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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:54 PM Jan 2016

I'm guessing Michael Moore is about to endorse Clinton

On Chris Hayes, the host asked him if he was going to make an endorsement. Moore said whoever the Dems nominate is going to be the next president, so people should vote for the person they believe in.

He said he campaigned for Bernie way back when in Vermont and has endorsed him consistently ever since,. He said Bernie's politics are his politics.

But then he said he's always had a crush on Hillary, and he really likes the Clinton's personally. They had him to the WH way back when and were very gracious.

Ultimately he did not express support for either, and said he would be releasing a written endorsement later in the week.

My hunch is that he's being cagey because an endorsement of Hillary would be counter-intuitive considering Moore's history and politics. And so, being a showman, instead of doing the expected thing, he'll support Clinton for whatever strange combination of reasons he comes up with.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but that was my intuition listening to him.

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I'm guessing Michael Moore is about to endorse Clinton (Original Post) Armstead Jan 2016 OP
If Michael Moore does endorse Hillary.... Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #1
I agree. He will get shredded! nt m-lekktor Jan 2016 #8
Yep Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #21
JESUS!!!! you Sander's supporters are just as bad as the far right tea party bigdarryl Jan 2016 #24
Evidently you don't know social media very well. Fearless Jan 2016 #39
Especially if he pulls that BS he pulled with Nader Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #33
For Moore Claiming to be a progressive and endorsing Hillary,well that takes away his credibility. INdemo Jan 2016 #41
I got that sense, too ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #2
Consiering his politics and hers....yes it would be a strange combination Armstead Jan 2016 #11
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #22
Weak response...He is consistent and was just as battle tested then as now Armstead Jan 2016 #23
So searching for some "strange reasons" constitutes a strong/non-weak response ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #28
I'm the one he said I think he'll endorse Clinton Armstead Jan 2016 #34
What is strange about ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #36
Because Bernie does not equal Nader Armstead Jan 2016 #40
But he's the next best thing to a third-party candidate. randome Jan 2016 #60
So one is born into a party and must remain there for the rest of their life Armstead Jan 2016 #61
Moore said he thought Bernie had a better chance to win in the GE than Clinton. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #45
There is no obvious reason. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #55
HRC is doing, marginal, worse ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #57
He was really vague. IMO based on what he said it can go either way, but I'd lunamagica Jan 2016 #3
That's not so much "counterintuitive" as *grotesque*. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #4
look, the guy likes two of the three candidates, he will support who ever wins the primary hollysmom Jan 2016 #5
I saw that. I think he was giving props to the clintons for how they respected him mattvermont Jan 2016 #6
It will definitely be Sanders toshiba783 Jan 2016 #7
at least he shaved Armstead Jan 2016 #15
My interp of that part of the interview is he will endorse Bernie next week for primary emulatorloo Jan 2016 #9
When it comes to politics, I'm idealistic but "glass half empty" fatalistic Armstead Jan 2016 #16
He campaigned for Bernie and has endorsed him ever since. SheilaT Jan 2016 #10
I hope I'm wrong...but I think.... Armstead Jan 2016 #17
Well, if he endorsed tonight he wouldn't be back for another interview when he did endorse JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #27
I think he will endorse whoever wins the Democratic nomination Sanity Claws Jan 2016 #12
He said he will have a written endorsement this week Armstead Jan 2016 #18
Moore "said he would be releasing a written endorsement later in the week." demwing Jan 2016 #19
Armstead is correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #30
Moore will endorse whomever, but... demwing Jan 2016 #13
And he's made a lot of money off of doing so. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #46
How fucking awful of him to make a living. CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #56
He really does have a crush on Hillary. He has written about it several times in print and Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #14
Hell of a reason, but stranger things have happened Armstead Jan 2016 #20
Why? Fawke Em Jan 2016 #37
Let's get really convoluted: HubertHeaver Jan 2016 #25
Maybe he'll endorse OM for President Armstead Jan 2016 #26
Endorsing Hillary would be a betrayal of everything he has ever stood for. last1standing Jan 2016 #29
HRH voted for the IWR. I honestly don't think he'd ever endorse her. Fahrenheit 911? in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #31
And that's without counting his other works. Lancero Jan 2016 #43
That's fine. He can do whatever he wants, and it's fine. closeupready Jan 2016 #32
I like how how you're easing him toward the bus. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #35
Just being honest Armstead Jan 2016 #44
Best joke I've heard all night!! Fearless Jan 2016 #38
Hillary said today that people should follow their heads, not their hearts. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #42
I wonder is whoever is receiving his endorsement doesn't want to publicize it DemocraticWing Jan 2016 #47
A press conference? What is this, 1973? He'll post it on his website, Tweet it to his 1.9 million Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #59
If Michael Moore endorses Hillary retrowire Jan 2016 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #49
For sure. In fact, his next movie is going to be "Hillary & Me" mhatrw Jan 2016 #50
I appreciate that he had good things to say about both of them Matariki Jan 2016 #51
Oh that would swing a lot of votes... Purveyor Jan 2016 #52
He could endorse O'Malley just to mess with everyone's minds. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #53
I'd be really shocked if he endorsed Secretary Clinton nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #54
Some Tweets from Moore during the last debate, odd choices if he's going to endorse Hillary: Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #58
 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
24. JESUS!!!! you Sander's supporters are just as bad as the far right tea party
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jan 2016

With your rhetoric

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. I got that sense, too ...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

but wouldn't refer to his reasons as "whatever strange combination of reasons he comes up with."

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
11. Consiering his politics and hers....yes it would be a strange combination
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jan 2016

He supported Nader because he did not like the Democratic Party the Clintons left us with..... He is a longtime supporter of Bernie. He is full on supporter of universal healthcare and all of the issues Bernie has been pushing for, and he has been fighting corporations and Wall St. and all of the policies of Bill for years.....

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
22. Well ...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jan 2016
He supported Nader because he did not like the Democratic Party the Clintons left us with.


Perhaps, he learned something about how the real world works ... and resolved not to make that mistake , again.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
23. Weak response...He is consistent and was just as battle tested then as now
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jan 2016

By 2000 Moore already had a whole lot of "real-world" experience behind him.

And Bernie is Not Nader and 2000 is not 2016. Situation is a whole lot different.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
28. So searching for some "strange reasons" constitutes a strong/non-weak response ...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:35 PM
Jan 2016

but, the obvious reason is weak?

Okay!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
34. I'm the one he said I think he'll endorse Clinton
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jan 2016

And in my opinion -- MY opinion -- the reasons would have to be strange. But, of course your mileage may vary.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
40. Because Bernie does not equal Nader
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jan 2016

Like I said your mileage may vary, and for legitimate reasons. But comparing Bernie and Nader and 2000 to 2016 would be a strange reason in MY opinion. Moore's mileage may also vary. That's what makes horse racing.

Nader ran as a third party candidate. His campaign was obliviously only a symbolic "spoiler" campaign, as no one was under any illusion he would gain more than a small minority of the vote.

Whether or not you think Bernie is "electable" in the general is a matter of opinion. But he is NOT a symbolic spoiler. Both he and Clinton have a combination of positives and negatives in terms of electability,, and either is a gamble. But all of the metrics -- and the simple evidence of the level of support he has built from scratch in a few months -- show that he at least has the legitimate potential for that.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
60. But he's the next best thing to a third-party candidate.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:23 AM
Jan 2016

He only became a Democrat to get mileage out of the Democratic party. It's what politicians do.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
61. So one is born into a party and must remain there for the rest of their life
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jan 2016

No Republican should ever change their mind and become a Democrat?

No one who has been an independent has a right to decide to join the Democratic Partry?

All I can say is you'd better thank your Lucky Stars that Bernie decided to "get mileage" instead of doing a Nader and run as as an independent. IF all the support he has already generated were diverted into a spoiler campaign in the General, it wold guarantee a GOP victory.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
55. There is no obvious reason.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:00 AM
Jan 2016

HRC is doing worse than Bernie in the polls. She is no more electable than anyone else anymore.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
57. HRC is doing, marginal, worse ...
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jan 2016

After months of attacks from the right and left, and Bernie being virtually ignored.

Moore, might be smart enough to add that into his calculations.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
3. He was really vague. IMO based on what he said it can go either way, but I'd
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

be surprised if he doesn't endorse Sanders

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
4. That's not so much "counterintuitive" as *grotesque*.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

I really don't think he'd sacrifice his credibility.... in its totality.... by doing something that deranged.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
5. look, the guy likes two of the three candidates, he will support who ever wins the primary
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:00 PM
Jan 2016

so I will be happy for him because he gets to be happy who ever wins the primary.

mattvermont

(646 posts)
6. I saw that. I think he was giving props to the clintons for how they respected him
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jan 2016

many years ago. I think he will endorse the Bern, although I do not care much either way.
I care only in that I think Moore is much more bernie than hillary, ideologically. As far as the impact
of endorsements...whatever.

toshiba783

(74 posts)
7. It will definitely be Sanders
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jan 2016

The positive things he said about Hillary pale in comparison to his connection with Sanders.

Honestly though, could he try any harder to look more disheveled and unkempt?

emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
9. My interp of that part of the interview is he will endorse Bernie next week for primary
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:07 PM
Jan 2016

and will actively support the Democratic nominee in the general who ever it is.

He talked about the importance of turnout and voter enthusiasm. Which is one of the things that suggested to me he's gonna endorse Bernie.

He talked about his "forbidden" crush on HRC, said some very positive things about her.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
10. He campaigned for Bernie and has endorsed him ever since.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:07 PM
Jan 2016

So what in the world makes you think he'll endorse Clinton? Do you think he's decided to end his career in a horrible public way? Do you think, well, never mind.

I think you're wrong. here.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. I hope I'm wrong...but I think....
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:15 PM
Jan 2016

he'd just have done the expected thing tonight if he were going to do the expected thiung

Sanity Claws

(21,822 posts)
12. I think he will endorse whoever wins the Democratic nomination
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

Nothing he said indicates that he will endorse anyone while the nomination is still up for grabs.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
19. Moore "said he would be releasing a written endorsement later in the week."
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jan 2016

there's no citation to verify, but I trust Armstead's memory if not his/her prediction.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
30. Armstead is correct ...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jan 2016

when asked about an endorsement, Moore said he was writing a piece, for next week, and that piece would have his endorsement.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
13. Moore will endorse whomever, but...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

he has ALWAYS backed the 99% over the 1%. Even if he believes Clinton is a legitimate progressive, Bernie's brand is Moore's brand.

My guess is that Bernie gets the endorsement.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
56. How fucking awful of him to make a living.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:06 AM
Jan 2016

The only people I have ever heard say what you said tilted pretty far to the right.

Do you not think he should be compensated for his work writing books and making movies and TV shows?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
14. He really does have a crush on Hillary. He has written about it several times in print and
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

on his old discussion board.

HubertHeaver

(2,520 posts)
25. Let's get really convoluted:
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jan 2016

He endorses O'Malley for Vice-president.



ps. Spell check suggested Oakley for O'Malley.


last1standing

(11,709 posts)
29. Endorsing Hillary would be a betrayal of everything he has ever stood for.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:36 PM
Jan 2016

I won't believe he would do that unless it actually happens. If it does happen, I'll know that he has let his fears overwhelm his hopes and dreams for a better nation.

That would be very sad.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
31. HRH voted for the IWR. I honestly don't think he'd ever endorse her. Fahrenheit 911?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

Then throw in her messes in Syria and Libya?

I think Michael is a Bernie guy.

JMCPO, of course.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

I suppose HRH's operative she sent to Michigan could have talked to Michael and offered up some big money to help Flint, but then again, I don't see Michael being bought....ya just never know. Flint's hurting.

Lancero

(2,984 posts)
43. And that's without counting his other works.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jan 2016

The Big One, Sicko, and Capitalism: A Love Story would all point him to supporting Bernie as well.

Bowling for Columbine would likely point him to Clinton, though tbh that's up in the air given Clintons attacks circa 08 on Obama for his 'harsh' stance on gun control.

But yeah, Flint would be the wildcard for this.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
32. That's fine. He can do whatever he wants, and it's fine.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jan 2016

I know I won't vote for her, regardless. It is what it is. I'll still consider him a national treasure.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
42. Hillary said today that people should follow their heads, not their hearts.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jan 2016

Sounds to me like she just told MM to endorse Bernie.



DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
47. I wonder is whoever is receiving his endorsement doesn't want to publicize it
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jan 2016

So many endorsements get a press conference. Michael Moore, a really famous guy that has a big following on the left, is just gonna release a written statement? For one thing, for months he's been making noises in support of Bernie and skeptical of Hillary. He made a movie about how capitalism was bad, for god's sake.

Either there's less enthusiasm from Bernie's camp towards Michael than he expected, or he's quietly been behind Hillary for a while and wanted to keep quiet so as not to alienate anybody. If it's the latter, endorsing Hillary now would say he thinks Bernie has a real shot at the nomination but he's terrified of him being the nominee. Supposedly Elizabeth Warren is making a similar calculation.

I think Moore is free to endorse whoever he wants though. If he thinks Hillary is the best candidate, I will read his case for her candidacy and politely disagree. My respect for him (which is mostly based on finding the film Canadian Bacon incredibly funny) will remain unchanged.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
59. A press conference? What is this, 1973? He'll post it on his website, Tweet it to his 1.9 million
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jan 2016

Twitter followers, that will ricochet all over the media. In addition to not having a live press conference, he will not be sending this endorsement out via Western Union Telegram, carrier pigeon nor will the town criers be sent forth.

Response to Armstead (Original post)

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
51. I appreciate that he had good things to say about both of them
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 02:50 AM
Jan 2016

and reasons to see either of them win.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
58. Some Tweets from Moore during the last debate, odd choices if he's going to endorse Hillary:
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jan 2016

Michael Moore ?@MMFlint 24h24 hours ago
Young people know BS instantly. They have the best truth sniffer. Bernie just lays it all out, and that is refreshing to youth.

Michael Moore ?@MMFlint Jan 17
Hillary preying on people's fears about losing a health care fight to the Republicans instead of sounding like a leader willing to do battle

Michael Moore ?@MMFlint Jan 17
Hillary is against single payer universal health care. That's the simple truth. She supports Wall Street's position to protect insurance co.




I'll add that I first met Bill and Hillary through entertainment mutual friends back before he was even nominee, I also like Hillary personally she has a fantastic sense of humor and she actually listens to other people. Bill is very talented and charming but I'd rather sit and chat with her. But she's against universal health care. She spent 17 years yammering against my right to marry based on the sanctity of her marriage and the religion that created that marriage. She voted for the Iraq War and the Patriot Act.

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