This video compilation of HRC made my jaw drop. (warning, graphic war photos)

[grasswire]

Last edited Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:14 AM - Edit history (1)

The curtain is being pulled aside, and we the people must bear witness to the nature of the players on the stage.

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Yes, we can. Yes, we can.

[AzDar]

1. K & R

[senz]

3. Many of us knew the WMD and terrorism charges against Iraq were false.

Why didn't Hillary, who had a strong insider track on information?

[jfern]

13. She didn't bother to read the classified information

Too much work, even though the chair of the Senate Intelligence committee, Bob Graham, urged every Senator to read it. He voted against the Iraq war.

[senz]

15. Yeah but we didn't read the classified info either.

Hillary did vote with the majority.

[rhett o rick]

67. It wasn't important that she read it. She knew that a war in Iraq would greatly

benefit the MIC and her friends. They have reciprocated and made her super-wealthy. It's about greed.

[Nyan]

16. That's the problem with neocons

is that they're wrong about everything.

[arikara]

77. Well to be precise...

they're right for them, they're just wrong for the rest of the world.

[senz]

5. ...

Sorry, very tired tonight, meant the reply for the OP but will just leave it as is.

[Luminous Animal]

2. My 13 year old daughter knew this was a pack of lies and was willing to get arrested.

Millions upon millions around the world knew this was a pack of lies.

Bernie Sanders knew this was a pack of lies.

[rhett o rick]

68. Hillary Clinton knew it was a pack of lies but so what? The war was very profitable for the MIC

and her friends. Now she is super-wealthy herself. It was all about money, power and greed.

[hifiguy]

74. And THAT is what determined her vote.

Along with craven, gutless, weaselly political ass-covering of the most cowardly sort.

[Bonobo]

4. Her mirroring George Bush's words nearly verbatim is the part that sickened me the most.

It is haunting.

Because I know, we ALL should know by now, that she did not have any reason to believe those lies independent of what she was being fed.

Once again, we are forced to come to the conclusion that either,

A) She is a fatuous dunce, or

B) She was happy to sell the war at the behest of some group of forces that saw it as something desirable.

Desirable? In what way?

The answer to THAT question can be deduced by following the money which is clear in the clips about how Iraq is now a "business opportunity".

It is called "The Shock Doctrine".

[HooptieWagon]

8. And the shock doctrine...

...is the tactic used by neo-liberal/neo-cons to gain profits and force austerity on people and countries against their will. For all practical purposes, it's a new form of colonialism...extracting wealth and resources from a population by force.

[Hydra]

9. There's really only one way you can read that

They got their scripts from the same person.

[Cartoonist]

6. After viewing this video

I went to see DU's TOS to see if Hillary was in violation.

[beam me up scottie]

7. LOL!

[Jefferson23]

70. Priceless, truly.

[hifiguy]

72. The cackling laugh is both chilling and

profoundly vomit-inducing. She's a Kissinger pal, what else can you expect?

[NowSam]

10. War is hell. Strong video. Hard to watch.

I found it very difficult to watch this. War is hell and the consequences of these wars have, in my opinion, wreaked terrible havoc not only on those we waged war against but also on the very fabric of our own society at here at home.

I, for one, would like to choose the candidate least likely to commit us into more war.

[Hydra]

11. A terrifying reminder of what she is willing to do

To suit her ambitions.

[senz]

17. Yet she cares SO MUCH about the people of Flint.

[hifiguy]

75. The Clintons are what they have always been.

"To Advance Ourselves By Any Means Available" must be carved over the fireplace in at least one of their mansions.

[amborin]

92. they've been corrupt and narcissistic

[chknltl]

14. KnR nt

[Uncle Joe]

18. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, grasswire.

[Fearless]

19. That is what we are up against in the primary.

That is why we can't have her.

[grasswire]

20. warning about graphic photos added to OP

The jury was 0 hide, 7 leave, but one juror commented that a warning would be good, so I added it.

[kath]

22. Well, that's at least 4 Hillarians in the past 8 or 9 hours who have lost their alert privileges for

24 hrs for getting a 0-7 jury vote on an alert. Tragic!
(And that's just the ones we know about from when people on the jury posted results here.)

[HERVEPA]

52. And one annoying one who got his 5th and lost posting privileges.

On Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:23 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You forgot to answer about your fabricated quotes? Any new ones?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1170498

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This guy is badgering another DUer, claiming they "fabricate" things - in other words LIE - and that is against TOS from what I understand.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:36 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't be too sensitive. And remember the forum where you choose to post.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This poster (DanTex) is definitely acting as a corrosive element on DU now. If any quotations were "fabricated", they should be adduced. Since this poster could not/did not show that his statement is true - which would have been an adequate defense for such a statement - it should be hidden.

This poster should have a care whether DU's community can survive his kind of support for a candidate.

Both sides should take care not to destroy this community.

Facts and data should be presented and discussed. Opinions should be respectfully discussed.

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What the alerter says. He is *repeatedly* lobbing an unsubstantiated charge of lying against a fellow DUer, and with no evidence, the other guy has no way to defend himself. These accusations seem to be of the "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" variety.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I am sick unto death of this petty sniping between Democrats. Time outs for everyone!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[one_voice]

78. It would seem the odds are ever in

your favor.

Between DU being overwhelmingly Bernie supporters.

There's word for when people want absolutely zero resistance, zero questions, zero opposition. Google search. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Have a most splendid evening.

[HERVEPA]

80. One can post for ones candidate without being continually obnoxious and rude.

That poster could not.

[grasswire]

82. so did you alert on Scuba because he's been obnoxious and rude in the past?

Or because of the content of this latest post?

[HERVEPA]

89. I don't recall alerting on Scuba. He (or she) is not who I was discussing.

I am a Bernie guy by the way, if that's not clear.

[Logical]

84. He was annoying. Glad we get a short break from him. nt

[JTFrog]

55. I didn't alert, but the TOS does forbid posting or linking to graphic images to disgust and shock

people.

Just sayin..... the warning doesn't matter.

Do not post or link to extreme images of violence, gore, bodily functions, pain, or human suffering for no purpose other than to shock and disgust.

Not that the slanted jury bias hasn't been pointed out here before by the admin. But it's not the jurors who ban members for TOS violations.

[grasswire]

86. and you think the warning applies to this video?

"for no purpose other than to shock and disgust"?

Wow.

[JTFrog]

87. Yes.

Did you have another reason for posting it?

[grasswire]

88. I posted it because it reveals in Hillary's own words...

....her understanding of foreign policy.

[Duppers]

21. It was jaw-dropping for me too

As I posted in Uncle Joe's thread, I couldn't watch it all because it bothered me so much.

I did send it out, however, with a warning.

I've often felt sorry for Hillary for the abuse she's had to take from the rtwing, however I truly think Bernie has more courage and integrity than Hillary ever had.

Go Bernie!

[delrem]

23. She has the "presidential" tone down pat.

Clearly she's the most qualified person in history to seek the highest office in the USA.

She's totally electable and the Republicans have no ground to go after her on these credentials.
In fact Robert Kagan, Henry Kissinger, Victoria Nuland, and the whole neocon crew are begging at her feet.

Her foreign policy experience is second to none, except perhaps to Henry Kissinger. But Kissinger is finished while Hillary is still going strong, a newer wave, and I'm sure the people of the ME (especially) are waiting with bated breath for Hillary Clinton to be elected so they can gratefully receive the greatest gift that any person or country or even God can give to another. This can only be expressed in Hillary Clinton's own words:

HRC:
"And I believe that at the same time that we have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom. And it is up to them to decide how they will use that precious gift that has been paid for with the blood and sacrifice and treasure of the United States of America."

She is clearly second only to Jesus Christ, or maybe the Buddha.

[kath]

25. Oh, god, that quote is so utterly barf-inducing.

[delrem]

27. I couldn't have it on my conscience to support her in any way, in any form,

for any reason.

If the worst of all possible worlds happens and she is elected POTUS, I expect 8 years of non-stop entrenchment of ... everything that's evoked by that quotation.

Any "progressive" or "liberal" wing of the Democratic party will be finished. Structurally finished - of course, that's a no brainer. But also finished in a moral and ethical sense. Nobody, but nobody, will believe it - if Dems can't stand up now, when the shit is hitting the fan and it matters the most, then nobody will ever believe they have the power, the will, to stand up and be something other than window dressing in the foreseeable future.

It'll just be more insane chaotic war and war profiteering, while the rest of the world tries to adjust and cope with this tragedy.

[dgibby]

53. On a par

with Pat Buchanan's diatribe on why Blacks should be grateful for slavery because without it, they wouldn't have been introduced to Christianity.

I have never understood the belief that people we have harmed should be grateful.

[Ino]

34. This part of her speech was cut off in the OP's clip...

"It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity,
and the sacrifice that the Iraqi people have made for your freedom is one that we highly respect."

This is the mirror of the image she paints in your quote.

She sure is into blood sacrifices! Hillary is some kind of profit-driven ghoul.

[delrem]

35. Yes, I don't like her either.

I mean, how deep does the river of blood have to flow?

[cali]

47. What disgusting swill.

[delrem]

48. I only quoted Hillary Clinton. What is "disgusting swill" about my post?

[Oilwellian]

62. She's probably referring to Hillary's words

That's how I interpreted it.

[KingCharlemagne]

51. Who was more brave: the Vietnamese resistance to U.S. invasion and occupation or

the Iraqi resistance to U.S. invasion and occupation? Both defeated global super power, but the Vietnamese had the assistance of the USSR, while the Iraqis pretty much did it all on their own.

[kath]

24. could someone please post the jury results here - nice to see what the failed alerter said.

[chknltl]

30. kath, I am troubled to do this but:

My issue is that this is grasswire's OP, my posting this is off-topic and should be up to grasswire, not me. That said, something further troubles me about that alert: There were only 2 replies at the time the alert was sent when I opened it. Alerter must have been on this video almost as soon as it was posted. I find it interesting that alerter 'knew' that this was "doctored footage and a right wing smear job" literally less than 9 minutes after grasswire posted it.


On Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:14 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

This video compilation of HRC made my jaw drop.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511171009

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Doctored footage, right-wing smear job. I hate to see Democrats attacked with Republican tactics here on DU. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:24 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Actual footage. Her own words.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not today
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: She did say all those things. The consequences of her vote was shown in the Montage. She owns it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see anything wrong with it, it should probably have a warning for graphic footage though.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[kath]

39. Thanks.

Heading to bed now, but I will PM you and grasswire in the morning about why I think this video was alerted so quickly, and other things.

[snot]

26. Don't assume that will remain online for long. Pls CAPTURE IT; + host it where it can't be deleted.

[grasswire]

29. several people ought to do that.

I'm on a phone right now. Can't easily do it.

[Oilwellian]

63. I saved it to file

But it does need a website that will host it independent of YouTube or even Vimeo.

[zentrum]

28. Do It Now.

[bkkyosemite]

37. How do you do it?

[zentrum]

61. Hmmm

Do you mean how do you purchase valentine hearts?

There's a link in red against a yellow banner at the top of DU's site.

But I didn't put that link in my post! There's one in your post too.

I guess it's something DU automatically does every year if the poster's message text area is empty?

If this isn't what you were asking—I feel like an idiot!

[jalan48]

31. Are we to believe Bill Clinton was fooled by Bush Jr. as well?

Really? The former President who had been privy to all that "inside" information for years and who still had contacts inside the government. And are we also to believe he didn't pass on his thoughts to Hillary? Hillary made a calculated decision to support the Iraq War based on how it would benefit her future political aims.

[Ichingcarpenter]

40. Bill Clinton wrote editorials in British newspapers

Asking them to support Tony Blair's entry into the Iraq War........... think about that for a second.

Trust Tony's judgment

By Bill Clinton


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/mar/18/foreignpolicy.iraq3

[jalan48]

50. So the "I was fooled by Bush" argument is bogus.

[jillan]

32. There used to be email lists for msm anchors

Is there still? This needs to be sent out to every anchor on MSNBC and CNN. Because I do not want to hear them say how wonderful and experienced Hillary Clinton is on foreign-policy. I do not trust her judgment.

[bkkyosemite]

46. Needs to go viral

[grasswire]

57. I have private email addresses for several top talking heads...

...and I will be sending this clip to them today.

But it needs to go viral everywhere, and we can help with that.

I learned this morning that a DU member is on suspension for posting this video twice yesterday. Two hides for that member trying to get this video to our view.

[jillan]

58. If you want - message me and I will do the same.

Going to copy that video right now and keep it safe

[arikara]

79. msm was complicit in the whole thing too

They got rid of any reporters who tried to tell the truth or even be balanced on the buildup to the invasion.

[kath]

33. does anyone know who the interviewer is in the beginning part where she is laughing about the "hard

choices"?

[Ino]

38. Jeremy Paxman

full interview
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27826749

[kath]

41. Thanks very much!

No time to watch the full 20 minutes right now. Will do tomorrow. do you happen to know at what time in the video she laughs about her Iraq war vote?

[Ino]

42. No, I couldn't stomach listening to her that long (nt)

[kath]

43. Yeah, I really really don't want to do that either.

perhaps someone else knows. I briefly looked around for a transcript, but no luck so far.

Gah, she is odious.

[bkkyosemite]

36. How do you save it before it's taken down?

[Oilwellian]

64. You have to have a video download app to save it to your computer

I use Firefox and have used Video Download Helper to save videos.

If you use a different browser, just Google Video Download Helper and the name of your browser to find the correct version. Feel free to PM me if you need help.

[AtomicKitten]

44. Her parroting of Bush's lies is appalling.

k/r

[delrem]

49. They were both reading from the same playlist.

That's scary, that it goes so deep.

What is scarier is that it's said that she's destined to be the Democratic candidate for POTUS, very soon now.

[silenttigersong]

45. Hillary is part of Bushies base now

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[RiverLover]

54. She laughs, over & over, about "hard choices". We are crying over the wrong choices. /nt

[Arazi]

56. Kicked and Recced eom

[MauriceLawrence96]

59. The other important point worth considering is the time line here:

she is now dismissing her vote as no big deal: I said I made a mistake, let's stop making such a big deal about it - but let's look at WHEN she said that.

In this clip at 0:26 she is still very much excited about the Iraq invasion as a business opportunity. This is 2011!

It's not until 2014 when she's preparing for her presidential run that she finally says "oops, I made a mistake".

If one were cynical, they might suspect that it's because she got burned by Obama over her Iraq vote in 2008 and she's trying to neutralize the issue.

[grasswire]

60. good point and welcome to DU nt

[polly7]

65. She not only 'voted for it', she pushed for it.

Additionally, there was no credible evidence whatsoever that the secular Baathist Iraqi regime had any ties to the hardline Islamist group al-Qaeda, yet Clinton distinguished herself as the only Senate Democrat to make such a claim. Indeed, a definitive report by the Department of Defense noted that not only did no such link exist, but that none could have even been reasonably suggested based on the evidence available at that time.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/01/27/five-lamest-excuses-hillary-clintons-vote-invade-iraq

[rhett o rick]

69. It's criminal. In my opinion a war crime. How many lives were ruined while all the time some were

profiting? Now she wants to be president.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

66. Qualified to teach a course on Foreign Affairs

Disqualified from being Commander in Chief for being wrong about Iraq and Lybia.

[hifiguy]

71. Seriously, what else do you expect from someone who admires Henry Kissinger.

Henry the K was all for taking the Vietnam War into Cambodia. That gave the world the Khmer Rouge and 2.5 million dead Cambodians in the killing fields.

in addition to the millions of Vietnamese and countless Laotians, Argentinians, Chileans, Timorese. This list is far from all-inclusive.

And she's so PROUD and HAPPY to embrace the post-WW II era's most notorious butcher, who happens to be a WANTED WAR CRIMINAL in a number of countries.

That tells me every last thing I need to know about HRH.

In a world that truly cared about the rule of law, Kissinger would have been hanged for crimes against humanity 30 years ago and his ashes dumped in a river.

[Jefferson23]

73. We have to have more of this, why? n/t

[grasswire]

83. more of what? nt

[Jefferson23]

85. Sorry, I was not clear. We have to have more of Hillary Clinton's foreign policy?

[Mbrow]

76. k&R

[Logical]

81. Wow, just wow! nt

[Generic Other]

90. She certainly has a twisted sense of humor, doesn't she?

I can see why the HRC supporters don't want anyone to see this video. Thanks for risking a hide to show it.

[Arazi]

91. For those who missed it yesterday, this is really great! eom