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Reter

(2,188 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:24 PM Jan 2016

Martin O'Malley needs to drop out now and endorse Bernie Sanders

Apologies to the O'Malley fans, but to be blunt he can't win period. The latest CBS/NY Times national poll was Clinton 48, Sanders 41, and O'Malley 2. Nearly all his votes would go to Sanders, which is desperately needed in such a tight race.

Then there's the debates. Bernie's message would be much better projected if it were just one-on-one with Hillary. O'Malley seems to go after Bernie a lot more than Hillary in the debates.

Please, Martin O'Malley. Do the right thing and endorse Sanders!

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Martin O'Malley needs to drop out now and endorse Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Reter Jan 2016 OP
It's all for the greater good! Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #1
The OP did not drag O'Malley through the mud, did not vilify him, and did not pillory him. Maedhros Jan 2016 #27
Right, the OP just totally disrespected O'Malley and is supporters KittyWampus Jan 2016 #43
How is it disrespecting to him or his supporters? Reter Jan 2016 #47
Good lord. Really. libdem4life Jan 2016 #41
Disagree. He's worked hard for months. cali Jan 2016 #2
Agreed. O'Malley should have his fair shot with the John Poet Jan 2016 #31
He definitely has loyalsister Jan 2016 #40
Are we watching the same debates? PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #3
when he's good and ready bigtree Jan 2016 #4
No, he should stay in the race. He's a good man who deserves to be heard. Punkingal Jan 2016 #5
No, he doesn't Scootaloo Jan 2016 #6
The party is stronger every time O'Malley speaks. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #7
Depends which day you compare to her positions i suppose. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #15
There's no evidence that O'Malley voters would go disproportionately--let alone entirely--to Sanders StevieM Jan 2016 #8
PPP just did a poll showing exactly that HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #38
There are a couple problems with your assessment. StevieM Jan 2016 #39
Well, considering Iowa is the only state O'Malley is campaigning in HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #42
Nope, too early to tell anyone to bow out. eom fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #9
He and his supporters will do what they see as the right thing Babel_17 Jan 2016 #10
+1 Well said. n/t FSogol Jan 2016 #17
He needs to stay. pugetres Jan 2016 #11
Thanks. I agree. n/t FSogol Jan 2016 #18
+1. nt tblue37 Jan 2016 #46
No, still a long time till New Hampshire 4139 Jan 2016 #12
and his job is to see to it that Bernie's message is better projected? elleng Jan 2016 #13
Like hell he does. stone space Jan 2016 #14
Of course, everyone should exist to promote your preferred candidate! FSogol Jan 2016 #16
Nope. The other way around. DavidDvorkin Jan 2016 #19
No bigwillq Jan 2016 #20
I stand with MOM and his right to be heard./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #21
No!!!!!!! Peacetrain Jan 2016 #22
No. Agschmid Jan 2016 #23
O'Malley isn't hurting either of the others' chances HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #24
i don't think anyone should drop out before votes are cast. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #25
Agreed, the more progressive voices, the better demwing Jan 2016 #33
No, he doesn't. n/t zappaman Jan 2016 #26
O'Malley hammers both Sanders and Clinton. Hard to know which way his supporters will go. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #28
Unfortunately I have to agree Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #29
Other people need to do what I want so I can be happy anigbrowl Jan 2016 #30
IMO, the man should try to finish what he's worked for demwing Jan 2016 #32
agree about the message and hillary restorefreedom Jan 2016 #36
No he doesn't. There hasn't been an election. He should JRLeft Jan 2016 #34
Staying in is the right thing... one_voice Jan 2016 #35
O'Malley campaigned for Clinton in 2008 RFKHumphreyObama Jan 2016 #37
Disagree. I believe O'Malley should saltpoint Jan 2016 #44
There's no need for O'Malley to drop out right now and endorse Sanders. winter is coming Jan 2016 #45

Blue_Adept

(6,454 posts)
1. It's all for the greater good!
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jan 2016

Get on the Bernie train or be dragged through the mud, vilified and pilloried!

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
27. The OP did not drag O'Malley through the mud, did not vilify him, and did not pillory him.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:04 PM
Jan 2016

Your post is needlessly confrontational, inaccurate, and unnecessary. Perhaps you should re-assess your posting strategies?

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
47. How is it disrespecting to him or his supporters?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jan 2016

I like him, but he can't win and takes away more votes from Bernie than Hillary. Should Pataki have stayed in the GOP race?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. Disagree. He's worked hard for months.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jan 2016

I see no reason why he should drop out before Iowa

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
31. Agreed. O'Malley should have his fair shot with the
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jan 2016

actual voters, of Iowa and New Hampshire at least. Maybe Nevada and South Carolina too.

Sure, an endorsement of Bernie would be nice,
but I don't necessarily see that happening.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
40. He definitely has
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jan 2016

It will be good for us to get to know him more via primaries. I think he would be a great VP for Bernie.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
3. Are we watching the same debates?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jan 2016

I remember him HAMMERING Clinton about to back Glass Steigel.

bigtree

(91,790 posts)
4. when he's good and ready
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jan 2016

...he's no flack for Bernie or anyone else.

Martin O'Malley is running for president and is asking for voter's support. Be sure and watch him on the debate stage Sunday with the other two leading candidates in our party.


Martin O'Malley ?@MartinOMalley
#GOPDebate was ultimate #TBT. If you think we can do better, need new leadership to build on @POTUS' progress visit: http://martinomalley.com/join

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. The party is stronger every time O'Malley speaks.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jan 2016

He should have a podium at the debates.

I don't agree your thoughts are "the right thing."

I also think O'Malley is more in line with Clinton than Sanders.

StevieM

(10,574 posts)
8. There's no evidence that O'Malley voters would go disproportionately--let alone entirely--to Sanders
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:33 PM
Jan 2016

And you don't know that O'Malley would prefer Sanders to Clinton. Maybe he honestly prefers Clinton between the two.

And I hardly think it is fair to say that endorsing one candidate or the other is the "right thing to do." People endorse based on who they want to win, based on their own beliefs and preferences. Everyone is entitled to their own endorsement, just as everyone is entitled to their own vote.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
38. PPP just did a poll showing exactly that
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jan 2016
https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/687999697034833924

43% of O'Malley's supporters in Iowa would choose Bernie as their second choice while only 20% would choose Clinton.

StevieM

(10,574 posts)
39. There are a couple problems with your assessment.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jan 2016

First, that is only one state, and a caucus state at that. It doesn't speak to the later contests. In 2008 Edwards was believed to have hurt Obama more in Iowa, but Clinton more in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Second, that is a 23 point margin, or the equivalent of 61.35 to 38.5 for Sanders. The person I was responding to suggested that virtually all O'Malley voters would go to Sanders.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
42. Well, considering Iowa is the only state O'Malley is campaigning in
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jan 2016

I'd say that makes it relevant. It's also the state where he polls the highest (5% max).

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
10. He and his supporters will do what they see as the right thing
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jan 2016

Governor O'Malley got in it so as to offer both himself and his message. People might not be swarming to support him but that doesn't mean he needs to stay quiet. Opponents can drop out for a multitude of reasons, there was Tsongas, and there was Hart. O'Malley is acceptable to the party and could take the lead in a two person race.

Let things run their course. I say this as a Sanders supporter who would welcome his endorsement of Sanders.

If the writing is on the wall after this upcoming debate, and the next round of polling, then it's possible O'Malley will think about dropping out. Endorsements are another matter.

 

pugetres

(507 posts)
11. He needs to stay.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

He's a good man with good ideas and the debates are better when he can share his ideas.

elleng

(139,717 posts)
13. and his job is to see to it that Bernie's message is better projected?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jan 2016

How about Bernie, hrc, and the electorate learn about Martin O'Malley's message, and his PLANS, many of which have already been adopted by Bernie and hrc without attribution, in spite of the fact the Dem ptb, and the msm, don't want anyone to know about him.

For everyone's information:

15 Goals to Rebuild the American Dream
https://martinomalley.com/category/15-goals/

Addiction treatment and prevention
https://martinomalley.com/policy/addiction-treatment-and-prevention/

Criminal Justice Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/criminal-justice/

Making College Debt Free for all Americans
https://martinomalley.com/policy/make-college-debt-free/

Holding Wall Street Accountable
https://14d2r744okfe40r1ug1oqm6y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Wall-Street-Reform.pdf

Expanding Social Security
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/expanding-social-security/

Homeland Security
https://martinomalley.com/vision/homeland-security/

Immigration
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/immigration/

National Service
https://martinomalley.com/national-service/

Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/

Foreign Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/truman-national-security/

Gun Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/preventing-and-reducing-gun-violence/

Trade Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/trade-policy/

Campaign Finance Reform (Restoring our American Democracy)
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/restoring-our-american-democracy/

Why We Need a Constitutional Amendment to Secure the Right to Vote:
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/news/right-to-vote/

Veterans and Military Families
https://martinomalley.com/policy/veterans/

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
14. Like hell he does.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jan 2016

O'Malley needs to stay in the race and continue to push the other candidates to the left.

I want my candidate to come out unequivocally against corporate legal givaways to gun manufacturers.

O'Malley's voice on this issue is hugely important for that to happen.

I also appreaciate greatly his voice on immigration issues.

He needs to stay in the race, no matter what the outcome of my state's caucus is on Feb 1.



HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
24. O'Malley isn't hurting either of the others' chances
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jan 2016

IA's system is already built to deal with low support; he'll have to prove viability to win any delegates in IA.

So in places where he doesn't reach viability his supporters have to make another choice.

It's his chance to run for what he believes. Let him run until he doesn't want to anymore.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
25. i don't think anyone should drop out before votes are cast.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jan 2016

unless they want to. bernie's future does not ride on martin's choices, but rather his own campaigning and message. he has serious momentum now, and clinton is having big time trouble. lets get through some early states, and i am sure any candidate getting few votes at that point on either side has options to reassess.

martin brings an important progressive voice to this fight. the more people pounding the authentic progressive message the better, imo.

emulatorloo

(45,811 posts)
28. O'Malley hammers both Sanders and Clinton. Hard to know which way his supporters will go.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jan 2016

He is his own man, and the decision is up to him.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
29. Unfortunately I have to agree
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jan 2016

He's had his changes. He's a good man, deserves respect but....

He doesn't have a chance at this point

If he really wants to support a Progressive - Liberal Agenda, it's time to drop out and not embarrass himself in Iowa.

Leave with dignity



 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
30. Other people need to do what I want so I can be happy
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jan 2016

Invoking the spectre of an objective external necessity is a manipulative propaganda tactic, but it needed to be said.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
32. IMO, the man should try to finish what he's worked for
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jan 2016

for himself and for his supporters. I think he should stay as long as he sees a path to whatever goal he's pursuing

As far as the debates go, I'm convinced that having another candidate on the stage - saying the same thing as Bernie - helps Bernie. The two of them in tandem, but not in cahoots, makes Hillary look old school and out of touch.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
36. agree about the message and hillary
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jan 2016

also, to drop out before the first contest would be a huge disappointment to supporters. if one has to, then fine, but if he doesn't, no reason to disappoint people who are looking forward to voting for him.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
34. No he doesn't. There hasn't been an election. He should
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:49 PM
Jan 2016

drop out whenever he feels like it.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
35. Staying in is the right thing...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:01 PM
Jan 2016

What's best for your candidate isn't O'Malley's concern. What's best for the country is.

He's a good candidate, with outstanding policy ideas. He belongs in the this race. Too many have tried to make this Hillary v Bernie, they've done their damndest to push him out. Leave him be and let him be heard.

Go O'Malley!!!

RFKHumphreyObama

(15,164 posts)
37. O'Malley campaigned for Clinton in 2008
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jan 2016

Even when Maryland went for Obama in the primaries, O'Malley still reiterated his commitment and support for the Clinton campaign..

There is nothing in O'Malley's record to suggest that he is hostile to the Clinton campaign or that he prefers Sanders over Clinton. in fact I'd argue the opposite, that O'Malley's politics and ideology are much closer to Clinton's than they are to Sanders

There's also no evidence that O'Malley's supporters would somehow magically flock over to Sanders if he withdrew. In fact I'd suggest that much of this support comes from Democratic voting blocs who aren't enthusiastic about Clinton but consider Sanders too far left to be a viable alternative. I suspect if he withdrew, most of them would go over to Clinton

O'Malley is not obligated to be at the beck and call of your favourite candidate. And if he does withdraw and his supporters are freed from their commitment to him, I suspect you might not like whom he endorses or where his supporters go

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
44. Disagree. I believe O'Malley should
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jan 2016

remain in the race as long as he can.

I like having our three true and intelligent public servants on our debate stage while the Republicans load their stage with psychofascists.

A very strong contrast may be made. Martin O'Malley has helped make it.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
45. There's no need for O'Malley to drop out right now and endorse Sanders.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 03:02 AM
Jan 2016

I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to drop out after a few primaries unless his numbers go up, but there's no need for him to do it now. Can't say I see much benefit accruing to Sanders, even if he did drop out, since O'Malley already tends to get the short end of the stick with respect to debate time.

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