The Most Disingenuous Attack on Bernie Yet

[Ferd Berfel]

Thom went off on this on the show today. This is important to know about
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http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2016/01/most-disingenuous-attack-bernie-yet

If you watched Sunday’s Democratic debate, you learned something interesting about Bernie Sanders: he voted for the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, something Hillary Clinton was all too eager to point out when the two of them got to talking about Wall Street reform.

Sounds pretty bad, right?

The guy who goes on and on about how bad Wall Street is actually voted for the bill that crashed economy.

So much for all that “political revolution” stuff…

But here’s the thing: Hillary Clinton isn’t telling a true story about Bernie Sanders and his vote for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, or CFMA.

As Robert Scheer has pointed over at TruthDig, then-Congressman Sanders voted for the CFMA not because he wanted to, but because he had to.

read on.............

[99th_Monkey]

1. K&R - important information, for sure. Thanks & thanks to Thom H. as well. n/t

[daleanime]

2. K&R.....

[beam me up scottie]

3. Off to the Greatest!

Thank you both!

[HerbChestnut]

4. I don't even know how to react to that.

I laughed, then I was angry, then I was just outright astonished that she would pull something like this.

[Jarqui]

27. Sadly, it's just more dishonesty from Hillary that's becoming too routine in this campaign

But she's been deceiving her entire career. She didn't score high in the untrustworthy polls for nothing!!

This one is particularly ugly because she kicked Bernie in the nuts for helping her husband keep the government open. That's stooping pretty low to score political points.

[malokvale77]

43. Nothing she does astonishes me anymore.

Every time she opens her mouth, I know she's lying to promote herself or one of her cronies.

For example: http://www.muckety.com/John-D-Podesta/8565.muckety

Look who has their thumb in all the pies.

[arcane1]

5. Attacking him for voting on a bill written by her own CFO.

[draa]

6. And signed by her husband i believe.

Now that's some shitty politics.

[arcane1]

7. Whatever It Takes(tm)

[debunction.junction]

39. About as shitty as Hillary claiming Bernie voted to allow guns on Amtrak.

Yes he did, in your checked luggage with no access while on the train.

[Ferd Berfel]

8. she was hoping no one would notice

[loyalsister]

9. Exactly

She acts as if she thinks voters are stupid.

[Fuddnik]

16. It's not an act.

She really does think we're stupid.

She's only about half right.

[loyalsister]

23. I think she's less than half right

I find it baffling that she has been a part of these primaries as wife of candidate, first lady, and presidential candidate a total of 4 times altogether and has still not figured out how engaged, deliberate, and thoughtful the early primary state voters are?

I wonder if she might see herself as so superior and entitled that the voters only really matter if they help her achieve her goal.

[malokvale77]

44. Baffling indeed.

I wonder if she might see herself as so superior and entitled that the voters only really matter if they help her achieve her goal.

I think you got it.

[draa]

54. Lol, I see what you did there.

Very sublte and well played.

[Punx]

19. I don't vote for people who think I'm stupid

Or waste my time listening to them either.

[Skwmom]

10. Thanks for posting. n/t

[rurallib]

11. Saw Thom discuss this today and was hoping someone would post

pretty nifty little trick they played.

[John Poet]

12. This goes 'BEYOND THE PALE' !

Hillary attacks Bernie for voting for a bill
which was slipped into an omnibus package
at the last minute,

for which 99% of the House members voted,
which was authored by a current member of her campaign,

and was signed into law BY HER OWN HUSBAND!!!


I have seen the startling hypocrisy of many members of the Republican party,
but I NEVER expected to see a member of my Democratic party
SINK to THESE depths!

I have never seen such a level of unmitigated gall, such blatant hypocrisy,
except that coming from members of the Republican party..

This is absolutely STUNNING.

My disdain for Hillary has never reached the levels of some of my compatriots who also back Sanders. I have not truly 'hated' her-- I have only found her record unsatisfactory to me as a progressive, and I think her a poor choice for general election electability. BUT--

THIS thing, combined with the current Red-baiting of her campaign--
they are pushing me...


If you haven't actually read the story, you should go READ it.

[EndElectoral]

22. Give her an A for chutzpah and an F for coming clean with the truth.

[John Poet]

25. It's also rather insulting that she thought

she could get away with it, and not be called on it.

An attack based on Bernie's vote for a bill which was
signed into law by her own husband?

I'm still shaking my head over it.

[morningfog]

32. She's no better than Rove and Bush when it comes to campaigning.

They are in the same nasty league.

[Armstead]

13. From the article...

Sanders, like the rest of Congress, was blackmailed into voting for the bill because it was tucked into omnibus legislation needed to keep the government operating. Only libertarian Ron Paul and three other House members had the guts to cast a nay vote. The measure freeing Wall Street firms from regulation was inserted at the last moment in a deal between President Clinton and Senate Banking Committee Chairman Phil Gramm, R-Texas, who had failed in an earlier attempt to get the measure enacted. Clinton signed it into law a month before leaving office.

[highprincipleswork]

14. "Disingenuous" is the word. I used that on another post on this that was subsequently HIDDEN!

I mean, really, childish hiding of posts or reality you simply don't want to admit to or see?

I think it's a little pathological that we have to closet ourselves away in groups that ban people for life and then still get their message out sometimes as latest and greatest threads.

I think there should be a time limit on bans and that group postings that are not open to everyone should also be not eligible for latest or greatest.

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Wow! Talk about an unethical, disingenuous, dishonest

Say-and-do-anything-to-win, slimy, unprincipled person she is.

Bernie is her POLAR OPPOSITE! Kind, honest, ethical, trustworthy, principled and a TRUE GENTLEMAN That's the kind of person the majority in this country want to vote for!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[passiveporcupine]

17. They've been doing the same damn thing with other votes of Bernies

Disingenuous at best. Liars is more like it.

[riversedge]

18. oh yeah, and bernie hard to vote for gun immunity bill. same ol, same ol

[malokvale77]

45. If that is the best you can do...

you lose.

The real problems in this country come from politicians who are tied to this shit: http://www.muckety.com/John-D-Podesta/8565.muckety

That is what Hillary Clinton is about. She is no better than Koch funded candidates. Oh right, they funded the DLC.

I don't care 2 shits about what Hillary and her wealthy cronies want. I care about my family and community. Something Hillary knows nothing about.

[Mbrow]

20. I've noticed the usual suspects

aren't here yet to defend HRC and defame Bernie, oh wait it's after working hours...

[Mbrow]

21. oops I guess some are still up

[thereismore]

31. Hahaha they'll be back when their campaign offices

open tomorrow!

[SHRED]

24. Slimy. How low will she go?

[SoapBox]

26. Slimy like her attack over the guns on Amtrack.

That bull just burns my butt.

[morningfog]

34. As low as it takes. Bernie is standing in her goddamned way.

[antigop]

28. K&R nt

[ChiciB1]

29. Just Watched Thom On RT Talking About This...

Actually said everything the article reported. His first guests were just as negative about Hillary regarding the ad run from the MO. Senator CM. One person said, at least Bernie tells you up front what he thinks even if he/they say he's a Communist, SHE is getting $$$ from the back door (behind her) and what comes out the front (her mouth) may actually make her look like a dictator.

Someone said that it seems the Clinton's will do anything to become POTUS even it means RUINING then Democratic Party.

The guest who was talking about this issue explained it very clearly, and in not so many words said she was a liar and using THIS vote knowing full well WHY he was forced to vote for it. And then he opposed Gentler who is now the CFO of her campaign.

Almost everyone on his show tonight were pretty much talking about how very UNETHICAL and UNDERHANDED the campaign is conducting itself and most said it will back fire on her. Said she underestimating how much this will make Bernie supporters to dig in their heels over this and so much more. Especially the voters new to politics like millennials, but said he has been getting more and more voters from all sectors.

If anyone listens to alternative TV you WILL get the REAL and theREST of the story!

I'm Feelin' The Bern in more ways than one... FUMES coming out of my head! I'm so disgusted with what this DEMOCRATIC PARTY is bound and determined to do when it wants to basically try to RUIN a good man's name! BERNIE SANDERS!

Ok, need to stop before I completely EXPLODE!

[MissDeeds]

49. + a zillion

[thereismore]

30. Sickening. Everybody should know this! nt

[WillyT]

33. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[Uncle Joe]

35. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Ferd Berfel.

[femmedem]

36. Thank you for posting this.

I'm a big Bernie supporter but also respected Hillary and thought she didn't deserve the hatred she seems to inspire. Now I finally get why people dislike her so intensely.

[Festivito]

37. A guy who wrote the awful bill is her campaign's CFO! And it was in omnibus, and at gov shutdown!

half truth goes to third truth to quarter truth.

[malokvale77]

46. Yes and it is f@#king pathetic.

I'm sick of these rich a$$holes running our government.

It's past time to take back our democracy.

Go Bernie and a political revolution.

[blackspade]

38. More lame poo flinging from the Clinton Campaign.

Typical

[panader0]

40. Recommended

[stevenleser]

41. Really? We're making excuses for why the Bernie who thinks he can get single payer

Through a Republican House had to make a pragmatic vote that included something bad in it?

Why didn't he mobilize the people to get that provision removed from the omnibus spending deal?

He's got a national platform now. Why isn't he forcing the Republican congress to do all kinds of things.

The answer is he can't. And that's not pessimism or any other dumb term folks have tried to use against people like me pointing out the obvious. Bernie is running in a platform he knows he can't possibly enact.

Tom Hartmann, I know you read this stuff. What's your answer?

[stevenleser]

48. LOL, the funniest part of your response is how there is currently an OP in GDP whining

about attacks on Bernie. You guys attack everyone. You attack Hillary, you attack her supporters, you attack anyone who is even slightly critical of Bernie, you even attack Black Lives Matter.

And you invent things in posts to attack people. I didnt mention Hillary once in my post.

[passiveporcupine]

50. I love how you play squirrel

Oooh! Quick, look over there!

[stevenleser]

53. You're projecting as is common with Sanders supporters here.

There is no need to play squirrel or anything else with you guys. Your attacks are all over this forum. Someone in the media criticizes Bernie, there are quickly several 100+ post attack OPs on them. Someone says something nice about Hillary completely not involving Bernie at all, there are quickly dozens of snide comments in response.

Black Lives Matter has one person protest Bernie, Oh my god, quelle horreur! They are a Hillary Soros shill organization created to attack Bernie!!!!11!!11111!!!!elevens!!! Until another random BLM person endorses Bernie and then they are wonderful!!!!

You guys are relentlessly negative and rude, 24x7, and then you complain when you get just a small percentage of it directed back at you. i.e. Projecting

[Gman]

55. The level of immaturity among so many Sanders supporters

Is really telling about why they accept so many things without question. They are incredibly self centered and some seem to want things handed to them on a platter.

[stevenleser]

57. Yep. A real negative reflection on anything they purport to support.

I'm encouraged by another thread, the one about Coates and reparations. A fair amount of Bernie folks were finally pretty reasonable in that thread.

[AlbertCat]

59. They are incredibly self centered and some seem to want things handed to them on a platter.

That's so hysterical!!!!!

[Gman]

63. They sure don't lift a finger any other way

Like in congressional elections.

[AlbertCat]

64. They sure don't lift a finger any other way

Please present your proof that Sanders' supporters don't "lift a finger" in congressional elections. I don't believe Sanders was running for president during any congressional elections, so how can he have supporters that.... oh never mind...

It's these silly statements along with ridiculous stuff like "she's the most qualified candidate to ever run anywhere in the history of the universe!", along with all the "Why do you hate her, you meanie!" that confirms the fanboy immaturity of Hillary worshipers.

Afraid to talk about her real record. Afraid to hear any criticism. Afraid to even try to make things in this country better.

NO WE CAN'T!

[Gman]

65. Get over it

[AlbertCat]

67. Get over it

No no no...it's "Quit it", isn't it? "Just quit it"

[passiveporcupine]

56. oooh, aren't you worked up

Squirrel!

[AzDar]

42. K & R

[olddots]

51. Hillary's new campain slogan

I Got Norhing .

[d_legendary1]

58. Her next campaign slogan

I made it up.

[merrily]

52. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1030217

[valerief]

60. K&R

[hopemountain]

61. she is stoking the primary fires

for all of the sparks she can get. careful, careful, hillary. even she should know what can happen when playing with fire of one's own making - it becomes an obsession and as david axelrod warned, it can come back and work against her.

[avaistheone1]

62. Thanks Thom!

Note to self - make time to listen to Thom's show. Got too busy, I need to listen again.

[Ferd Berfel]

66. Or buy his pod cast and listen anty time

just sayin


(and NO Ferd Berfel is not TH) I'm better looking.