it's not very hostile.

142. Thanks for that.

34. Show me on the doll where the big evil socialists took your money (nt)

172. this needs millions of recommends

179. LOL!

35. Actually, he's trying to return the Democratic Party back to FDR and Truman era economics, but

79. Absolutely, Plus the little talked about (Sarcasm thingie)

138. You are correct: more like a shareholders' revolt ...

109. And YOU confuse a Clinton hack with someone

4. Exactly what we need. The party is a farce. Time to tear down and rebuild.

21. Lots on the left agree

28. I agree ...

25. Exactly.

31. its a takeback, not a takeover. and its hardly hostile

130. ^^^Truth! nt

5. What is this, 1950?

131. Look! Over there! It's a brand new 1956 Chevy Bel-air convertible!

152. OMG ! How did you know?

202. SOme of my neighbors has a 56 mustang convertible ... light blue and white and perfect.

204. I'm seriously jealous.

214. Ooh... I remember the Sunbeam. One of the cutest cars ever.

215. CUTE !!!!!!!!!! Wadda ya mean...... CUTE?

216. Very cute, very zippy. Here's a '66 Tiger.

217. Nice. Mine was "british' green..

176. Oh that is an awesome car, my favorite.

6. IT'S A COUP!

13. A chicken coup!

47. NO COUP FOR YOU!

50. Channelling the Coup Nazi:

182. Hillary knows all about coups!

205. Only misogynistic bernierbos oppose corporate-friendly chicanery in poor third world countries.

65. Someone's gonna cry fowl if'n you keep it up.

120. Or cry for a fowl

169. Birds of a feather. Nt

55. It's a COUPE!!!

71. Uh huh. Now you're just Red Baitin'. Didn't think I'd notice the color?

87. A Mercury Meteor

184. I want that car so bad, and I don't even drive!

206. I saw one last week

9. Nah, just taking it back from the Third Way takeover in the 1990s.

11. Not so much a 'hostile takeover'....

20. trying to describe it in value neutral terms

133. Fantastic description.

12. Derp derp derpa derp

27. Muffins!

90. Aww. Derpy's always so sweet and adorable.

15. AWESOME!!

129. Speak it!

191. or, my fave version of that expression - "don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya"

16. Nah, it's more like a friendly takeover. nt

19. hostile,

37. nope...

22. lol, another day, another hysterical, raving mad thread from you!

26. Do you know how to actually argue?

39. ITP, the OP admits they are seeking an argument.

46. Ay-ya-yah

23. Rather see peaceful revolution...

24. It's a rescue mission, Ken.

66. ^^^ THIS.

29. Sanders political values are those of mainstreet America in the early 1900's.

30. ROFL