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(2,262 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:58 PM Feb 2016

Yesterday during Bernie's C-Span rally,

a Clinton supporter called in to say he disagreed with free public college education. His reasoning was that he had to pay his student loans so everyone should.

This caller reminded me of a typical Republican argument. They got theirs and don't want anyone else to get a better break. If you look at Hillary's position on healthcare, it is nearly identical. She refuses to fight for a better system because she's got her own already. She fought for CHIP but unwilling to work to get the remaining uninsured help or fight to reduce our bloated prescription costs.

I just can't support that thinking.

Bern on!


(18,775 posts)
2. I can see how that might feel unfair
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:01 PM
Feb 2016

Debt restructuring and in some cases debt forgiveness for student loans should be part of the change.



(19,537 posts)
11. Yep, the answer isn't to say "no" to free college for the future
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

... but to ALSO adjust for the problems faced by those who've been screwed by college debt in the past too.

I've personally tried to make this point here in Oregon too, where we are making a great move to make Community college free starting in 2017. It's a big challenge with our state budget being limited, with our state corporate taxation being near the bottom of the country, which is something we want to fix now, and also other areas where we need to raise money. Revenue from freeing people through amnesty for past post crimes (that I personally helped push here) should also help us fund this too.

But I noted that not only from a sense of fairness, but even pragmatically for our party we should also be looking at helping some of those students graduating now or recent graduates that are completely saddled with debt here from having to pay so much for their college educations here now. Even if we try to just make the moves to start looking at practical legislation that we might not be able to afford in the near term or get passed in the short term, it will be a sign to those new young voters that will be voting shortly that are the biggest victims of existing college debt that we are working for them, so that they won't feel isolated and "left out" and we can count on their votes in this critical coming election too.


(18,775 posts)
12. Yes. And seniors who were never able to pay off their college loans
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

and are getting Social Security garnished. Those debts should be forgiven, IMO



(18,133 posts)
3. race to the bottom
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:02 PM
Feb 2016

it's the same way they attack union workers and civil servants...

"if i don't get that why should they?" how much thinking does it take to turn that into "if they can get that why can't I?"

used to be, can be again

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
4. Some of her supporters here said the same thing.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:03 PM
Feb 2016

Some also complained because they don't pay for their health insurance and don't want single payer because they won't benefit.


(13,907 posts)
7. I've heard a similar argument HERE about the minimum wage.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

Somebody was saying he'd worked a long time to get ahead and it didn't seem right that people could just jump to $15 an hour. He was really saying he wasn't far enough ahead of everyone else — kind of a fucked up definition of getting ahead. I tried to explain that his happiness wasn't dependent on seeing his neighbors suffering, or shouldn't be.


(650 posts)
9. We were thinking the same thing
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

He doesn't understand that a higher minimum forces a higher median and directly benefits him too.


(650 posts)
8. I hear this reasoning in regards to minimum wage as well
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:16 PM
Feb 2016

"I make $16 an hour and I have all these skills, why should someone who flips burgers make almost as much as me?"

Um, you'll end up making more too Mr. "Skills".

To the Clinton supporter in the OP I would say "Cool, so you're looking forward to your kids graduating $50k in debt or were YOU gonna pay for that?"


(2,717 posts)
10. No progress would ever be made on *anything* with that mentality.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

It's stunning how selfish and short sighted it is.

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