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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:18 PM

Crown of Thorns?

They keep talking about saving the crown of thorn relic from Notre Dame, "which many believe.."

Are they serious? Was it stored next to the unicorn horn and dragon's teeth.

Absurdity in the face of tragedy.

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Reply Crown of Thorns? (Original post)
edhopper Apr 2019 OP
democratisphere Apr 2019 #1
edhopper Apr 2019 #6
democratisphere Apr 2019 #10
edhopper Apr 2019 #11
democratisphere Apr 2019 #13
edhopper Apr 2019 #14
Farmer-Rick Jun 2019 #27
mountain grammy Apr 2019 #17
JoeOtterbein Apr 2019 #2
Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #19
Lefta Dissenter Apr 2019 #3
edhopper Apr 2019 #8
Farmer-Rick Jun 2019 #28
edhopper Jun 2019 #29
samnsara Apr 2019 #4
edhopper Apr 2019 #9
edhopper Apr 2019 #12
PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #5
dhol82 Apr 2019 #7
Duppers Apr 2019 #15
DavidDvorkin Apr 2019 #16
Brainstormy Apr 2019 #18
NeoGreen Apr 2019 #21
lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #20
NeoGreen Apr 2019 #22
lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #23
Lady Freedom Returns May 2019 #24
The Genealogist May 2019 #25
defacto7 May 2019 #26

Response to edhopper (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:21 PM

1. Sometimes people need to have something they can believe in.

Specially in these times.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:45 PM

6. It is never good to believe in lies

It's not good for Trump supporters and not good for these believers.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:23 PM

10. The Crown I would file under "harmless white" where no one is hurt.

drumpf gets filed under "destructive evil dark" where many and most are being seriously hurt.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:30 PM

11. Believing that it is real

and that the biblical story of Jesus is true is not harmless.

Since when do we accept false beliefs on this forum?

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Response to edhopper (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:52 PM

13. The Crown is mostly symbolic.

No harm, no foul.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:11 PM

14. I wish

every report talks about how people, and the Church say it is real.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 2, 2019, 10:34 AM

27. It is harmful and foul to believe in lies.

It sets you up for believing in other lies. How can you make rational decisions if you are prone to believe fantasies? How can you know what is true and not true if you accept myths as truth? It distorts you logical thought processes.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:32 AM

17. Yeah but the world would be

a far better place if that something was truth and science.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:27 PM

2. If I remember my history correctly, Martin Luther led an uprising against...

...the church selling phony relics. All these years later they are still selling the same phony stories about relics.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:48 AM

19. I'm sure Luther had some other reasons besides the relics.

Like, 94 of them, to be precise.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:41 PM

3. I'm an atheist,

But I still teared up when I heard that they had saved some of the relics, including the crown of thorns. I can be empathetic about the heartbreak of my fellow man without believing all of the specifics of the history of each particular item.

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Response to Lefta Dissenter (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:51 PM

8. I am also glad they saved so much

but I have seen at least three reports that just talk about this fake with complete credulity.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 2, 2019, 10:37 AM

28. Yeah, if the media would simply call it a relic and not go on about the religious crap

It would be less of a danger to rational thought.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 2, 2019, 10:54 AM

29. When it comes to religion

the media is never rational.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:43 PM

4. as an astheist..an artist and an anthropologist...

..I am thrilled it was saved!

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Response to samnsara (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:52 PM

9. And the reports

that give credence to it being genuine?

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Response to samnsara (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:32 PM

12. to ba it's not presented a

a fake relic from the 9th Century. That is anthropology.

The real crown of thorns is religious hooey.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:43 PM

5. I first heard that it was a thorn from the crown of thorns.

I'm honestly appalled and discouraged that anyone would believe such a relic exists, or is real. Even assuming that the Jesus Christ of the New Testament existed (and there's almost no evidence he did), and that the story narrated in the NT is somewhat accurate, no sensible person should be capable of believing that the crown of thorns or the cross was saved, and then cut up into little bits centuries later.

I'm okay (well, not really, but I'll pretend I am) if you believe in Jesus Christ and his divinity and all that. But please, please don't insult me by trying to claim that the crown of thorns or that splinters from the true cross really exist.

Hey, I have a bridge you might want to buy.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:46 PM

7. Hey, it was a big thing back in the thirteenth century.

Now, maybe not so much.
However, they had a whiz bang cover made up for it that was super neat!
Some people need to believe.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:17 PM

15. "Stored next to the unicorn horn and dragon's teeth" 😂

Perfect! My thoughts too.

In a historic/architectural sense, it was sad to see so much of Notre Dame burn. I was sincerely sad. However, when they began touting these fantasy artifacts as real things, I went into a hair-pulling/"are you serious?!" mode.

It is, as you wrote, "Absurdity in the face of tragedy."

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:29 PM

16. Indeed.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:10 AM

18. Not to worry

I also heard on CNN that they're worried about religious relics, like the pieces of the True Cross and the Crown of Thorns, that are held there. Just to reassure you, the True Cross can still be visited in Jerusalem, Rome, Belgium, Italy, France, Spain, Israel, Serbia, Turkey, and (I shit you not) Boalsburg, Pennsylvania. Oh, and there are some on eBay. And there are sixty to seventy crowns of thorns, or pieces of crowns of thorns, or just thorns, some still verdant and fresh, adored by pilgrims all over the world. If you’re not hung up on authenticity, you can even purchase, on Amazon, an Authentic Crowns of Thorns from the Holy Land, in gift box, complete with illustrated certificate of origin. So, don't worry.

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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 08:18 AM

21. A teacher in high school explained that if you put all the pieces of the 'Tru Cross" ...

...that were sold during medieval times together in one piece, it would make a beam more that 100-feet long.

Lost my trademarked "Tru Cross™" in the headline.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:35 PM

20. Only magic thorns last 2000 years. You'd have to be gullible

To believe regular thorns would last more than a few years.....

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 08:23 AM

22. Or some very special...

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Response to NeoGreen (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 05:41 PM

23. Yeah: LOTS of that.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2019, 02:30 AM

24. What can I say?

People still fall for pyramid scams too.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 09:54 PM

25. A quick look at Wikipedia reveals...

"For the first four centuries there was no extra-biblical mention of the crown of thorns." Then later regarding what was apparently in Notre Dame,"The relic that the Church received is a twisted circlet of rushes of Juncus balticus, a plant native to maritime areas of northern Britain, the Baltic and Scandinavia." I guess that they didn't have enough material in Roman Palestine and had to import it? I am guessing this is left out of the brochures?

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 11:43 PM

26. The more I think about it the more I wish the relics

had been destroyed. I don't mean to be insensitive but if they had ceased to exist it would be less nonsense to hang on to. Those who believed would have eventually gotten over it and moved on instead of holding on to those spiritual binkeys.

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