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Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:20 PM

Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders (or why NOT to offer a lamb to the GOP)

In his article, Dana Milbank addresses the unpleasant fact of how good the GOP is at demonizing opponents. We have seen them working over Hillary Clinton for a couple of decades. We all need to remember that with many people if you repeat a lie often enough they will begin to think it's a reality. THis works with, sorry to say it, many people (most are known as "the GOP base" but they are not limited to that group).

Nobody knows this better than the GOP. They count on people being programmable to win elections - well along with voter suppression (and, in a pinch, the Supremes to abort an election and choose who the 'winner' is). It seems many people are blythely oblivious to this fiendish facility of the GOP in their enthusiasm for their candidate who nobody doubts (in Democratic circles) is a good man. The Dana Milbank article could serve as a good medicament for those enthralled by reveries of Sir Good-at-Heart being victorious over the monstrous malevolence of the GOP - if they are open to his knowledgeable advice (and entreaty?).


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html
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Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: [font size="+1"]Opponents ("Opponents"?? ...how 'nice' of Dana to not put in print: "the GOP" have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.[/font]

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.

The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”

Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .
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Reply Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders (or why NOT to offer a lamb to the GOP) (Original post)
Bill USA Jan 2016 OP
Joe the Revelator Jan 2016 #1
Mnpaul Jan 2016 #8
roguevalley Jan 2016 #15
jeepers Jan 2016 #2
Fumesucker Jan 2016 #3
farleftlib Jan 2016 #4
ejbr Jan 2016 #9
cali Jan 2016 #5
Bill USA Jan 2016 #10
beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #6
bowens43 Jan 2016 #7
angrychair Jan 2016 #11
ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #12
Bill USA Jan 2016 #21
ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #23
jillan Jan 2016 #13
VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #17
leftupnorth Jan 2016 #14
jeff47 Jan 2016 #16
AnnetteJacobs Jan 2016 #18
randomelement Jan 2016 #19
Bill USA Jan 2016 #22
Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #20
reformist2 Jan 2016 #24

Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:24 PM

1. Dana Milbank, the journalist responsible for such hits as...

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:35 PM

8. Hartmann had a whole list today

of ridiculous claims made by Milbank and others. It's a good thing few are keeping score as these fools never get it right.

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Response to Mnpaul (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:33 PM

15. i don't know how anyone can be more demonized than

HRC considering they say she murdered vince foster

how can it be worse for anyone than her. lame excuse not to vote for bernie. desperate

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:24 PM

2. Damn that hurt. Wounded to the core am I

I feel that I have betrayed everyone. I quit, you win.

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:24 PM

3. He's sure giving Hillary fits

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:25 PM

4. yawn

 

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:39 PM

9. zzzzzzz

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:26 PM

5. Posted and with over a hundred comments but you left out all

 

the funny stuff about how dreary and uninspiring hill is.

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Response to cali (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:43 PM

10. the point is that the GOP will have Bernie for lunch. Paragraphs that addressed that fact is



.....what I excerpted.

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:26 PM

6. Recycling is good for the environment.

Thank you for thinking of Mother Earth.

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:32 PM

7. Blah blah blah. Your queen will never be president.

 

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:51 PM

11. Dang

You people flip memes fast. Slow down, pace yourselves. Enjoy life. Tweak and adjust the orignal ones a little to keep them interesting and going for a day or two. Maybe change them out every couple of days. Like underwear.
You have to at least make last to Super Tuesday. Save the big freak out and good stuff for then...like the "he's a commie" red card should have been held until after New Hampshire at least....blew your best material early.

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:53 PM

12. Milbank has firmly and long ago established what and idiot he is. He has no credibility. nt

 

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:55 PM

21. LOL. aside from the utter absurdity of your remark, Milbank is not stating opinions, the GOP's

track record of demonizing and attacking their opponents has been documented by thousands of newspaper articles, reports/documentaries on television and countless books (here's a few: The Hunting of the President, Blinded by the Right, The Republican Noise Machine, It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided with the New Politics of Extremism by Thomas E Mann, Norman J Ornstein)

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Response to Bill USA (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:22 PM

23. Regardless, I don't listen to or read anything he has to say. nt

 

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 10:35 PM

13. Where is Hillary tonight? Not in Iowa. Oh yeah fundraising with the banksters.

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Response to jillan (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:47 PM

17. That corporate dinner bell rang.

I'd rather put my shoulder to a boulder with the common man than sell my conscience to the corporations and rest on my laurels.

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 10:50 PM

14. Come on, there is no way this crap works anymore. Just look at '08.

Fear of the GOP and their 20th century smear network is so 90s

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:45 PM

16. So his argument is we should vote for the already "demonized".

How does that even begin to make sense? Choose the already demonized because we want to give the GOP less work to do?

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:59 PM

18. America's not quite ready to elect a socialist for president.

America's not quite ready to elect a black man for president, either.

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 12:26 AM

19. Take a look around here Bill

I think you're making the same mistake the MSM has/did - you're underestimating the level of support Bernie has. Do the Sanders supporters appear to be a milquetoast group that will stay quiet when the GOP tries to frame the argument or misrepresent his positions? To a man/woman, we are all fed up with the status quo and, quite frankly, we're not going to take it any longer. If they (GOP) want to shout their lies, they'll be met with a set of lungs they never expected.

And you honestly think Hitler Lite (Trump) is going to get any traction beyond the small group of racist xenophobes?

FFS

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Response to randomelement (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:05 PM

22. it's important to remember/realize how effective McCarthyist tactics are. Also, it's a mistake to

judge the political environment just by noting the enthusiasm of those who agree with you and only counting them when you estimate the inclinations of the nation. There are many, many people who are sublimely susceptible to the GOP's techniques of demonization and disinformation. check out this comment (so I don't have to copy and paste): http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511078927#post21

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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 12:48 AM

20. Judging from how Bernie has handed the DNC it's ass twice now...

 

...once over access to voters lists and again today over debates.... it looks to me like he is no lamb.



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Response to Bill USA (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:29 PM

24. Did you hear that? Mountebank tells us that socialists do not win in America! Don't even try!!!

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