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Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will "Never, Ever Come To Pass"
BY DAVID SIROTA
Closing out her Iowa campaign, Hillary Clinton on Friday declared that the Medicare-for-all proposal pushed by her Democratic primary opponent and many liberal groups will never, ever come to pass. The statement came weeks after a new poll showed most Americans support the idea. Her declaration was a reversal of her position two decades ago which came before she received millions of dollars of campaign cash from the health industry.
Clintons comments, which were made during an appearance at Grand View University in Iowa, were aimed at Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who has long championed the kind of government administered health care system used by many major industrialized nations. Of Sanders proposal, Clinton said on Friday: "People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have a theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass." The Kaiser Family Foundations December 2015 tracking poll found that 58 percent of Americans support expanding Medicare to cover everyone.
Clinton's slammed the push for single-payer even though some of the major labor unions supporting her campaign have long cited that goal as a top legislative priority. Her comments also contrast with what she herself said in 1994 during remarks to the Lehman Brothers Health Corporation. As CBS News notes, back then she declared that a single-payer system was all but inevitable, saying: I believe that by the year 2000 we will have a single payer system. I dont think its I dont even think its a close call politically ... it will be such a huge popular issue in the sense of populist issue that even if its not successful the first time, it will eventually be.
Between that declaration and her now saying single-payer can never pass, Clinton has vacuumed in roughly $13.2 million from sources in the health sector, according to data compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. That includes $11.2 million from the sector when Clinton was a senator and $2 million from health industry sources during her 2016 presidential campaign. In a 2006 story about her relationship with the health industry, the New York Times noted that during her Senate reelection campaign, she was "receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from doctors, hospitals, drug manufacturers and insurers" and had become "the No. 2 recipient of donations from the industry."
Clinton and her daughter Chelsea have suggested that Sanders plan would dismantle the Affordable Care Act, which Sanders voted for. Sanders has disputed that and has also disputed that passing a single-payer system is impossible if a president pushes it.
In 2014, that view got a boost from then-Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin. He told the Hill newspaper that year that when it came to creating a Medicare-for-all system or a government-run health care option in the Affordable Care Act, We had the votes in 09. We had a huge majority in the House, we had 60 votes in the Senate.
Democrats, however, are not expected to have such numbers in Congress after the 2016
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)
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TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Wow, what a visionary!
californiabernin
(421 posts)This is the exact opposite kind of "visionary" our Party needs now!
reformist2
(9,841 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)If nominated, not only will she lose the general election; she'll destroy the party.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)I have no doubt about this.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Does she think we're children?
merrily
(45,251 posts)voting for New Democrats, bought and paid for politicians and those who are center right to right.
Then, you too, can have on your conscience that the US pays the most for health care in the world, yet has poor outcomes. BTW, "poor health outcomes" is a nice way of saying preventable deaths occur, among other bad things.
Snarkoleptic
(6,037 posts)Plappergeist
(27 posts)jhart3333
(332 posts)What did we hear out of the Obama White House? Crickets. That's when I knew I'd been bamboozled.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)We may well get single payer, but it won't be through a plan that somehow projects pharmaceutical spending will be negative.
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)They know she was referring to Bernie's plan, not single payer itself.
But they obviously enjoy pretending otherwise. So let them play - while they can.
questionseverything
(10,238 posts)Autumn
(46,496 posts)She really should have thought that Single-Payer Will "Never, Ever Come to pass" comment over real well before it ever left her lips.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)she STAYS bought.
840high
(17,196 posts)a lot of favors.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And people think she isn't. Sad. Dumb too.
jalan48
(14,476 posts)Yes we can't!
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Buncha' focus group technocratic bullshit. I can just hear it: "Go right, Go right....we need those independent conservative voters....this is a center-right country...."
Of course I don't mind it. Better she stand out in sharp relief from a real Democrat.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Hey...some Animals are more equal that others!
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Is she really that blind?
My 9 year old could figure it out.
Are we really as a nation this stupid?
Even if Bernie wins this Democratic Presidential race is really, no REALLY showing the contrast of our party in detail.
C'mon.
All you need are red lights blinking all around it with 20 giant red arrows surrounded by and pointing directly at it.
This is insane.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)She's that OWNED. She served her masters and herself. No one else.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)shows what she say's now, WILL CHANGE once she gets into office (and even before).
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)I hope this is another nail she's pounding into her own (political) coffin.
senz
(11,945 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)hillary 2016: keep hope dead
hillary 2016: care that never delivers
hillary 2016: rich lives matter
hillary 2016: yes we can, but fuck, we just don't want to
daleanime
(17,796 posts)for the .1%
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)keep telling me that she for universal healthcare???
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Er, uhm, yes, it can. All it actually requires is a group of our elected representatives who are willing to do their jobs and actually represent the people who elected them. A whole lot of things were "theoretical", before they became "real". I keep hearing people saying that this is never going to happen, which just kind of boggles my mind. It can happen, it will happen, if we keep fighting for it, and vote for people who fight for it.
Obama took the first step - not as big of a step as many of us had hoped for, but a step nonetheless. Problem is - ff we're going to mandate that everyone be covered by health insurance, then we need to somehow ensure that everyone CAN be covered by health insurance. Otherwise it's like punishing someone for not having an SUV in the winter, because they can't afford the payments or the gas. A seven hundred dollar fine for me, for not having health insurance, when the only plan I could possibly get was a 314 dollar a month catastrophic plan. I'm very part time due to health issues right now - and make roughly 300 dollars a month after taxes. I think I might qualify for an exemption, looking into that now, but if I don't... I'll end up paying 700 bucks for not having insurance, because I could not afford insurance. The ACA doesn't apply when you make as little income as I do - and my state rejected the medicaid expansion (primarily thanks to Governor LePage).
The best way to do this is through a single payer system. I'm poor as hell, but, TAX ME for it, seize my state and federal returns, if that's what it takes. Please, go ahead, if it means that I and lots of other people can get health insurance... TAX ME. We make it federal, we apply some kind of flat tax percentage so that everyone has to pay something (provided they have income), and we solve a whole NationLoad of issues with health insurance finance, affordability, access to care.
No one in America should have to die because they can't afford health insurance. No one in America should have to pay out money they don't have because they can't afford health insurance.
The ACA helped many people, but it also left many people out in the cold. The public option we needed was surrendered without much of a fight. I don't know what (if any) changes Clinton would make to the ACA, but it is not enough to bandage half-assed legislation, we need the real thing.
The whole mentality of, "We can't do this, so let's not even try." has defeated many, many noble ideas and goals throughout history. It required people thinking differently, acting differently, possessed of courage, passion - and strength, to accomplish what would "never, ever happen". Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, all gave us some pretty decent examples of this. Scientists, teachers, fire fighters, police officers, janitors... all kinds of people give us still more, if we pay attention.
Anything can be done, if we have the courage to try.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Uncle Joe
(60,235 posts)Thanks for the thread, Nanjeanne.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The only reason we don't have it yet is because of the influence of corporate money over the election and legislative process. This is another problem we must solve.
Bernie has solved the problem on a personal level by not accepting corporate money.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)That is a fact.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)President Mitt Romney would be hitting the campaign trail for re-election in Iowa today.