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Who won the debate? (Original Post) Renew Deal Feb 2016 OP
Rachel Renew Deal Feb 2016 #1
I thought Hillary sounded more Presidential metroins Feb 2016 #2
There was so much there that it's tough to get a decision. Renew Deal Feb 2016 #8
I must ask, SheilaT Feb 2016 #13
K. metroins Feb 2016 #15
Okay. Thank you. SheilaT Feb 2016 #19
Have a good night, I'm really an independent. Nt. metroins Feb 2016 #22
I think he resonates with people as real & open eyes to possibilities. RiverLover Feb 2016 #24
I guess I'm pretty happy right now, metroins Feb 2016 #25
Bernie by light years! n/t RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #3
I didn't watch so I have no opinion tularetom Feb 2016 #4
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2016 #5
Bernie... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #6
Who wins all online polls? onehandle Feb 2016 #7
are you OK??? UglyGreed Feb 2016 #11
I am quite fucking sick and tired of the constant allegations SheilaT Feb 2016 #21
THE ONLY REASON HE WINS POLLS IS BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE VOTE FOR HIM IN THEM! Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #27
Yes! Totally unfair! SheilaT Feb 2016 #35
You seem tense. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #26
Do you know about the cut/paste feature on modern computers? It's very useful. DanTex Feb 2016 #37
cut and paste- Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #43
LOL! in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #38
Bernie UglyGreed Feb 2016 #9
They were speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #10
didn't watch tonight either but husband said Bernie was good amborin Feb 2016 #12
Both were good. Both made points. Renew Deal Feb 2016 #14
Hillary came accross angry and rude. azmom Feb 2016 #16
Sanders overall. Clinton on foreign policy. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #17
Democrats Matariki Feb 2016 #18
Bernie won... k8conant Feb 2016 #20
Sanders best performance. joshcryer Feb 2016 #23
I really really really don't like his "Business of Wall St. is fraud" JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #29
Yeah, it's a weird statement... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #31
Have you seen The Big Short movie? in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #39
I have and I read the book. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #41
Well they sure wanted to make it a non-stop chat about foreign policy Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #28
Eh, when they start off on foreign policy, we say they are trying to tilt the thing to her favor. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #30
Didn't they wait till the second half of the debate to discuss it? Renew Deal Feb 2016 #32
I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #33
Hmmm... quickesst Feb 2016 #34
Here's the batch for this debate Jarqui Feb 2016 #36
Robb is a dingbat. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #40
Chris Matthews sucked afterward. senz Feb 2016 #42
The American people. lostnfound Feb 2016 #44
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
13. I must ask,
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

what exactly do you mean by sounding more Presidential?

I did not watch the debate, so perhaps you can express it in a way that doesn't depend on having seen the debate.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
15. K.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016

Realistic.

She spent more time explaining her positions and reasoning, as well as understanding it takes time/opportunities to get things passed.

Bernie has repeated the same lines and not given much depth. He spoke in an inspiring way a few times, but then I kept thinking "how will this get enacted?"

I also kept wondering which one I'd want handling WW3. I think Hillary.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
19. Okay. Thank you.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:22 AM
Feb 2016

I don't happen to agree with you about which one I'd want handling anything, but I sincerely thank you because it helps me understand what you and probably a lot of people mean when they say "sounds more Presidential."

That is NOT snark, but an honest thanking.

Here on DU, with the lines so viciously drawn, it sometimes eludes a lot of us that those who favor the other candidate are still honest, thinking people, who simply come to different conclusions based on the same evidence.

I will add here, that for me the whole notion of sounding or behaving Presidential just isn't on my radar. That does not mean anything at all except that I evaluate some things differently from others. No big deal. We all have things that matter more, or at least differently.

Again, thanks for your response.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
24. I think he resonates with people as real & open eyes to possibilities.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:24 AM
Feb 2016

Maybe we don't want a polished smooth talker now. We want sincerity with that ability to help bring US back to true Democracy. I don't want someone cast for the role anymore.

H2O Man

(74,919 posts)
5. Recommended.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:08 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie, by decision. Hillary won a few in the middle rounds, but Bernie won the early and late rounds convincingly.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
6. Bernie...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:09 AM
Feb 2016

...aside from the foreign policy section. He just knows what he stands for, what's wrong, and is all about getting it done the way it needs to be done. With people, by people, for people.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
7. Who wins all online polls?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:09 AM
Feb 2016

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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
21. I am quite fucking sick and tired of the constant allegations
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:23 AM
Feb 2016

that the only reason Bernie wins online polls is because his minions vote in them over and over. Such bullshit.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
35. Yes! Totally unfair!
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:50 AM
Feb 2016


I am quite astonished by the apparent naivete of the Hillary supporters who honestly and sincerely believe that the ONLY reason Bernie wins on-line polls is because of a cadre of dedicated robots who simply click on the on-line polls, endlessly and repeatedly.

As it happens, if a poll is asking something like, Who won the debate, and since I don't watch the debates I don't vote, but I'm interested in the outcome, I can't imagine I'm the only honest person out there who doesn't vote something she can't vote on.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
10. They were
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016

both very good tonight. Hillary was stronger than she was in the town hall.

He refuses to directly attack her and is very good about staying on message and conveying his beliefs, which no one doubts are genuine.

Renew Deal

(82,802 posts)
14. Both were good. Both made points.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:15 AM
Feb 2016

I think it's the good old Rorschach test. They made their points. Bernie doesn't have Hillary's polish, but she doesn't have his passion about small ball.

k8conant

(3,034 posts)
20. Bernie won...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:22 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary made some good points also, but she often forgot to say what she would do while she's "getting things done". I believe in doing the right things right.

She is still too beholden to that "one little street" and I also thought she waffled on the death penalty. I am glad that I have lived in states without a death penalty since 1952 (Michigan and West Virginia).

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
29. I really really really don't like his "Business of Wall St. is fraud"
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:33 AM
Feb 2016

It's not only wrong, it is incredibly weakening in the general election. It makes me cringe.

However, he is still by far the superior candidate.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
31. Yeah, it's a weird statement...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:34 AM
Feb 2016

...he'll be asked to clarify it and I'll be interested to hear his answer. Otherwise I thought he dominated the majority of it.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
39. Have you seen The Big Short movie?
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:25 AM
Feb 2016

Wall St. Business of fraud, which they all knew was fraud, brought our economy to its knees. They knew what they were doing was wrong and continued doing it anyway...until millions of citizens lost their life savings and their homes...and the people who caused that disaster, were bailed out, with our tax dollars and not one of them went to jail for what they did.

Watch the movie, maybe it'll stop the cringing when he speaks the truth. Wall St. Is corrupt.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
41. I have and I read the book.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:27 AM
Feb 2016

Wall Street is corrupt, but they have an essential role in our economy. And much of what they have produced over the past 100 years is of value. Do they need a heckuva lot more regulation? You betcha. Is the business model itself fraud? No.

They are exceptional at bribing politicians into themselves becoming a fraud foisted upon American voters, however.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
28. Well they sure wanted to make it a non-stop chat about foreign policy
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:31 AM
Feb 2016

now I would not be so as to ever suggest that the last minute addition of this debate was related to the overarching focus on a topic widely regarded to be Sec. Clinton's strong suit...




but even so I still think Sanders won.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
30. Eh, when they start off on foreign policy, we say they are trying to tilt the thing to her favor.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:33 AM
Feb 2016

I prefer it going last really. It is not the primary concern of Democratic primary voters.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
33. I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:47 AM
Feb 2016

If you ask me, it's been discussed into the ground, and I'm sure it will continue to be discussed.

Compare that to, for example, the domestic issue of marijuana legalization- no small matter, given that-

it ties into our huge rates of incarceration of non-violent drug users and the fact that four states have legalized for recreational use, and

more states, like California, are likely to in November, and

given that fact it will likely be a factor in motivating young voters to the polls, AND

the inescapable fact that already-legal CO is a crucial electoral swing state;


so given all that, why do you suppose it is that we haven't gotten one single concise answer from Hillary during ANY of the debates on that particular issue, in fact when questioned about it she invariably clumsily changes the subject to Heroin addiction?

...

We've had scads of discussion on foreign policy. Whether we needed this conversation to be fully 50% foreign policy (and another 20% inane spatting over the definition of labels like "progressive", which does diddly shit for the American people and their concerns) I think is a different and very valid question.

quickesst

(6,299 posts)
34. Hmmm...
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

..... Bernie's supporters here at Democratic Underground outnumber Hillary's supporters by around 6 to 1. Exactly how did anyone think this poll would turn out?

Jarqui

(10,413 posts)
36. Here's the batch for this debate
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:09 AM
Feb 2016

TIME
http://time.com/4208867/democratic-debate-fifth-new-hampshire-poll-survey/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter
Sanders 87% Clinton 13%

in Jan Sanders 87% Clinton 10% O'Malley 3%
in Dec Sanders 84% Clinton 13% O'Malley 3%
in Nov Sanders 81% Clinton 14% O'Malley 5%

heavy.com
http://heavy.com/news/2016/02/poll-who-won-the-democratic-debate-2/
Sanders 92.5% Clinton 7.5%

Jan Sanders 90% Clinton 8% O'Malley 2%

syracuse.com
http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/02/poll_who_won_thursdays_democratic_2016_presidential_debate.html
Sanders 91% Clinton 7% Draw 2%

Jan Sanders 95% Clinton 4% O'Malley 2%
Nov Sanders 92% Clinton 5% O'Malley 3%

nj.com - rooting for
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/02/poll_who_are_you_rooting_for_in_tonights_democrati.html#incart_article_small
Sanders 83% Clinton 11% Neither Neither 5%

Jan Sanders 91% Clinton 6% O'Malley 2%

politicalpeopleblog.com endorse
no poll this time

Jan Sanders 93% Clinton 6% O'Malley 2%

newsok.com
no poll

Jan Sanders 68% Clinton 20% O'Malley 11%

Slate
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/02/democratic_presidential_debate_who_won_vote_in_our_poll.html
Sanders 75% Clinton 23% MSNBC 2%

Jan Sanders 82% Clinton 14% O'Malley 3%
Dec Sanders 81% Clinton 13% O'Malley 3%
Nov Sanders 80% Clinton 14% O'Malley 3%

Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2016/feb/4/who-won-democratic-debate/
Jan Sanders 94% Clinton 4% GOP 2%

Jan Sanders 55% Clinton 7% O'Malley 2% Trump 19% GOP 19%
Dec Sanders 87% Clinton 7% O'Malley 1%
Nov Sanders 95% Clinton 4% O'Malley 3%

Palm Beach Post
http://postonpolitics.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/02/04/poll-who-won-the-fifth-democratic-debate-hillary-clinton-or-bernie-sanders/?ecmp=pbp_social_twitter_postonpolitics_sfp
Sanders 91% Clinton 9%

The Street.com
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13449177/1/hillary-clinton-or-bernie-sanders-who-won-tonight-s-democratic-debate.html
Sanders 83% Clinton 17%

FOX
http://fox5sandiego.com/2016/02/04/poll-who-won-the-5th-democratic-debate/
Sanders 92% Clinton 8%

Jan Sanders 94% Clinton 4% O'Malley 2
Dec Sanders 92% Clinton 7% O'Malley 2%
Nov Sanders 94% Clinton 9% O'Malley 3%

CSPAN
https://www.facebook.com/CSPAN?_rdr=p
Sanders 71% Clinton 29%

Jan Sanders 72% Clinton 23% O'Malley 6%
Nov Sanders 80% Clinton 16% O'Malley 4%

I realize the above are online and not scientific but many of the above do not allow more than one vote per IP address.


Jan Polls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1023811

Dec Polls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251926577#post8

Nov polls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251810199#post43

lostnfound

(16,485 posts)
44. The American people.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:44 PM
Feb 2016

substantive debate on important issues that never get spoken of in polite circles.
They talked about the elephant in the room, and I don't mean the GOP

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