2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMy brother who works on Wall Street supports Hillary Clinton.
We are a family of immigrants. My parents came to the United States in the 1970s (they met when they were taking English classes together). My mom's highest level of educational attainment was high school. My father was able to get some education at a community college.
Our family of five (parents, brother, me, and grandma) lived in a 1 bedroom apartment. My brother, mom and I would sleep on the bed, grandma would sleep in the living room, while my father would sleep on a mattress in the closet.
Eventually, my dad saved enough money through his dry cleaning business and was able to put down a down payment on a 3 bedroom house. My grandma past away after living in our house for about a year. While my parents worked, we couldn't afford a baby sitter, so our grandma would watch over us. Earlier in her life she had a stroke, so she couldn't really talk, but she did her best to take care of us. May she rest in peace.
My mom always told us that if you don't want to live a hard life like us then make sure to work hard in school. She told us to get good grades, so we could go to a good college and get a good paying job. To us, this was the American dream. My mom sacrificed a lot of her happiness, so she could see her children have the best chance to succeed.
My brother and I were fortunate enough to go to a good college. After taking on huge amount of loans, we finally did it. We finished college. My brother got a well paying job on Wall Street.
My brother works at Wall Street and supports Hillary Clinton. Does he support her because he feels she is more favorable to Wall Street? No. He heard Hillary Clinton say, "If you're willing to work hard and do your part, you ought to be able to get ahead and stay ahead."
When she said this, it really hit home. If you work hard you should be able to partake in the American Dream. Hillary Clinton believes in the goodness of people. Not only is she against bad things from happening, but she believes about good things happening again. Her vision resonates with immigrants and people of color.
So, when people ask why do so many PoC and immigrants support Hillary Clinton, we relate to her. Being successful shouldn't be look down upon. If you work hard then you ought to be able to get ahead.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)But she doesn't believe it.
And her record proves it.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Well, that's a relief.
Shall I tell you about all the highly successful business-people who are AGAINST Hillary Clinton, like Silicon Valley tech experts who are aghast at her incoherent calls for a "manhattan project" to break the encryption on the supposedly secure products they are trying to sell other businesses?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Pathetic!
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Here's Hillary's full quote "If you're willing to work hard and do your part, you ought to be able to get ahead and stay ahead. There are a lot of factors working against that right now, and I'm going to stand and fight against them."
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)She is helping them by throwing them off welfare and in to prison.
840high
(17,196 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Does that count as nothing?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)This gives me more confidence that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. Thank you .
jeff47
(26,549 posts)is fantastic for immigrants.
And the only Democratic candidate who can't manage to create a social justice platform that BLM thinks is sufficient is totally the best for PoC.
Just wait. You'll enjoy the surprise.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Oh wait should all the credit go to Bill Clinton? I see a theme from you. Just because Hillary Clinton is a woman doesn't mean she hasn't accomplished anything. She did a lot of work with the Children Defense Fund, too.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)But given her 'Can't Do' attitude, I'd say it is unlikely she ever will.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)My brother works at Wall Street and supports Hillary Clinton. Does he support her because he feels she is more favorable to Wall Street? No. He heard Hillary Clinton say, "If you're willing to work hard and do your part, you ought to be able to get ahead and stay ahead."
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Immigrant family. Work/Worked extremely hard. Thankfully I make salary that would be put in top 2-3%.
But my view is that the cleaner who cleans banks/financial institutions works just as hard as the banker who is making 300x her salary. In fact, they probably work harder and longer hours just to survive.
Most likely people like your brother will pay more taxes in Sanders administration. But if this means universal healthcare, tution free college, higher minimum wage, etc for the rest of the population its well worth it. I think a little empathy goes long way. I bet your parents worked extremely hard their salary was not the measure of their effort/dedication.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)She has a long history of helping children. My brother and I were lucky. I won't deny that. There are millions of children who aren't so fortunate. Immigrants would love any extra help they can get, especially when it comes to their children. To us, children are everything. They are our future and our world.
This is why Hillary talks so much about children, education, family leave, etc. A lot of her policy proposals are focused on the family, but specifically children. This is a big reason why immigrants and PoC support Hillary Clinton.
Just watch this video on Hillary Clinton's long commitment to helping children.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)How many children were helped on that one? How about the 500,000 Iraqi children that died in the 1990's as a result of Bill Clinton's sanctions? Madeleine Albright said it was "worth it."
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)30,000 people die from gun violence each year. Many of them children. If Hillary Clinton can be blamed for her Iraq War vote then surely Bernie Sanders can be blamed for his multiple of votes against gun control. Hell, Hillary Clinton has apologized. Has Bernie Sanders shown any remorse or given an apology?
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)But I will ask why do believe her apology when she turned around and advocated for more bombing in the likes of Libya and Syria?
Sanders has a problem on gun control and it makes him a flawed candidate, but the POTUS has far more control over foreign policy. The Clintons are in the same boat with Obama, both Bushes, Reagan, and on and on pushing the same old agenda of bombing brown people on the other side of the world.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)So, I don't see you blaming him for "bombing brown people on the other side of the world." Why are you holding Hillary Clinton to a higher standard when Bernie Sanders have voted for war, too?
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)So I'll hold him to that. He was wrong to vote for it. But I can also point to the fact he voted against both Iraq Wars pushed by the two Bushes and against the cluster bombs that Hillary voted for. How you justify Hillary's vote on cluster bombs is beyond me.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Sanders voted against the Iraq War, but in subsequent bills on funding the war, he voted in favor of it. So, Bernie Sanders isn't so saintly on war issues huh?
The bombing of Kosovo killed about 500 hundred civilians.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Nothing that is proposed is going to stop gun violence. All these proposals are on the margins, and will do little. I actually support total ban on guns, but that is not going to happen.
Her cluster bombs vote alone should be disqualifer for any progressive support for Hillary. These types of bombs are totally unnecessary and decimate civilians especially children. We can achieve total ban on these and prevent unnecessary deaths, but politicians like Hillary stand in the way.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I wouldn't call this on the margins. 30, 000 people dying each year isn't on the margins. Black people being shot on the streets isn't on the margins. Bernie Sanders cannot escape his gun votes. Hillary has apologized for her Iraq War vote, but Bernie has shown no remorse or given any apology.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)#1 Reason why she is popular in POC (I think it will change in time) is name recognition and ties to the communities through political system. Pretty much anyone who is someone in the democratic party is indebited to the Clintons one way or the other.
She talks about family, children, but the proof is in the pudding. Welform reform in 90s had huge impact on families, especially single mothers. She talks a good game, but when its time to make tough decisions (politics vs what is right), she often choices what she deems is political safe.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)there is not massive change
Clinton in not the answer
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Bernie knows the cards are stacked against you in so many ways.
Carlin said it: " Its a big club and you and I ain't in it."
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)I also believed in the American dream, which is the reason we came to this country.
Recently I was called a Corporatist by a Bernie Supporter on FB, and
was told here by another that I was stepping over other people,
while climbing the ladder.
FloridaBlues
(4,007 posts)My parents were immigrants too.
Thanks for your diary
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Some of our great liberal heroes have gone on the speaker circuit like AL Franken.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Bill sure did not come from a family of means and as governor of Arkansas did not make a big salary. As president his salary was $200,000 and of course this is also this amount is his pension. Congressional members gets $175,000. He was talented enough to write some books and the compensation from the books really lifted his net worth. I am not jealous of the net worth of the Clintons, not a lot of people get where they are, good for him.
Good for your family also
JudyM
(29,225 posts)A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)Otherwise they would be living the American Dream. That is some right-wing bullshit.
I know people who have worked hard their whole lives and they just keep getting knocked back down. One serious illness is all it takes. (Or having your employer outsource your job to China. Or a whole host of other things.)
If you work hard you really should be able to partake in the American Dream - but that is not the reality for many people. Bernie recognizes that and believes in creating a just society where the rewards aren't all concentrated at the top. With a social safety net and opportunities to help people raise themselves out of poverty.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)When you say that, you demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of where Bernie Sanders and his supporters stand.
It has nothing to do with not wanting people to be successful, or "looking down on" people who are successful.
We want more people to have the opportunity to live the American Dream. We want to expand the American Dream itself, e.g. so that everyone has access to actual health care -- because we think that people deserve that as a fundamental right; or so that everyone who qualifies can attain a higher level education by making public colleges and universities tuition-free -- again, because we think that people deserve that, not to mention because we know it will strengthen our society in many important ways. Does that sound like "looking down on" successful people to you?
Maybe you think that railing against the unbridled power enjoyed by the billionaire class means we "look down on" successful people. Well my definition of "successful" is much broader than "being a billionaire", and I can see quite plainly that rule of, by, and for the billionaires is ruining this great nation and isn't doing much for the rest of the world either.
jillan
(39,451 posts)are successful?
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Way ahead of everyone else.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)not just hard work.
You don't just work hard but you work smart as well. You need to be intelligent, creative, have a lot of drive / determination, and yes, luck. You have to have strategic advantages in whatever field or market you are in. Often, you also need to know the right people and excel in people skills. In addition, there are things out of control like the economy and the state of the market you are in (for instance, whether the markets are saturated, whether automation will threaten your field) that also determine your ability to succeed.
Of course though, thats just if you want to do it the honest way. I should add in masterful ability to manipulate people at the right times, be charismatic, have no shame, exceptional ability to make connections, and be very aggressive and an asshole if you want to be like how many Americans become successful, especially in politics and corporate america.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)The Clintons are even friends with Goldman Sachs' CEO, Lloyd Blankfein.