Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:47 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

Frack Queen goes to Flint to do what?

Someone explain it to me.

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115 replies	Author	Time	Post
Frack Queen goes to Flint to do what? (Original post)	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	OP
Shamelessly politicize a tragic situation?	Punkingal	Feb 2016	#1
Any other explaination is BS	Ferd Berfel	Feb 2016	#7
If I was a Hillary supporter I wouldn't draw attention to this	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#10
She has no shame!	m-lekktor	Feb 2016	#11
Pander queen	Rosa Luxemburg	Feb 2016	#17
Amen	840high	Feb 2016	#93
ABSOLUTELY... "Never Let A Tragedy Go To Waste... When i could Use It To My Political	CorporatistNation	Feb 2016	#54
Yep	MissDeeds	Feb 2016	#61
Exposure	NV Whino	Feb 2016	#2
To raise the profile and put pressure on state politicians to do something.	DanTex	Feb 2016	#3
Lol	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#6
Why isn't she exposing the plight of fracking victims with tainted water?	Arazi	Feb 2016	#13
I fail to see what cluster bombs have to do with her visit to Flint.	DanTex	Feb 2016	#21
She's hypocritical grandstanding in Flint yet unconcerned about cluster bombs	Arazi	Feb 2016	#24
Aha. So I guess we should also conclude that Bernie doesn't care about the hunger	DanTex	Feb 2016	#26
She voted for cluster bombs	Arazi	Feb 2016	#28
That has nothing to do with the Flint thing.	DanTex	Feb 2016	#29
It's all of a piece. She "cares" so much for the people of Flint	Arazi	Feb 2016	#34
Evidently she disagrees with you on a few issues that have nothing to do with Flint.	DanTex	Feb 2016	#39
Still avoiding the issue that Hillary supports cluster bombs I see	Arazi	Feb 2016	#43
I'm sticking to the topic of the OP. You're trying to change the subject.	DanTex	Feb 2016	#44
No, I see them as connected. I've already outlined why	Arazi	Feb 2016	#46
Well I don't see them as connect. Guess we disagree.	DanTex	Feb 2016	#47
That had to hurt.	Android3.14	Feb 2016	#73
Then again, Bernie DID vote to fund the F-35 fighter.	thucythucy	Feb 2016	#113
"She's only "concerned" when it's politically attractive. It's not heartfelt or she'd have a	kath	Feb 2016	#48
The nation's resources starved	NowSam	Feb 2016	#27
How many people from Flint do you know?	winterwar	Feb 2016	#57
I'm sure there are people in Flint of all ideological persuasions.	DanTex	Feb 2016	#58
So what?	winterwar	Feb 2016	#62
So the people you know there aren't representative. It's anecdotal.	DanTex	Feb 2016	#65
So you don't know anybody who lives in Flint.	winterwar	Feb 2016	#68
As a Flint native	ybbor	Feb 2016	#81
I'm not speaking for you, I'm listening to your mayor. Your friends there have a chance to vote	DanTex	Feb 2016	#82
No	ybbor	Feb 2016	#94
The mayor of Flint wants Snyder to stay in office	azurnoir	Feb 2016	#86
Sounds like her first priority is fixing the water crisis. But you might as well throw	DanTex	Feb 2016	#88
yep and exactly what is Snyder doing for Flint? oh ya reduced water prices	azurnoir	Feb 2016	#90
Hopefully with exposure and added political pressure that Hillary brings, Flint will	DanTex	Feb 2016	#91
I would think Obama has it already :)	azurnoir	Feb 2016	#92
+1	Blue_Tires	Feb 2016	#109
exploit the little people	Duckhunter935	Feb 2016	#4
Facetime.	NorthCarolina	Feb 2016	#5
To film a campaign commercial.	Vinca	Feb 2016	#8
The anti-fracking people should run an ad	Rosa Luxemburg	Feb 2016	#16
Why is this sort of name calling against Democrats allowed here on DU?	LonePirate	Feb 2016	#9
She is for Fracking...I found it within the realm of okay. nt	artislife	Feb 2016	#15
So by your logic, Gun Nut King is an acceptable name for Bernie. How about using restraint on DU?	LonePirate	Feb 2016	#19
Just giving my opinion. nt	artislife	Feb 2016	#38
This message was self-deleted by its author	libdem4life	Feb 2016	#59
Because... Revolution.	Agschmid	Feb 2016	#41
Everyone knows	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#63
Woohooo. Can't wait.	Agschmid	Feb 2016	#64
The White House was won a while ago	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#66
Yah, sure.	Agschmid	Feb 2016	#67
Because hating Hillary is evidently more salient	thucythucy	Feb 2016	#80
Some call to calm it down here...	MrMickeysMom	Feb 2016	#12
Someone should ask her about her love of fracking	Rosa Luxemburg	Feb 2016	#14
Pose like a shameless poser for some photo ops!	CoffeeCat	Feb 2016	#18
reminds me a bit of the 30 Rock episode where the Congresswoman wanted to pose with poisoned orange	kath	Feb 2016	#49
You won't see Maddow visiting a town like this.	Skwmom	Feb 2016	#20
She's exploiting poisoned men, women and children for political purposes. SHAMEFUL exploitation!	in_cog_ni_to	Feb 2016	#22
It would seem that one of the most obvious reasons would be to	procon	Feb 2016	#23
To look concerned at the photo op.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Feb 2016	#25
Are Sander's supporters really proud of OPs like this? Do they think this	still_one	Feb 2016	#30
Hillary will bring more attention to a tragic situation. I guess doing SNL is more humanitarian	MariaThinks	Feb 2016	#31
That they don't realize how this reflects on their candidate is astounding	still_one	Feb 2016	#32
So we'll make up your mind for you?	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#35
keep it up. You realize we're both democrats?	MariaThinks	Feb 2016	#105
Vote how you wish	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#108
i think i'm definitelly going way over your head. Good bye.	MariaThinks	Feb 2016	#115
Pander. Clintonian "Free Trade" is what devastated Flint in the first place. nt	Romulox	Feb 2016	#33
YES.	kath	Feb 2016	#50
The Mayor of Flint invited the person she thought could get something done.	Renew Deal	Feb 2016	#36
The only thing Hillary will get done is some campaigning n/t	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#40
And that alone was enough to finally bring attention to the issue	Renew Deal	Feb 2016	#42
The people of Flint don't want her there	Arazi	Feb 2016	#45
Yep, just because people are poor, doesn't mean they are stupid.	kath	Feb 2016	#51
It reinforces that she's a phony to me, definitely	Arazi	Feb 2016	#55
Psst, she's a private citizen.	sarge43	Feb 2016	#78
Exploit the people there to benefit herself politically.	Avalux	Feb 2016	#37
To lie to people.	Odin2005	Feb 2016	#52
She should go. So should Sanders.	HassleCat	Feb 2016	#53
Shameless Photo-Op	AzDar	Feb 2016	#56
^^This^^	CharlotteVale	Feb 2016	#112
She's worth M$32 - maybe she will bring them some water. nt	TBF	Feb 2016	#60
To show sympathy? Bernie shows empathy in everything about his entire life. nt	silvershadow	Feb 2016	#69
probably to pull a Sean Penn and try to help nobody after Katrina	PatrynXX	Feb 2016	#70
Threads like this	Dem2	Feb 2016	#71
Bingo.	Stand and Fight	Feb 2016	#76
K&R Bernie had courage to demand Mich Gov resign, but Hillary chooses a photo op	amborin	Feb 2016	#72
Use the people of Flint as wallpaper for a political spiel	sarge43	Feb 2016	#74
Going to drink in her husband's NAFTA legacy?	Ed Suspicious	Feb 2016	#75
photo op & she wants to cover up fact she STILL hasn't demanded the Mich gov resign:	amborin	Feb 2016	#77
Read the responses	HassleCat	Feb 2016	#79
I'm honestly not sure	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#83
We will know	HassleCat	Feb 2016	#87
I've been on DU for over 10 years	wilt the stilt	Feb 2016	#84
The sleeper awakens!	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#85
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2016	#96
Be that as it may,	H2O Man	Feb 2016	#97
Exactly, frack queen who endorses such polluting go to help and she hold no office to do so.	ViseGrip	Feb 2016	#89
To "appear concerned," of course.	senz	Feb 2016	#95
It's all theater!	passiveporcupine	Feb 2016	#98
I can't explain it but here's a kick and a recc for you	jhart3333	Feb 2016	#99
You will know when she claims Bernie doesn't care enough to go.	Spitfire of ATJ	Feb 2016	#100
Her surrogates on DU have been working that angle all day	whatchamacallit	Feb 2016	#101
This is 2008 all over again.	Spitfire of ATJ	Feb 2016	#102
When did it become ok	TeddyR	Feb 2016	#103
You're not going to have much success telling longtime DUers who and who isn't a "true" Democrat.	cherokeeprogressive	Feb 2016	#107
Putting a spotlight on Flint:	guillaumeb	Feb 2016	#104
Praise Flint as an example of NAFTA's success.	Motown_Johnny	Feb 2016	#106
To tell the water to "Cut it out."	Live and Learn	Feb 2016	#110
Frack Queen	bigwillq	Feb 2016	#111
NAFTA and other neoliberal economic policies supported by her and her husband	Bernblu	Feb 2016	#114

Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:48 PM

Punkingal (9,522 posts)

1. Shamelessly politicize a tragic situation?

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:55 PM

Ferd Berfel (3,687 posts)

7. Any other explaination is BS

and triangulated excuses

a cynical photo-op from the person that Championed Fracking and Keystone TPP (some of which she has triangulated out of for the time being)

Is this her attempt at redemption?

This is OK:

But this isn't 'eh?

Yeah, she's got my back.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:04 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

10. If I was a Hillary supporter I wouldn't draw attention to this

Apparently no debased ploy is too low.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:04 PM

m-lekktor (3,675 posts)

11. She has no shame!

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Response to m-lekktor (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:21 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

17. Pander queen

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:27 PM

840high (17,196 posts)

93. Amen

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:06 PM

CorporatistNation (2,546 posts)

54. ABSOLUTELY... "Never Let A Tragedy Go To Waste... When i could Use It To My Political

ADVANTAGE..."

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:28 PM

MissDeeds (7,499 posts)

61. Yep

And I can see the new ad coming: "Sec. Clinton was in Flint, addressing the horrific water situation and listening
to the needs of the people while Sen. Sanders was in New York, laughing it up on SNL". Just wait.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:51 PM

NV Whino (20,886 posts)

2. Exposure

Face in front of cameras. All that sort of stuff.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:52 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

3. To raise the profile and put pressure on state politicians to do something.

The mayor of Flint praised her for doing it. The people bothered by this are Bernie fans on the internet that don't live anywhere near Flint.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:54 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

6. Lol

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Response to DanTex (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:16 PM

Arazi (5,934 posts)

13. Why isn't she exposing the plight of fracking victims with tainted water?

You know, you're another Hillary supporter whose studiously ignoring her vote to support cluster bombs.

This thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511140849

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Response to Arazi (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:27 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

21. I fail to see what cluster bombs have to do with her visit to Flint.

And from what I understand, the Flint water crisis has to do with lead contamination from old pipes and pollution from the Flint river, and not fracking.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:35 PM

Arazi (5,934 posts)

24. She's hypocritical grandstanding in Flint yet unconcerned about cluster bombs

Im not surprised you don't see the connection.

If she were concerned about the plight of tainted water for people, then she'd also be standing up for those whose water is being contaminated by fracking.

Oh but she supports fracking...so inconvenient that. And she's a war hawk

She's only "concerned" when it's politically attractive. It's not heartfelt or she'd have a consistent message on everything.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:37 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

26. Aha. So I guess we should also conclude that Bernie doesn't care about the hunger

crisis in Chad. Why doesn't he talk about that? Does he not think hunger is a problem?

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Response to DanTex (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:42 PM

Arazi (5,934 posts)

28. She voted for cluster bombs

Has Bernie voted for starve children in Chad?

I'll wait

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Response to Arazi (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:43 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

29. That has nothing to do with the Flint thing.

It's just a random Hillary-bash.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:46 PM

Arazi (5,934 posts)

34. It's all of a piece. She "cares" so much for the people of Flint

she has to rush there (even though this has been going on since 2014 and the PEOPLE of Flint don't want her there)

Yet she supports fracking that's responsible for tainting the drinking water aquifers of several states! Because she's beholden to special interests that pay her big bucks. You don't see her rushing off to Oklahoma to help those folks

And fucking cluster bombs because she's a war monger be holding to the MIC that pays her big bucks.

Hillary supporters wonder why, why, why we don't trust her. Here's a classic example yet you refuse to even acknowledge it - it's "just Hillary bashing".

Sorry, it's not. It's deadly serious and we're pissed

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Response to Arazi (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:51 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

39. Evidently she disagrees with you on a few issues that have nothing to do with Flint.

Who cares? Nothing to do with the issue at hand.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:54 PM

Arazi (5,934 posts)

43. Still avoiding the issue that Hillary supports cluster bombs I see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511140849

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Response to Arazi (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:55 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

44. I'm sticking to the topic of the OP. You're trying to change the subject.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:58 PM

Arazi (5,934 posts)

46. No, I see them as connected. I've already outlined why

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Response to Arazi (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:00 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

47. Well I don't see them as connect. Guess we disagree.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:46 PM

Android3.14 (5,402 posts)

73. That had to hurt.

I almost felt sorry for you.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:57 PM

thucythucy (7,528 posts)

113. Then again, Bernie DID vote to fund the F-35 fighter.

Cluster bombs aren't delivered by mail you know, or shipped through Amazon. They're generally dropped from planes. The F-35 will most assuredly be a part of whatever air campaign drops those cluster bombs you so rightfully condemn, bombs that will no doubt kill some children. Maybe in Chad, maybe somewhere else.

So, when Bernie talks about peace, is he being a hypocrite?

BTW, I'm a Bernie supporter. His F-35 vote is one of his stands (along with his vote providing exceptional protection to the big gun companies--which got him praise from Wayne LaPierre) that make me cringe. But I'll vote for him anyway, because by and large I agree with him more than I do with Hillary.

But if I were to use your brand of litmus on him, I'd probably just give up and stay home. Then again, maybe that's the point of some of the folks here who are so vitriolic.

It's long past time for the most vituperative of the supporters on both sides to tone it down. All you're doing, at this point, is providing ammunition for the GOP to use in the general. Then again, it could be that's the whole point.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:00 PM

kath (10,565 posts)

48. "She's only "concerned" when it's politically attractive. It's not heartfelt or she'd have a

Consisten message on everything"

This describes her to a T.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:40 PM

NowSam (1,252 posts)

27. The nation's resources starved

To pay for endless wars. That is what they have to do with it.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:15 PM

winterwar (210 posts)

57. How many people from Flint do you know?

My best friend is from Flint, I grew up an hour from there. My Flint people are for Bernie Sanders. They don't like the Clintons. Flint was destroyed by Reagan, and the Clinton years was more of the same for Flint. You ever been there?

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Response to winterwar (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:17 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

58. I'm sure there are people in Flint of all ideological persuasions.

But the person they elected to represent them, the mayor, has praised Hillary for her efforts.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:30 PM

winterwar (210 posts)

62. So what?

I had Prick Snyder as my Governor in MI before I moved, that doesn't mean he represents me. WE didn't elect him, he doesn't represent me. Hell I worked on both campaigns against him. The mayor may represent those who elected her, and she may like the Clintons. I don't care about her opinion of Clinton, and none of my friends in Flint care for the Clintons. Flint is a city of auto workers. We know what was done during the Clinton years helped destroy the auto industry. If you say the word NAFTA around someone from Flint, be ready to hear some shit talking! People don't forget when their lucilius livelihood is ruined by terrible trade agreements. You had better believe my Flint people (especially the few who are lucky enough to have an autoworker job) care about TPP. Don't get me started on what the crack cocaine sentencing, welfare "reform", and mandatory minimums did to this city. But you didn't answer the question, do you know anybody in Flint?

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Response to winterwar (Reply #62)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:32 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

65. So the people you know there aren't representative. It's anecdotal.

Hillary's going there to help, and the mayor has praised her for it. Are there going to be some people upset? Of course. People get upset all the time.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #65)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:39 PM

winterwar (210 posts)

68. So you don't know anybody who lives in Flint.

Is it anecdotal to say that the only people who are bothered by Mrs. Clinton are Bernie fans who live nowhere near Flint? I told you that people in Flint, especially autoworkers, don't like the Clintons. This is from my people in Flint. But you, in Texas I assume, speak on the internet about it. I've been delivering water with the local UAW all week to Flint. 20 TONS of water, from my former local. But how about NAFTA? What do the people of Flint think about that?

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Response to DanTex (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:09 PM

ybbor (1,530 posts)

81. As a Flint native

I find your speaking for us disgusting. Although I don't live in the city anymore I have siblings, other family, and friends that do. They feel exactly as the OP describes. So take your bullshit elsewhere, for you don't know shit!

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Response to ybbor (Reply #81)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:11 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

82. I'm not speaking for you, I'm listening to your mayor. Your friends there have a chance to vote

her out if they are offended by this.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #82)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:28 PM

ybbor (1,530 posts)

94. No

You said the only people bothered by this "are people on DU who live no where near Flint". So you are wrong again, as I have noticed is pretty on par for you.

So have a nice day in spite of yourself.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:19 PM

azurnoir (45,850 posts)

86. The mayor of Flint wants Snyder to stay in office

Flint Mayor Karen Weaver says she will not call for Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder's resignation over the water crisis in her city.

Asked at the U.S. Conference of Mayors meeting in Washington, D.C., what repercussions Snyder should face, she said Snyder needs to remain in place to provide "the services and the money, the funds that we need to address the population."

Flint's water became contaminated with too much lead when its water source was switched in a cost-cutting measure in 2014. Protesters called for the governor's resignation as he delivered his State of the State speech Tuesday night.

Weaver refused to join those calls, saying she is staying focused on what she can get from the governor to resolve the crisis.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/38ec7c52c4a84fc7a5ac4c56fa8bb60f/latest-flint-mayor-wont-call-snyder-step-down

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #86)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:20 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

88. Sounds like her first priority is fixing the water crisis. But you might as well throw

her under the bus with the rest of them.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #88)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:22 PM

azurnoir (45,850 posts)

90. yep and exactly what is Snyder doing for Flint? oh ya reduced water prices

that'll fix stuff alright

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #90)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:23 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

91. Hopefully with exposure and added political pressure that Hillary brings, Flint will

be able to get more from the state. It's unfortunate that some people are trying to use this against Clinton and against the mayor of Flint for political reasons.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #91)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:25 PM

azurnoir (45,850 posts)

92. I would think Obama has it already :)

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Response to DanTex (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:08 PM

Blue_Tires (55,445 posts)

109. +1

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Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:53 PM

Duckhunter935 (16,974 posts)

4. exploit the little people

You know she will not spend any of her hundreds of millions in speaking fees.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:54 PM

NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)

5. Facetime.

eom

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Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:55 PM

Vinca (49,749 posts)

8. To film a campaign commercial.

Hillary will be holding a glass of orange water high in the air, then it'll cut to Bernie on SNL. As Larry David might write - yada, yada, yada. Is anyone here a marine biologist?

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Response to Vinca (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:20 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

16. The anti-fracking people should run an ad

saying where you now Clinton?

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Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:03 PM

LonePirate (13,199 posts)

9. Why is this sort of name calling against Democrats allowed here on DU?

I have no qualms if people don't like Hillary for whatever reason, but the name calling is beneath the dignity and purpose of this board.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:19 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

15. She is for Fracking...I found it within the realm of okay. nt

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Response to artislife (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:25 PM

LonePirate (13,199 posts)

19. So by your logic, Gun Nut King is an acceptable name for Bernie. How about using restraint on DU?

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:51 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

38. Just giving my opinion. nt

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:52 PM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

41. Because... Revolution.

Who knew a revolution could be so revolting.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:30 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

63. Everyone knows

They are usually violent, bloody affairs, and often the only path to change.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #63)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:32 PM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

64. Woohooo. Can't wait.

Love those usually violent and bloody affairs, they do great things to help win the White House.

Meanwhile both our candidates come out damaged and Kasich or Rubio waltz into the White House and we all get exactly what we didn't want.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:34 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

66. The White House was won a while ago

by entities that have little to do with you or I.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #66)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:35 PM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

67. Yah, sure.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:08 PM

thucythucy (7,528 posts)

80. Because hating Hillary is evidently more salient

than ANY attempt to bring attention to the horror that GOP politics have caused in Flint.

I'm getting really tired of having to say, "I support Bernie, but..." after another example of the maliciousness of some of his supporters on DU.

Okay, now come all the Bernie supporters to tell me how stupid, corrupt, phony, misguided I am. What a sad spectacle this place has become, and what lovely ammo it's going to provide the GOP, no matter which candidate wins.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:08 PM

MrMickeysMom (20,453 posts)

12. Some call to calm it down here...

I wouldn't charge Hillary Clinton to be a frack queen. There are plenty of other people I'd give that title to.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:18 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

14. Someone should ask her about her love of fracking

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Response to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:25 PM

CoffeeCat (24,411 posts)

18. Pose like a shameless poser for some photo ops!

Hillary is exploiting a tragedy, in hopes that she's gain a few points in the polls.

Her lows have no floor.

Gotta pose with some victims. Even hug a few.

Poisoned children make great props, in Hillary's world.

What she's doing is selfish and sick.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:02 PM

kath (10,565 posts)

49. reminds me a bit of the 30 Rock episode where the Congresswoman wanted to pose with poisoned orange

children.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:27 PM

Skwmom (12,685 posts)

20. You won't see Maddow visiting a town like this.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2010/06/fracking-in-pennsylvania-201006

Where's the outrage?

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:29 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

22. She's exploiting poisoned men, women and children for political purposes. SHAMEFUL exploitation!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:30 PM

procon (15,805 posts)

23. It would seem that one of the most obvious reasons would be to

target the Republicans who orchestrated the water crisis and have been criminally negligent in mitigating the damages or repairing the lives of their constituents. It also lets the residents see who actually comes to their town to listen to their problems... which is a good way to get voter attention.

If this is new to you, politicians have always taken advantage of their gravitas and powerful brand recognition to focus media attention on areas that highlight their concerns or policies that might be of particular interest to the community. Back in the day, we used to call it "consciousness raising", and anything that makes the GOP look bad and Democrats look good, is a handy tool to use.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:37 PM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

25. To look concerned at the photo op.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:44 PM

still_one (89,216 posts)

30. Are Sander's supporters really proud of OPs like this? Do they think this

kind of trash really helps their candidate?

and of course some of the comments that follow only amplify the OPs

Do you think Sander's is really proud of his supporters making posts like this?

Obviously there are some who believe they don't need Clinton supporters if Bernie wins the nomination

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:44 PM

MariaThinks (2,495 posts)

31. Hillary will bring more attention to a tragic situation. I guess doing SNL is more humanitarian

again, the offensive things Bernie supporters say will cause me to turn off him as a candidate.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:45 PM

still_one (89,216 posts)

32. That they don't realize how this reflects on their candidate is astounding

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:47 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

35. So we'll make up your mind for you?

Not the issues or platforms or candidates themselves? Way to vote!

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:27 PM

MariaThinks (2,495 posts)

105. keep it up. You realize we're both democrats?

or maybe you're not?

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:23 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

108. Vote how you wish

but own it. If you don't feel voting for Bernie is in your interest, great, vote for Hillary. But threatening internet forum posters you're going to withhold or change your vote because you don't like their tone, is absurd.

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Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:19 AM

MariaThinks (2,495 posts)

115. i think i'm definitelly going way over your head. Good bye.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:46 PM

Romulox (25,960 posts)

33. Pander. Clintonian "Free Trade" is what devastated Flint in the first place. nt

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:03 PM

kath (10,565 posts)

50. YES.

That should not be forgotten.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:48 PM

Renew Deal (81,383 posts)

36. The Mayor of Flint invited the person she thought could get something done.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:52 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

40. The only thing Hillary will get done is some campaigning n/t

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:53 PM

Renew Deal (81,383 posts)

42. And that alone was enough to finally bring attention to the issue

Hillary deserves a lot of credit for the attention Flint has been receiving the last two weeks.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:56 PM

Arazi (5,934 posts)

45. The people of Flint don't want her there

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511156958

They obviously smell a blatant photo op like the rest of us

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:04 PM

kath (10,565 posts)

51. Yep, just because people are poor, doesn't mean they are stupid.

I hope this backfires on her. it reinforces the idea that she is a huge phony.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:07 PM

Arazi (5,934 posts)

55. It reinforces that she's a phony to me, definitely

And obviously I'm not the only one who sees it that way

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:52 PM

sarge43 (28,865 posts)

78. Psst, she's a private citizen.

Unless she ponys up a couple of million she's made speechifying to banksters, what exactly can she get done?

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:49 PM

Avalux (35,015 posts)

37. Exploit the people there to benefit herself politically.

She will do anything to win at this point. Going to Flint is intended to show everyone how much she cares, but it's transparent as hell and I hope it backfires.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:05 PM

Odin2005 (53,521 posts)

52. To lie to people.

That is all she does, LIE.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:06 PM

HassleCat (6,409 posts)

53. She should go. So should Sanders.

For the benefit of the people who live there. It's important that Democrats show up in places where the government failed to safeguard the people, and talk about what happened and how to fix it. Our party stands for the idea that government can do things for people, so we need to back that up.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:15 PM

AzDar (14,023 posts)

56. Shameless Photo-Op

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:24 PM

CharlotteVale (2,717 posts)

112. ^^This^^

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:27 PM

TBF (31,869 posts)

60. She's worth M$32 - maybe she will bring them some water. nt

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:43 PM

silvershadow (10,336 posts)

69. To show sympathy? Bernie shows empathy in everything about his entire life. nt

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:43 PM

PatrynXX (5,668 posts)

70. probably to pull a Sean Penn and try to help nobody after Katrina

photo op gone south

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:45 PM

Dem2 (8,164 posts)

71. Threads like this

Make people not want to support Sanders.

Why? Are you secretly pro-Hillary?

I don't get it.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:52 PM

Stand and Fight (7,479 posts)

76. Bingo.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:45 PM

amborin (16,631 posts)

72. K&R Bernie had courage to demand Mich Gov resign, but Hillary chooses a photo op

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:48 PM

sarge43 (28,865 posts)

74. Use the people of Flint as wallpaper for a political spiel

Hell, her handlers have all but admitted she's doing it to make a warm and fuzzy for Democratic women in NH.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:50 PM

Ed Suspicious (8,879 posts)

75. Going to drink in her husband's NAFTA legacy?

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:52 PM

amborin (16,631 posts)

77. photo op & she wants to cover up fact she STILL hasn't demanded the Mich gov resign:

Hillary Clinton is seizing the political moment on Flint ...

Hillary Clinton is seizing the political moment on Flint
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/18/hillary...

... Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders ... on Friday, two full days before the debate, it was Sanders who first publicly called for Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder …

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:53 PM

HassleCat (6,409 posts)

79. Read the responses

The only people who really condemn this are those who believe Clinton is evil incarnate. The rest of us realize it's probably a good thing. I think both candidates should go. This is what Democrats do. We listen to people who are in trouble, and we try to figure out ways to help them. We are not Republicans.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:14 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

83. I'm honestly not sure

what Hillary is. But that's me. If you think she's actually doing this out of a desire to help, that's fine.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:19 PM

HassleCat (6,409 posts)

87. We will know

By what her campaign does after she appears there.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:15 PM

wilt the stilt (4,528 posts)

84. I've been on DU for over 10 years

and there is a band of Bernie supporters who are just assholes.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:19 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

85. The sleeper awakens!

Whatever you say, wilt.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:37 PM

H2O Man (72,243 posts)

97. Be that as it may,

those who advocate fracking are supporting a process that poisons very real human being's water supplies.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:21 PM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

89. Exactly, frack queen who endorses such polluting go to help and she hold no office to do so.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:29 PM

senz (11,945 posts)

95. To "appear concerned," of course.

Her aides thought it might work.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:38 PM

passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)

98. It's all theater!

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:39 PM

jhart3333 (332 posts)

99. I can't explain it but here's a kick and a recc for you

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:43 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

100. You will know when she claims Bernie doesn't care enough to go.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:46 PM

whatchamacallit (15,558 posts)

101. Her surrogates on DU have been working that angle all day

But yeah, I'm sure it'll get worked into the campaign's rhetoric somehow.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:48 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

102. This is 2008 all over again.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:51 PM

TeddyR (2,493 posts)

103. When did it become ok

On a website supporting the Democratic party to refer to a Democratic candidate for president as the "Frack Queen"? Any person that would use such slurs isn't a true Democrat and can take their slurs and their bullshit to the Tea Party.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:32 PM

cherokeeprogressive (24,853 posts)

107. You're not going to have much success telling longtime DUers who and who isn't a "true" Democrat.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:54 PM

guillaumeb (42,641 posts)

104. Putting a spotlight on Flint:

Clinton hopes the trip with shine a spotlight on the tainted water crisis plaguing the city, where officials did not properly treat water being pumped into homes, leaving people exposed to lead and other contaminants.

Clinton, according to aides, "intends to use her trip to Flint to urge the Republican-controlled Senate to approve the Senate Democrats' $600 million amendment to help Flint." The announcement comes on the same day that Senate Democrats blocked an energy bill over funding for Flint..........

Clinton has made Flint a focus of her campaign since the contaminated water issue was discovered, arguing that if the crisis had happened in a rich Detroit suburb, the response would have been faster and more effective.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/hillary-clinton-flint-michigan-water-crisis/

Exposing the racism in this situation is a good thing.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:32 PM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

106. Praise Flint as an example of NAFTA's success.

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:09 PM

Live and Learn (12,769 posts)

110. To tell the water to "Cut it out."

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Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:16 PM

bigwillq (72,790 posts)

111. Frack Queen

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Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:29 AM

Bernblu (441 posts)

114. NAFTA and other neoliberal economic policies supported by her and her husband

are partly responsible for what happened to Flint. If she does not denounce NAFTA and the other policies her trip to Flint is a meaningless photo-op meant to win her votes.

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