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PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 12:51 PM Sep 2015

Dropping this here in honor of Pope-a-palooza



It truly is time to quit the Catholic Church.

There are lots of exciting possibilities on the horizon for combatting HIV and AIDS. HIV vaccines are around the corner. Unfortunately, the vaccine may not help the millions of Africans condemned to this illness by the Catholic Church’s stance against condoms. This summer Roman Catholic bishops in Kenya went even further, organizing a boycott of polio vaccines. Last year, the church urged Catholic Kenyans to boycott the tetanus vaccine, claiming that it was “a covert means of controlling the country’s population.”

The Catholic Church is killing people. Not by pulling a trigger or wielding a weapon, but by imposing Dark Age ideas on a vulnerable population.

This needs to be stated clearly: The Catholic Church is morally responsible for the deaths of millions of Africans. Those that have not died as a result of imposing this theology, the Church would now like to saddle with polio and tetanus.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/freethoughtnow/were-all-africans-stand-against-hivaids-polio-and-the-catholic-church/
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Dropping this here in honor of Pope-a-palooza (Original Post) PeaceNikki Sep 2015 OP
Happy to rec this. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #1
It's already happening. There was another call for a "Sanders/Pope Francis" ticket for POTUS PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #3
It is. One of the reasons I support Bernie is because of his dedication to protecting our rights. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #4
But he's trying to turn the Titanic with a dingiee PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #5
Hysterical wimmenz! Don't we know he can't change the church overnight! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #6
Reading this stuff just makes me want to *scream* at liberal Catholics PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #7
Someone posted about the vaccine boycott in the other forum. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #9
oh, ffs PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #11
Who does he think he is? The Pope? Jeff Murdoch Sep 2015 #8
Ikr? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #10
Here you go...prepare to hurl... onager Sep 2015 #13
Argh. Thanks for the warning, I was about to eat lunch. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #14
Hey, student rates Lordquinton Sep 2015 #2
Exit En Mass progressoid Sep 2015 #12
I think I need to stay away from DU till this visit is over. LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #15
I know. I know. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #16
It's pretty bad isn't it? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #17
Encountered a "Who's your favourite pope" thread today... uriel1972 Sep 2015 #18
I saw one wondering why people didn't complain when the Dalai Lama spoke before congress. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #19
That's the one, I'm thinking it was one of the Sylvesters... uriel1972 Sep 2015 #20
I went with pope Joan on that one LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #21

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
1. Happy to rec this.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:03 PM
Sep 2015

Am SO looking forward to the gushing articles about the "progressive" pope that we're going to have to endure soon.

Because paying lip service to the poor really makes up for condemning women to a lifetime of poverty by denying them birth control.





PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
3. It's already happening. There was another call for a "Sanders/Pope Francis" ticket for POTUS
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:05 PM
Sep 2015

the other day.

People are completely clueless as to how fucking offensive that is, even in jest.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
4. It is. One of the reasons I support Bernie is because of his dedication to protecting our rights.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:10 PM
Sep 2015

The upcoming speeches will be hard to take, I love hearing from men who love me so much they want to force me to give birth for the Church.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. Hysterical wimmenz! Don't we know he can't change the church overnight!
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:19 PM
Sep 2015

That's why he's not even trying!!!






PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
7. Reading this stuff just makes me want to *scream* at liberal Catholics
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:44 PM
Sep 2015
The World Health Organisation has expressed concern after Kenya's Catholic Bishops issued a call to boycott the country's Polio vaccination program

The polio virus attacks the nervous system, and can cause someone to be paralysed within hours. It mostly hits children under the age of 5, and there is no cure.

Eradicating the virus requires immunising every child until it has nobody left it can spread to.

"Kenya is one of the countries in the “wild poliovirus importation belt” – a band of countries stretching from west Africa to central Africa and the Horn of Africa, which are recurrently re-infected with imported poliovirus," according to the World Polio Eradicaiton Initiative.

According to Christian Today this is the second time the Catholic Bishops have opposed a vaccination effort, as they mounted a campaign against a Tetanus vaccine last year citing fears that it was "being used as a covert means of controlling the country's population."

...

Kenya's government meanwhile is less than pleased.

"Any attempts aimed at mobilizing the public against taking their children for vaccination is a serious violation of the right of children to health and survival," said Dr. Nicholas Muraguri, director of Kenya's Medical Services, in the statement according to the National Catholic Reporter.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/2015/07/31/Catholic-Church-makes-things-easier-for-Polio-in-Kenya


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
9. Someone posted about the vaccine boycott in the other forum.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:54 PM
Sep 2015

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And one of the staunchest apologists said they will never set foot in a Catholic Church in Kenya!

Because it's more important to be outraged by criticism of the Church than the people it harms.




Orac had this to say about the vaccine myths being promoted by Catholics in Kenya:

Catholic doctors and priests versus the tetanus vaccine in Kenya
Posted by Orac on November 13, 2014

Of the many lies and myths about vaccines that stubbornly persist despite all evidence showing them not only to be untrue but to be risibly, pseudoscientifically untrue, among whose number are myths that vaccines cause autism, sudden infant death syndrome, and a syndrome that so resembles shaken baby syndrome (more correctly called abusive head trauma) that shaken baby syndrome is a misdiagnosis for vaccine injury, the lie that vaccines are being used for population control is one of the most persistent. In this myth, vaccines are not designed to protect the populations of impoverished nations against diseases like the measles, which still kills hundreds of thousands of people a year outside of developed countries. Oh, no. Rather, according to this myth, vaccines are in fact a surreptitious instrument of population control designed to render people sterile.

You might recall how a few years ago antivaccinationists leaped on a statement by Bill Gates that “if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that [population] by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.” They used it to accuse Gates of being a eugenicist and that vaccines were in actuality an instrument of global depopulation. It was a ridiculous charge of course. In context, it was clear that Gates was referring to how the expected population increase from 6.8 billion to 9 billion could be blunted with good health care; in other words, he was referring to how good health care could decrease the rate of population growth, not how vaccines could be used to depopulate the world. However, because of the prevalence of the myth that vaccines are sterilizing agents intended for global depopulation, the charge that Gates is a eugenicist, as batshit nuts as it obviously is to reasonable people, resonated in the anti-science world of antivaccinationists. Similar claims, namely that there is “something” in vaccines that results in infertility and sterilization, have been unfortunately very effective in frightening people in Third World countries and have played a major role in antivaccine campaigns that have delayed the eradication of polio.

...

Lest you think that this obsession over vaccination as a cause of infertility is limited to Kenya and other Third World countries, consider this. The very same theme frequently appears in antivaccine rants against Gardasil, which has been blamed without evidence for premature ovarian failure. Another favorite antivaccine trope is that polysorbate-80, which is used in some vaccines, causes infertility. Yes, we in the “advanced” First World nations are as prone to falling for these lies as Kenyans. Never forget that.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/11/13/catholic-doctors-and-priests-versus-the-tetanus-vaccine-in-kenya/


onager

(9,356 posts)
13. Here you go...prepare to hurl...
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:02 PM
Sep 2015

"A Humble Star in a Celebrity-Saturated World"

A great big steaming pile delivered up by syndicated columnist Ann McFeatters. I read this one at my Mom's house. She kept wondering why I was making those weird strangling noises. (I was fighting the urge to scream at the newspaper.)

One interesting bit - sounds like NY City was worried about a big enough crowd turning out. So the city brought in Harry Connick Jr. and other celebs to warm up the crowd before His Popiness arrived.

But oh no, don't you dare call the Pope a mere "celebrity." Even thought he's the headliner on a stage full of celebrities. He's just a 'umble godly defender of the poor etc.

http://www.timesheraldonline.com/opinion/20150917/ann-mcfeatters-a-humble-star-in-a-celebrity-saturated-world

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. Argh. Thanks for the warning, I was about to eat lunch.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:09 PM
Sep 2015
We must be realistic about the pope's visit. He is a wonderful role model; he will not make miracles happen for American Catholics.

The pope's visit, we hope, will be a refreshing antidote to our jaded state and the appalling condition of many of our once cherished institutions before scandals rocked them.


A wonderful role model for whom?

Politicians who want to appear like they care about women and lgbt people while keeping them oppressed?

Yeah the PR pope sure is a great example of how to successfully rebrand and sell misogyny and homophobia to the ignorant public.

Republicans should pay attention, they need all the help they can get.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
2. Hey, student rates
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:04 PM
Sep 2015

Great ad, and the only refutations to all that is something about it being the political wing of the church or something.

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
15. I think I need to stay away from DU till this visit is over.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 12:42 PM
Sep 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]All the pope threads are already making me want to:[/font]

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
17. It's pretty bad isn't it?
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:58 PM
Sep 2015

Even Obama hopped on the "our rights are given to us by God" bandwagon today.

Um, no, they're given to us by the CONSTITUTION.

The God humpers are the ones trying to take away our rights, remember?



uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
18. Encountered a "Who's your favourite pope" thread today...
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:57 PM
Sep 2015

There were a few taking the OP to task, who claims to have no skin in the fight because they are an atheist. Sounds like a Faitheist to me.

My favourite Pope is the one who held the "Corpse Synod" that was so bug nutz crazy, I can't but help laughing.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. I saw one wondering why people didn't complain when the Dalai Lama spoke before congress.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:01 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:49 PM - Edit history (1)




Are you talking about this guy?:




In 1870, the year when the newly created Kingdom of Italy carried out the Capture of Rome and put an end to the Pope's temporal power, Laurens made this painting of the Cadaver Synod, a notorious Medieval event reflecting badly on the Papacy's reputation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaver_Synod

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
21. I went with pope Joan on that one
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:32 PM
Sep 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Only make sense to choose a pope as real as the RCC's god.[/font]

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