Conservatives claim Obama has pulled out of NC?

[TroyD]

I went over to FR to see their reaction to the latest polls showing Obama ahead in North Carolina, and they are claiming that Republican sources are telling them that Obama has pulled out of NC and that his people have left the state.

Anyone know what they are talking about?

[elleng]

1. Sure, they're CONFUSED!

[Blue Idaho]

3. They are not confused, they are liars.

When all the news goes against you - make shit up and hope the low information voters a dumb enough to believe you.

[rock]

57. You forgot to add "and idiots"

[nc4bo]

2. Tell 'em, y'all keep thinkin' that na....y'hear?

[fun n serious]

4. A few weeks back..

The Romney campaign 'predicted' a Obama NC pull out. For what that is worth!

[fun n serious]

12. Romney Beating Obama Among Middle Class Voters By 14 Point Margin…

Another post from repuke land.

[BlueToTheBone]

5. And election day is November 8th. n/t

[TroyD]

6. To me it doesn't make sense Obama would pull out of NC

Particularly now that he is moving into the lead in NC in the last 3 polls.

Is this an attempt to put out misinformation, or are they genuinely confused?

If they are totally confused, it doesn't say much for their campaign.

I just read a report this morning that Obama's pollster is in North Carolina.

[DURHAM D]

7. I believe they are putting more in

given they can move them in from other states at this point.

[tanyev]

8. Republican sources = the voices in their head

[On the Road]

9. IMO, The Obama Campaign Should Confirm That Rumor:

"Hey guys, we're pulling out. You don't have to worry about NC anymore -- it's going to be a walk for Romney."

I guess that would be underhanded though.

[TroyD]

10. I think we have several people here connected with the NC campaign, yes?

Are you hearing that there is an attempt by Republicans to claim that Obama has pulled out of the state?

There's a whole thread about it on FR where they discuss today's Civitas poll.

"A senior fundraiser in the NC Republican machine just told me that Obama pulled out of NC over the weekend. I thought that was good news, but he said that the R’s had hoped that Obama would spend a fortune here and then lose by 5 points."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2935666/posts?q=1&;page=51

I don't intend to lurk on that board again for a while, but just wanted to give a heads up here to anyone who might be working in the NC campaign as to the talking points the Republicans may put out.

[crazylikafox]

11. yeah, his plane pulled out at the end of the convention.

[octoberlib]

13. Not true!

I received an email last week from the Obama campaign asking me if I'd be interested in traveling around NC registering voters.

[TroyD]

14. As it says above, they say Obama pulled out THIS weekend

But I would assume it's untrue.

They must notice the narrow polls in North Carolina and that Obama has actually moved into the lead, so why would his team pull out?

[progressivebydesign]

23. Lol. well considering we have DUers in NC who have contact with the office THIS weekend.

it's a FR FAIL. Seriously... let them have their little fantasies. Why muddy up the waters with their rantings?

[K Gardner]

29. its beyond me why you'd post this here

[demwing]

51. Why is that beyond you?

pretty simple post...

[Thrill]

15. I live in NC. We're getting about 4 Obama Ads

.

[budkin]

16. Yeah, just like it was reported Romney pulled out of Wisconsin a couple weeks ago

Total BS

[DCBob]

17. I suspect its a strategic disenformation tactic and you fell for it.

I wouldnt be so quick to assume there is anything of substance to anything a conservative is claiming these days.

[littlemissmartypants]

55. I am in love with big words. Thank you for

strategic disinformation tactic. Could we just shorten it to SDT for future reference?

[DCBob]

59. big words?

but I do like SDT.. sounds clinical and deadly..

[smorkingapple]

18. I've been saying give up the NC fantasy for a while...

We don't need it. I know it went blue in 2008, but it's like Indiana, it's not going blue this time.

Even if it's not true that Obama pulled out, the "bang for the buck" we get for turning NC blue this time is not worth it. He should put that money somewhere else for a state that's really necessary.

[TroyD]

21. 'it's not going blue this time'

How can you say that when Obama is ahead in the NC polls right now?

And where else should he focus? He's doing well in all the other states, so why not focus on NC? It's the most winnable of the remaining states - more so than Indiana.

[JoePhilly]

27. Pressure in NC requires Romney to defend it. It helps spredd Romney thinner.

And Romney can't afford it. He must win NC, and VA, and Ohio, and FL. He's behind in 3 of the 4, and NC is within the margin.

And Obama has not left, at least not from what I can tell living here in Wake County.

[Botany]

30. please Obama is campaigning in N.C. and he has a lead there right now too

North Carolina: Obama 46%, Romney 43% (HPU/Fox)

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/21/latest_swing_state_polls.html

[smorkingapple]

52. All I'm saying is, we're acting like we really need this state

We don't. It's a very nice to have. It's not a must win. If Obama said, fuck it, let them have it so I can make sure I take Colorado, I'm shedding no tears over that. I'd rather see him try to turn AZ blue or make Romney defend it. Demographically we can own the entire southwest for the next generation

[oswaldactedalone]

19. I'm not buying this...

yesterday in Greensboro at least 400 volunteers were in the OFA office getting training on GOTV. Greensboro and Guilford County are fired up and ready to go.

[unblock]

20. let them think that ;)

[progressivebydesign]

22. LOL... you guys crack me up! I never know from one day to the next which FR talking point it'll be.

Umm no. Did NOT pull out of NC. Why are you even OVER at FR? Seriously. Why wade into the cesspool to report back to us?

[TroyD]

32. I rarely go there

I just went there today to see what they would think about the news in NC and was surprised to see them saying Republicans are telling them that Obama is pulling out.

As I said above, I think we should stay in NC and try to win the state. Afterall, people didn't know if Obama could win there 4 years ago and he did. And if he's now AHEAD in the latest NC polls, why pull out?

Why not try and win it!

[DCBob]

33. That place is full of RW psychos..

I wouldnt assume anything written there is legitimate. The only reason to go there is for a laugh.

[JoePhilly]

24. Just watched an Obama add attacking Romney 5 minutes ago.

Talked to some local organizers earlier today ... they seem fired up.

This sounds like BS to me.

The best part is that Obama won't need NC, but he is forcing Romney to defend it anyway. Great strategy.

[Darchan]

25. Good observation

Hope that's true.

[K Gardner]

26. that is unadulterated b.s. We are there in force. nothing hss changed. plz

See my journal for a description of NC ground game.

[Kteachums]

28. Haven't we learned by now that Uglicans are liars?

[tarheelsunc]

31. I've seen far more Obama ads on TV here than Romney ones

On certain stations at least. There are some where it is about even, but I definitely wouldn't call this "pulling out."

[davidn3600]

34. IN and NC are the most likely states to flip back

And that's been known for months. So it would not be a huge surprise if Obama did eventually pull out of those two.

[TroyD]

35. There's no reason to pull out of NC

Obama is ahead in NC, so why pull out?

[davidn3600]

37. At this point it is probably too early to pull out

But if it's the middle or end of October and the internal polls show it's trending red...don't be surprised if they let it go. Especially if they are leading in VA, OH, and FL.

[TroyD]

43. But it's trending blue right now

So IF it trends red, that's a discussion for another day.

[cleduc]

36. Obama ad spending in NC has been gradually rising the

past three weeks. They've bought ads in that state every single week since May 14.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/hotline/ad-spending-in-presidential-battleground-states-20120620
Romney campaign stopped nearly all ads for a couple of weeks including NC - which is probably why Obama ad buys slowed down during that time. Romney has resumed buying ads in NC the last couple of weeks spending more than Obama - strange for a campaign that's supposedly so far ahead, their opponent is dropping out. For evidence of that, look at Michigan where Obama hasn't spent but Romney spent $10 mil for nothing.

Obama is +1.0 in Real Clear's GOP slanted poll of polls
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/nc/north_carolina_romney_vs_obama-1784.html

In the last 30 days, Obama has had 9 campaign events in NC. Romney has had just one.

A look at barackobama.com shows about 600 phone banks, registrations, etc scheduled over today, tomorrow and Wednesday in that state.

I serious doubt their claim that Obama is pulling out of the state.

[cleduc]

38. I reported the claim to the Obama campaign Truth Team so they

can shut it down

[DCBob]

40. shut down the Freepers??

good luck with that.

[cleduc]

42. I don't expect that

They'll just issue some info on the upcoming schedule/ads or whatever which will have a similar effect for rational minds so it doesn't snowball in the media and hurt their efforts in the state.

[DCBob]

49. Its only snowballing on FR and in this rediculous post.

its nonsense.

[TroyD]

44. Thanks.

Glad they will get on it.

Now that the latest polls showing NC trending towards Obama, I assume they will definitely want to win the state.

[cleduc]

45. The worst case is the Romney campaign will have to spend more money

trying to hang on to it. That's not such a bad thing even if Obama doesn't carry it because it dilutes the GOP Super PAC money advantage.

With the map as it is now:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
there are a lot of ways for Obama to get to 270.

Under the circumstances, NC is almost a must win for Romney because he has considerably fewer paths to 270 and must win a lot of states to get there. And he's behind in all the battleground states with only seven weeks to go and early voting is basically underway.

So Obama can plunk down $600k per week in ads and make Romney spend double that trying to lock it up because Romney has to.

About $20 mil of the GOP's $40 mil spending advantage in ads so far got burned up in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania & Wisconsin. I don't see why the Obama campaign shouldn't try to add North Carolina to that list when they're currently ahead in the polls for that state.

[Rochester]

39. They're conservatives. You really think they can be trusted?

N.C. will be a stretch for Obama, but it's certainly within reach.

[quaker bill]

46. Not consistent with his approach

Whether he is up by one or two or down by the same. President Obama presses to win close contests. It is what he did in 2008. He kept McSame defending turf that should have been his easily, he is and will do the same to Rmoney through November, and he has enough cash under his control to do it. Any money Rmoney does not spend to put NC in his column will be spent in OH and FL trying to turn them around. When you are winning, you don't back off.

[treestar]

47. Remember, when Republicans want

Something to be true, they think they can make it true by saying it and repeating it.

[NCLefty]

48. This president does NOT pull out prematur... erm...

Well I'm in Charlotte and the Obama campaign has already knocked on my door AND called me (at least once). Both asked me to volunteer, too. I haven't heard a peep from Romney's people.

[mnhtnbb]

50. They're talking bull$hit, as usual. Wishful thinking.

[Ishoutandscream2]

53. Wishful thinking...wait, they don't think

Anyway, I remember a while back some DUers questioning holding the convention in Charlotte. Looks like it was a pretty damned good move. And, by the way, great job to the Tar Heel state!

[Arkana]

54. Good. Let 'em keep thinking that.

[littlemissmartypants]

56. The First Lady

was just in NC. But she left. Maybe that is what they were talking about. Are the republicans lying again? Are there lips moving?

[liberalmuse]

58. I usually take what they say

and believe the exact opposite. It works 99.999% of the time.

[fujiyama]

60. I see no reason to do that just yet

The campaign has some of the smartest political operatives of the last two decades and I can't see them wasting too much money on a state showing little hope. The public polls so far have shown the state tightening again (after Romney leading in most the last month or two), with some even giving Obama a slight lead. For the last year or so, the state has been very close. I have no idea what internal polls say, but this is a state that depends heavily on turnout of blacks, younger voters, and those that recently came to the state.

If on the other hand polls show Romney with consistent 3+ point leads, then yeah, I say fuck it, let it go and spend the money to cement VA, CO, OH, and FL. But for now, let Romney and his PACs keep spending money there...