Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:04 PM
Fundamentalist Evangelicals: Experts by their own declaration, especially regarding ToleranceLast edited Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Fundamentalist Evangelicals OBVIOUSLY know what's best for the rest of us, aren't the least bit hesitant about stating that ENDLESSLY to anyone who'll listen. As most of us are already apparently aware.
Yet many of those same Evangelicals have what we (the tolerant sectarians) recognize to be twisted values, they'll quote Jesus and the New testament ONLY to the extent that it aligns with their NEW IMPROVED value system, a system that's morphed well outside of the new testament framework. An IMPROVED value system that without hesitation decries Wealth to be "Godly", and Immense Wealth to be representative of the "Blessings and Approval" implied by that. Doesn't matter where the money came from, right? Cumulative Wealth is the equivalent of "Absolution" for that purpose under these rules 
PREVIOUSLY POSTED: Right Wing Fundamentalists assure us that current supporters of Jesus needn’t REALLY follow his example, their worldly wealth should NOT be given over to the poor, for instance, since under current Evangelical Fundamentalist standards Excessive Wealth among church members (AND Church Leadership) represents APPROVAL from and by God. Thus TAXES are (by WingNut logic) an imposition equivalent to giving money to the poor, can’t have THAT, can we? Because $ are of greater importance than GOD (or people), Greed is Good to paraphrase
And by current Fundamentalist standards, Immense Wealth is GODLY. END. Militant Evangelicals (Santorum Et Al) speak out of "Both sides of their mouths" as the saying goes. http://open.salon.com/blog/isaiahlcarter/2012/02/16/small_government#comment_2825066 And don't hesitate to use the religious faith of others in support of their own Political Ambitions. http://open.salon.com/blog/jimmy_zuma/2012/01/05/the_republican_religious_war#comment_2765301 With the rest of us paying the hidden "Costs" of those opportunistic, cynical manipulations. Even in terms of lives lost, regarding limitless Middle East war ventures. http://open.salon.com/blog/m_kitt/2012/01/07/gocomics_policies_of_censorship_reprisal#comment_2766717 And let's not forget the lives we've already allowed to be wasted. http://open.salon.com/blog/chauncey_devega/2012/03/19/trayvon_martin_and_life_lessons_for_young_black_boys#comment_2868424
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Author | Time | Post |
 Fundamentalist Evangelicals: Experts by their own declaration, especially regarding Tolerance (Original post) |
M Kitt | Apr 2013 | OP |
| DetlefK | Apr 2013 | #1 | |
| M Kitt | Apr 2013 | #2 | |
| Mr.Bill | Oct 2013 | #10 | |
| amorosotom | Nov 2013 | #12 | |
| gopiscrap | Nov 2013 | #13 | |
| FiveGoodMen | Nov 2013 | #14 | |
| Curmudgeoness | Apr 2013 | #3 | |
| M Kitt | Apr 2013 | #4 | |
| hrmjustin | May 2013 | #5 | |
| Silver Gaia | May 2013 | #6 | |
| M Kitt | May 2013 | #7 | |
| Silver Gaia | May 2013 | #8 | |
| M Kitt | May 2013 | #9 | |
| dimbear | Oct 2013 | #11 |
Response to M Kitt (Original post)
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 07:09 AM
1. If they are allowed to cherry-pick which parts of their religion they'll obey...
Response to amorosotom (Reply #12)
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:57 AM
gopiscrap (15,801 posts)
13. welcome to DU
Response to amorosotom (Reply #12)
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:58 AM
14. "I actually tried to read the bible all the way through"
Response to M Kitt (Original post)
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 06:40 PM
3. The first thing I thought when I read this was
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"this has been going on forever". If I remember correctly, Jesus made many points about how vile this was, and he condemned the people who thought this way. But then again, you gotta have excuses for your opinions, and they have excuses in spades.
The second thing I though was "I don't give a shit".  |
Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #3)
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:43 PM
4. "Been Going on Forever", yep.
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Thanks Curmudge.
To be honest, I'm an agnostic so the subject of religion is fairly neutral for me. Interesting but not in any obsessive way. Yet religion can be and has been used for political purposes, which is the larger perspective of my original post. I can understand the "Who Cares" comment you stated somewhat differently
But like I said, religion is interesting to me in a larger social context, especially the aspect of Intolerance prevalent among the Fundamentalists. Regarding Religion and Greed: Religious hypocrisy isn't new, hence the term Sanctimony. There aren't many incidents given in the new testament of anger on the part of Jesus. Throwing "Money Changers" from the temple was a metaphor for using religion as a money making enterprise. Placing money before god (or people), in that context, becomes worship of wealth as a replacement. "Greed is Good" to paraphrase Gordon Gekko regarding Wall Street, per the above post
And great wealth is "Godly" by the standards of those who worship it |
Response to M Kitt (Original post)
Sun May 5, 2013, 04:34 PM
Silver Gaia (2,206 posts)
6. The roots of this way of thinking can be found in the historical underpinnings of Protestantism,
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particularly early Calvinism. It was John Calvin's idea of predestination that led to this glorification of wealth as "Godly." If we are to presume, as Calvin and his followers did, that our lives are predetermined by God, that we are either "saved" or "damned" from the moment of our birth, and that there is nothing we can do as we live our lives to change this, then there exists an anxiety in not knowing whether one is (to their way of thinking) going to be rewarded in Heaven or damned to Hell. To ease this anxiety springs the idea that there must be some "signs" we can note as to whether we are favored by God, and thus, one of the "saved." The ability to acquire wealth, particularly through one's own labor (the "Protestant work ethic"
, came to be seen as a sign of God's favor. If God allows you to become wealthy through your work, then surely you are "blessed by God" as one of the saved, and the more wealth you can accrue, the more holy you must surely be. This is a simplified, nutshell version of this history, of course, but hopefully, sheds a little light, for those who may be unaware of it, on the origins of this way of thinking in the Western world. |
Response to Silver Gaia (Reply #6)
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:01 PM
7. Yes, agreed. Essentially they're replacing God with Wealth, tho that's unspoken.
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Calvinists and "Dominionists" share that essential flaw, they're confusing the "Value" of people with their attached wealth.
It's by design, of course, intended to convince the rest of us that the Wealthy are favored by divine fate, and we should accept their "Dominion" over us. In times past wealth wasn't so easily acquired, sustained "middle class" values of today were beyond the reach of nearly everyone. Attributes that have been common throughout history, and continue today to a lesser extent. Mostly under the lineage of "Royalty" in support of Empire, Kings and Queens who supposedly spoke for and represented the Will of God and ruled by "Divine Right". To this day, It's still considered treasonous to critique the Royalty of the United Kingdom (By Law), and Saudi Royalty can behead "Dissidents" based on their accepted "Authority from God". On a Related Topic: And today we're not entirely rid of that mindset in the USA, Fundamentalists still try to impose their "Divine Will" on the rest of us, and self appointed (divinely inspired!) "Voices of God" are running for political office. Which could under other circumstances be REALLY funny, if they weren't so inherently dangerous to themselves and others. Apparently, Fundamentalists of many stripes still use that rationale to justify their behavior, they're "Favored by God" and speaking for that chosen god while encouraging "Divinely Inspired" intolerance of anyone in disagreement with them
Intent on imposing their combined Religious/Political ambitions on the rest of us. How comforting. |
Response to M Kitt (Reply #7)
Mon May 6, 2013, 04:02 AM
Silver Gaia (2,206 posts)
8. I don't really agree that this was "by design."
Response to M Kitt (Original post)
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 08:01 PM
11. These were hot topics of debate among the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes.
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Back around 300 BCE. Good to see we've made some progress.
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