Now FOX NEWS carrying water/lying for Bernie Sanders..Fox Resorts To Bogus "Voter Fraud" Claims

[workinclasszero]

Fox Resorts To Bogus "Voter Fraud" Claims To Downplay Clinton Caucus Victory
Blog ››› 9 hours and 39 minutes ago ››› TIMOTHY JOHNSON




ox News scandalized ordinary Iowa Democratic caucus procedures to baselessly suggest former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton won a Des Moines, IA, precinct through "voter fraud."

During the February 3 broadcast of Fox & Friends, host Heather Nauert claimed that "voter fraud" benefiting Clinton may have occurred because "Votes at a Des Moines high school were counted by hand.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/02/03/fox-resorts-to-bogus-voter-fraud-claims-to-down/208352

So now Fox NEWS and TED CRUZ both are on Bernies side...gee..I wonder why???

[nc4bo]

1. It's M$M. They rag on or had ignored Sanders all the time.

Sure feels crappy doesn't it?

[DhhD]

2. The hand count was challenged. After asking for hands on a request to have another count and

deciding the, No's had it, and there would be not be a recount, the Caucus judge then announced a few moments later that the electronic counting device was not working. Why did he not tell the voters -before- that yes or no vote was taken?

I do not believe the count was correct.

[bowens43]

3. it's certainly not out of the question for hill and her minons

[Agnosticsherbet]

4. Clinton scares them, so the Fox/Saudi network lies for Bernie.

Republicans are not the least bit worried about Sanders.

[CoffeeCat]

6. It's not lies. This FRAUD has been reported by numerous other outlets.

The people presiding over this caucus violated the official Iowa Caucus rules.

This is not how you're supposed to run a caucus.

These yahoos violated the rules.

But, never mind. It's not important. Fraud in our election system and people violating the rules...please. Let's just sweep that under the carpet. Despite the fraud being available for all to see on video--because it was originally recorded by CSPAN, we're just gonna file that way under "Don't see. Don't care."

Unfrickingbelievable.

[Agnosticsherbet]

9. No, Fox lies. Their story is a lie.

bye.

[CoffeeCat]

19. NPR reported on this story. Are they lying?

It's not a lie.

I look at the videotape and I can tell you that these people violated the Iowa Caucus rules.

I have the rules sitting right here.

These people did not run their caucus in the appropriate manner.

But never mind. I'm probably some Glenn Beck/Israel/Black Ops conspiracy...or something.

OMG...you people really do have your schtick down. It's just amazing to watch you dance around what is clearly wrong.

[840high]

33. It is not a lie.

[workinclasszero]

11. Yeah they are praying to Ayn Rand that Bernie knocks off Hillary

Because they know Burnie would be a pushover in the general

[CoffeeCat]

20. Bernie beats Donald Trump by wider margins that Hillary in GE matchups

Your meme is dispelled by looking at the polls on RCP.

[workinclasszero]

23. Of course, the republicans treat bernie with kid gloves

in the hopes that he beats Hillary.

Then you will see wall to wall, 24/7 republican attack ads against Bernie. And his ratings against the republican candidate will be in the toilet.

Are you people so naive?

A socialist, an atheist even though he dances around the issue most democrats don't care but millions of republican will never vote for an avowed atheist and the republicans wont let him get away with dancing around the issue either.

Plus Bernie has given them a perfect sound bite already which you will hear 24/7 until election day.

"We will raise taxes, yes we will."

But now they are laying low to fool all his backers and sadly it seems to be working well.

[bkkyosemite]

36. pushover, awkward, not electable, not experienced, not not not

Bernie is not a pushover in the Primaries or the GE. He is Presidential and experienced.

[pangaia]

31. The Saudies are worried about.. CLINTON???

Uh,, I think not...

[CoffeeCat]

5. This was FRAUD! These people violated the Iowa caucus rules. They should be tarred and feathered.

At least 50 media outlets have reported on this fraud, and they have showed this video--which was originally recorded by CSPAN.

Who gives a damn if Fox News is reporting what scores of media outlets are reporting?

You're trying to suggest that Fox News is on Bernie's side--because of this story?

These people are on video engaging in practices that are WRONG!

I've got the official Iowa caucus rules right on my desk right here. As a precinct captain I know them inside and out.

These buffoons in the video should have counted until they got the counts correct. PERIOD.

They called for a vote of the entire room to see if there should be another count. That's not how it's done. That's not how the Iowa caucuses are supposed to be run.

The counts are supposed to be accurate. That's the job of the Precinct Chair and the captains, to ensure accuracy and to follow procedures.

These halfwits did not follow procedure. They failed everyone in the room. But that's not important, right? What's important is that, APPARENTLY, by reporting the truth about these jerks violating Iowa Caucus rules or procedure, that Fox News is "on Bernie's side."

These Hillary people failed everyone in that room with their shoddy tactics that they made up as they went along.

But never mind that! It's more important that we feel sorry for Hillary Clinton--and that we honor the bad feels that her supporters get when someone in the media doesn't sing her praises. Oh brother...

[AtomicKitten]

8. thank you

It is maddening when people insist what you have seen with your own damn eyes on this video isn't so.

[CoffeeCat]

13. And it's Democrats that are doing this!! DEMOCRATS!!

What hope is there for our party or our system if Democrats hide fraud and rationalize it--in order to support their candidate?

This is the kind of stuff we criticize Republicans for!

The shit that went down in Iowa--no one will EVER know about. You'll never know what I know. You'll never know about the widespread stories--just like this one.

I get to carry those burdens--along with all of the other precinct captains--who have cried and commiserated about delegates that Bernie did not get on Monday night--because of CHEATING. Because of shit exactly like the shit that you see in the video.

But carry on. Please. What's most important is the cult of personality.

What's right. What's wrong. What's honest. GONE.

[workinclasszero]

12. So you dispute what Media matters says about this bogus crap?

Media Matters!! Under the Bernie bus with you!!!

[CoffeeCat]

17. This is not how the Iowa Caucuses are run

This is a clear violation of the Iowa Caucus rules.

This is my second year as an Iowa Caucus Precinct captain.

I received specific training about the rules and procedures this year.

These people did not follow the proper procedures.

Many assholes didn't follow the proper procedures. Interesting that none of those people were Bernie people.

Interesting that the people obfuscating are Clinton fans.

Again. No right. No wrong. No integrity. It's about spinning for your candidate.

Free and fair elections be damned.

[frylock]

21. Media Matters? David Brock's Media Matters?!

[840high]

34. Brock?

[pangaia]

32. The guy calling for a show of hands on whether to do a recount

ALSO said, " it won't change the delegate count anyway so.. do you want to vote again?"

Hint, hint !!

[Joe the Revelator]

7. Are we not the party that calls for transparency in elections?

We use to be.

[CoffeeCat]

10. And that's what PISSES ME OFF!!!

Since when do DEMOCRATS hide fraud???

Since when do DEMOCRATS justify fraud that is caught on videotape by CSPAn???

Apparently, when we're so lost in fandom land, that we can't even see straight!

[PonyUp]

15. When they're not DEMOCRATS. n/t

[frylock]

22. Look, it's time to admit that they ARE Democrats..

people need to come to grips that your party has been overrun with conservatives. It's real easy to see when you're outside looking in.

[mythology]

25. If it's so easy, then why don't the facts support your contention?

The parties are objectively more polarized and further apart than any time in recent memory and by some measures, since the Civil War.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/its-been-150-years-since-the-u-s-was-this-politically-1590076355

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/long-division-political-polarization-worse-ever-here-stay-n228441

So no, the Democratic party is objectively not overrun with conservatives. I don't care that it doesn't fit the narrative you want to tell. Objective measurable statistics say you are wrong.

[frylock]

26. There are varying levels of conservatism.

Moderate conservatives are running your party.

[quickesst]

14. Everytime I read...

... The bullshit attacks on Hillary Clinton, I feel like I'm standing in line at a grocery store reading the headlines of a gossip mag, right next to the story about the man who married a wolf and the wolf gave birth to a boy named Eddie Munster. What's not to believe?

[workinclasszero]

16. Ikr?

Its freaking ridiculous and sad that these people are supposed to be liberal democrats yet use every right wing outfit and lie they can against Hillary.

[CoffeeCat]

18. Plenty of other media outlets reported on this. Fox News is one of many (nt)

[quickesst]

29. Gotta love the way...

... they start a thread with something like "Hilary To Supporters", and then follow it with a statement that for some reason lacks quotation marks. I call that lying.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511092675


It's like someone starting a thread with a title of...... Bernie To Supporters: I don't care about gun deaths in America, then justify it by producing documents that prove he voted against the Brady Bill. I would call that lying also, and to justify it as the truth would be stretching the limits of credibility to the farthest reaches of the universe.

[CoffeeCat]

24. Here is the entire explanation of what happened in that room...

This was for #43 in Des Moines, IA held at Roosevelt High School. It was broadcast live on C-SPAN2.
Final delegate count was Clinton 5, Sanders 4. It was very close. Here is the breakdown:
FIRST VOTE: 215 Sanders 210 Clinton 26 O'Malley 8 Undecided 459 TOTAL
After this, the groups realign and another count was conducted. Sanders's group leads performed a FULL recount of all the supporters in his group. The Clinton team only added the new supporters gained to her original number from the first round of voting. I did not see another recount of the Clinton supporters taking place. It would have been very hard to miss that activity.
SECOND ROUND: 232 Clinton 224 Sanders 456 Total
It was assumed by the chair, Drew Gentsch, that the voter difference was due to a few people that left the building before the second round began. The question is whether there were really 456 total people present for the second round of voting. That was not clear, as Clinton's team did not perform a recount of ALL of the Hillary supporters during the second round of voting. We don't know how many Hillary supporters were in the room. Some of them may have also left the building between rounds.
The Clinton precinct chair, Liz Buck, lied about whether she recounted all of the Clinton supporters during the second count. At 9:44pm ET she stated to the Chair that she only counted the newly gained supporters and added that to her first-round count to arrive at the new 232 total. A minute later, after the second round votes were being discussed openly, with Hillary then taking a 5-4 delegate lead, the Sanders supporters directly asked Liz if she recounted ALL of the Clinton supporters during the second round. Liz Buck answered yes to that question at 9:45pm ET stating that she DID count them all. It's all on tape. The Sanders supports were unsuccessful at getting a recount conducted, even though several of them protested vigorously. Those supporters knew exactly what happened, but instead of the Chair asking Liz to perform a count of all Clinton supports, he said that the results had to be protested formally, leading to a majority vote, that the Sanders supporters lost. It should be noted that, before the recount vote was conducted, the Chair told the crowd that the results of the recount would not have an effect on the outcome.
See 1:48:00 to 1:54:00 in this video. http://www.c-span.org/video/?403824-1/iowa-democratic-caucus-meeting
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[nc4bo]

28. Thank you for completely clarifying that chaos. nt

[CoffeeCat]

30. Yes, it's very sad that these people broke rules

But I'm glad that CSPAN was there to document their behavior--and what happened.

This was the first year that such rule breaking and shenanigans ever took place. 2008 had much heavier turnout and our caucuses pulled through without questionable counts, fraud, malfeasance and people violating caucus rules.

Not this year though. So sad.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Corporations working for Sanders.

[RedFury]

35. Why?

Not sure I understand why the guy running the caucus says a re-vote is irrelevant as nothing would change (in terms of Hillary's win in that station...or perhaps he speaks in grander fashion to the plebes)