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Related: About this forumExclusive Q&A With A British ISIS Fighter
From 5 Pillarz, a British Muslim website. "DH" is Dilly Hussain, the interviewer. If any DU Muslims are lurking, I'd like to hear their opinions of this.
Posted as an example of the truly awesome power of religious brainwashing.
e.g., Mr. Blur and Leftish Brit, watch out...
HB: I dont wish to return to the UK but the only time I would ever return would be with an army, an army sent by Abu Bakr al Baghdadi on a mission to expand the Islamic State. If tomorrow Abu Bakr al Baghdadi says we will pray salat al fajr in Buckingham Palace then bididhnillah tomorrow we will pray fajr in Buckingham Palace.
(Bididhnillah = "by Allah's will." Many Muslims frequently sprinkle that phrase into their conversations. Along with Alhamdulillah seen below - "thank God." )
But who would want to leave? The new I.S. is a paradise on Earth! It's like the best of communism and capitalism combined!
HB: Alhamdulillah life under the Islamic State is good. The Islamic State offers the Muslims protection and security. If you are married you get a free house from the state, and you also get free furniture, gas, water and electric. Also, all the fighters receive wages, and if you have a wife and kids they get paid too.
Seeing Allahs laws being implemented and all the shops closing at prayer times is beautiful. Also all the females must wear niqab and are fully covered. Crime has also dropped since the establishment of the Islamic State. There is no better place to live right now than here.
He talks a lot about the Khilafah, which most of us infidels know as "re-establishing the Caliphate." Googling that term will be more useful than me fumbling around trying to explain it.
A couple of other useful concepts - guys like this basically divide the world into two parts:
Dar as-Salam - the House of Peace, Islamic countries under the rule of Sharia law. Like the new I.S.
Dar al-Harb - the House of War. Everywhere else. a/k/a Dar al-Garb, "house of the West." Which is more or less what it really means today.
http://www.5pillarz.com/2014/09/24/exclusive-q-and-a-with-a-british-isis-fighter/
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)who is being used for a very different purpose.
onager
(9,356 posts)Reminds me a little of a man I knew when I lived in Saudi Arabia.
He was one of the very few Muslims who ever overtly tried to convert me. Used the "intellectual" approach but dropped the whole thing fairly quickly when I didn't respond.
And well-equipped to argue intellectually - he had a PhD from an American university. Belonged to a rich family pretty high up in the Saudi govt. He didn't come across as someone gullible or easily led.
He told me that in the 1980's, he helped carry "humanitarian aid" to the mujahedeen in Afghanistan. I suspect "humanitarian aid" was spelled "AK-47" but that is just my suspicion.
In the 1990s he went to Bosnia, I guess carrying more "aid." He was killed there.
Thinking of people like that keeps me awake nights.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)they will believe any old bullshit and can be made to do anything in exchange for being allowed to feel 'holy' and special.
Bear in mind that England is still far from being a third-world country; it's not like they're being rescued from hunger and poverty in return for killing.
It' s fucking sad and depressing, that's what it is.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)of the 60s and 70s.
Back then the rebels were all about permanent revolution to implement socialist utopia (or just look jaunty in a beret with an AK47 slung over their shoulders, that part hasn't changed).
Time has moved on and now we live in much more religious and conservative times. Since the 80s the fundie form of islam has been indoctrinated into certain communities so their rebellion takes the form of something very reactionary.
(In fact most forms of rebellion seem to be RW these days).
GeorgeGist
(25,293 posts)remove Abu Bakr al Baghdadi.