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Rainforestgoddess

(436 posts)
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:48 PM Apr 2015

Religion in the comi-x guest column

I defer greatly to the expertise of Cartoonist in the subject of history of comics, but apparently I have more knowledge in a certain sub section. So the following is a not nearly as great a column on the X-Men graphic novel known as 'God Loves, Man Kills'.

As most people know, X-Men is a (sometimes not very) subtle metaphor for the outsider in society. It started as a stand in for racism, given the time frame of its genesis. The 1960's. It has more recently been a metaphor for gay rights, and has also revealed a new/old gay character. Yes, this is confusing because multiple universes plus time travel = new/old characters. If you ask, you may get more than you have bargained for, because I WILL answer!

God Loves, Man Kills is the graphic novel that X2 X-Men United (the movie) was loosely based on. It was released in the 1980's.

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The premise of the story is that William Styker, a religious zealot of the worst sort has decided that mutants are contrary to god's law and should be exterminated (x-terminated?) (**!!3X73RM1N473D!!**? <---this is my Dalek impression, and I have now truly revealed the depths of my geekery) He even goes so far as to murder his own wife and newborn son when the son is born a mutant. He leads a group called the purifiers. You can guess their goal from their name. [As an interesting sidebar, the producer of the xmovies at the time is an outspoken Christian. He changed the character of Stryker from a preacher to a military man. This changes the premise from the dangers of religious extremism vis-a-vis genocide to the dangers of an out of control general convincing the public genocide is a good idea. But time frame wise, pre 9-11, pre politics of fox/fear it doesn't make quite as much sense plot-wise, in my opinion]


The graphic novel opens with probably Magneto's first sympathetic moment in all of the x-men universe. He is mourning the death of two children who were executed only because they are mutants.

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Xavier and Stryker have a television debate, and afterward, Stryker manages to kidnap Xavier and a couple of other Xmen. He tortures and brainwashes Xavier into believing that mutants are evil and should be eradicated. His plan is to use Xavier's prodigious mental powers to find and kill all the mutants. The X-Men team up with Magneto to find and rescue Xavier.


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After a period of days of the torture, Xavier is hooked up to a machine similar to his computer Cerebro (which helps him to identify and locate mutants by amplifying his telepathy) this will allow him to kill all mutants by frying their brains, basically. Stryker is preaching at a big to-do in a stadium, when our intrepid team arrive. Magneto gets to be super dramatic, and Shadowcat and Nightcrawler manage to goad Stryker to admit his nefarious doings in front of the crowd, which includes a closeted, popular US Senator. Stryker is shot in the chest by a security guard when he tries to kill Shadowcat in front of the crowd.


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Magneto and Xavier almost decide to join forces, but the more idealistic Cyclops makes a pretty speech and that doesn't pan out in the end. Because Magneto is a bad guy and could never be part of the good guy team. Oh wait....

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This book is an indictment of religious EXTREMISM, not religion per se. Nightcrawler/Kurt Wagner is a devout Catholic (well, debatable right now, since he died and was brought back, but doesn't have a soul at least for now) Kitty Pride/Shadowcat is Jewish, Logan/James Howlett/Wolverine is atheist though he has been to both heaven and hell. You might just say that X-Men is the interfaith of the comics universe. Check it out. Considered by a whole lot of geekier people than I am to be a definitive X-book. http://www.amazon.com/X-Men-Loves-Marvel-Graphic-Novels/dp/0939766221

Also check out this podcast - Rachel and Miles xplain the X-men. Here's the episode where they talk about this issue http://www.rachelandmiles.com/xmen/?p=2334

I will now return you to your regularly scheduled religion in the comics column.











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Religion in the comi-x guest column (Original Post) Rainforestgoddess Apr 2015 OP
That is one of the first graphic novels I ever read and remains one of my favorites LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #1
Great line Rainforestgoddess Apr 2015 #4
Fabian Nicieza and Scott Lobdell were the writers and Andy Kubert the artist LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #6
Somewhere I have that series Lordquinton Apr 2015 #8
The Iceman Cometh Out Cartoonist Apr 2015 #2
It's young Bobby that's coming out Rainforestgoddess Apr 2015 #3
Rec'ing for geek appeal! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #5
Here's a great pic of one of GB's finest knights: mr blur Apr 2015 #7
He's wonderful. Rainforestgoddess Apr 2015 #9
That pic is a shop Lordquinton Apr 2015 #10
I know. This is the original: mr blur Apr 2015 #11
ah I misread Lordquinton Apr 2015 #12
So.... AlbertCat Apr 2015 #13

LostOne4Ever

(9,381 posts)
1. That is one of the first graphic novels I ever read and remains one of my favorites
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:05 PM
Apr 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Speaking of the interfaith of the X-men, Magneto (my favorite character) is a Jewish Atheist himself.

There was a time where they tried to retcon him into a gypsy but the Jewish identity stuck.

There is a scene in the fatal attractions arc where it shows Magento hovering over earth and says something along the lines of "He silently says a pray to a god he stopped believing in long ago."

EDIT: Also wanted to say that X2 is still my favorite X-men movie...but what do you expect from the one movie with nightcrawler in it [/font]

LostOne4Ever

(9,381 posts)
6. Fabian Nicieza and Scott Lobdell were the writers and Andy Kubert the artist
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:26 AM
Apr 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]It was the issue where he ripped the metal out of Wolverines bones.[/font]



Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
8. Somewhere I have that series
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:30 PM
Apr 2015

In some box, I remember tracking down the hologram covers, and patiently waiting for Wolverine #75 (which is the one where he gets his skeleton torn out, and then Charles mind wipes Magneto and takes him home to reprogram. Then wolverine's skeleton comes back as a supervillain and... Yea Fatal Attractions was the top and they went down hill for a while after that.)

Cartoonist

(7,353 posts)
2. The Iceman Cometh Out
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:47 PM
Apr 2015

I read today that there are plans to have Iceman come out as gay. So would two "contrary to God's law" cancel each other out?

Rainforestgoddess

(436 posts)
3. It's young Bobby that's coming out
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:08 PM
Apr 2015

With hints that old Bobby has subconsciously repressed that part of himself because coming out as mutant and gay back in the day would have just been too much. That being said, old Bobby has not had a good track record with relationships.

Rainforestgoddess

(436 posts)
9. He's wonderful.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:31 PM
Apr 2015

I'd love to hear him read out some of the worst comic book purple prose. That would make my day.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
10. That pic is a shop
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:31 PM
Apr 2015

he's wearing the same shirt as everyone else, but I'm sure he he has that sentiment (He certainly wears it on his face)

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
12. ah I misread
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:47 PM
Apr 2015

And I love smashing people's dreams, it's why I'm an atheist after all.
I wouldn't be suprised if he had one of those shirts made tho. I sure would.

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