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frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 02:37 PM Apr 2013

When an atheist

does a good deed, a common response from Christians is that the Christian god was working through the atheist, and that it was actually their god that did the good deed. However, when Christians do something good, they get the credit for it.

Whenever I hear this bs, I ask the Christian who said it why their god would perform a good deed through an atheist. What would be in it for their god? Would the atheist suddenly believe that it was really not they, but the Christian god, who’d done the good deed, and become Saved? I’ve never heard of that happening. Would the recipient of the good deed think that he or she could see through the atheist’s pretense of being a caring person and believe that the good deed was done by the Christian god, and that the atheist was merely a tool? I’ve never heard of that happening either, although if the recipient was a Christian, it could.

End of rant. I just get so fed up sometimes.

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When an atheist (Original Post) frogmarch Apr 2013 OP
A signboard message from the church down the street from me is apt EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2013 #1
And along with frogmarch Apr 2013 #2
Close the door, dammit, you're ruining my evil. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #4
Looooool AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Apr 2013 #3
The Good Samaritan skepticscott Apr 2013 #5
The moral of the Good Samaritan trope is that you can be a good person even if you're only a second dimbear Apr 2013 #12
Glad I saw it before deletion! JNelson6563 Apr 2013 #11
Can I throw in my 2 cents? defacto7 Apr 2013 #14
You flatter me unduly. A HERETIC I AM Apr 2013 #15
OK, ok... defacto7 Apr 2013 #17
God works in mysterious ways. Curmudgeoness Apr 2013 #6
"God works in mysterious ways" defacto7 Apr 2013 #16
I've seen atheists do more good than christians in my town. Apophis Apr 2013 #7
I tell the theists amuse bouche Apr 2013 #8
I've found it a good policy to limit the amount of horseshit Warpy Apr 2013 #9
It's that whole Calvinist "Total Depravity" thing Taverner Apr 2013 #10
If God is working thru the atheist, He ought to strike off some of the poor bastard's time in hell. dimbear Apr 2013 #13
I gave a little cash to a pregnant homeless woman over the weekend... cynatnite Apr 2013 #18

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
1. A signboard message from the church down the street from me is apt
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 02:44 PM
Apr 2013

"Atheism is the dark room where evil is developed."

Unfortunately, there are many, many Christians with this attitude, so anything positive you do can only be explained by gawddidit.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
2. And along with
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 02:54 PM
Apr 2013

"gawddidit," there's also the attitude that atheists who do good must have had Christian upbringings - and some of it stuck.

Atheism is the dark room where evil is developed. I'll keep my eye out for that one. Sheesh.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
19. Looooool
Tue Apr 16, 2013, 01:14 AM
Apr 2013

Sigh.

I remember those days. Formaldehyde in the clothes, rubylith for the screen printing, developer stink in the darkrooms. That weirdly sweet chemical stink...

Response to frogmarch (Original post)

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
12. The moral of the Good Samaritan trope is that you can be a good person even if you're only a second
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:46 PM
Apr 2013

class Jew, i.e. a Samaritan. Jesus' big tent stretches that far, but that far only.

The atheist mostly doesn't make any such restrictions.






JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
11. Glad I saw it before deletion!
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 05:33 PM
Apr 2013

Great post! I do little good deeds for people pretty regularly and don't share them with others either. I never thought to mention my atheism. Good idea.

Julie

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
14. Can I throw in my 2 cents?
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:00 PM
Apr 2013

Don't delete this. It's a good lesson for all of us. It's not an "I'm better post", it's like a teacher or a leader post. Self confidence is good. It's not arrogant to be confident and proud of what you do, who you are and what you think. What the xtians do is false humility for a brownie point in heaven. What we do when we do something humanitarian is the real thing. That's what you did... the real thing. Be proud of it and show us the way!

BTW, you are not blowing your own horn... you are blowing the horn of reason!!

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
15. You flatter me unduly.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:44 PM
Apr 2013

While I am flattered by your point that I am blowing the horn of reason, I do what I do because it is right.

Because I am a human.

And all others are my brothers. I am by no means perfect, nor do I, nor can I help everyone that needs it. But when I can, and when I am inclined, I do.

What the xtians do is false humility for a brownie point in heaven


Exactly. Faith on credit.


I appreciate your kind thoughts.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
17. OK, ok...
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:19 PM
Apr 2013

don't catch me on a technicality.

By sharing your story you are helping in another way. By caring and being there and helping out, that is what makes you a great human being and a role model for other atheists. It has nothing to do with being perfect or all inclusive. And by making sure these people know you are not some self serving xtian you are blowing the horn of reason whether you mean to or not... and you should.

Just don't delete.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
6. God works in mysterious ways.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:46 PM
Apr 2013

Very very very mysterious.

God never has done things that make much sense, so why are you trying to figure this out? It is so obvious---there wasn't any Christian around at the time, so he had to make due.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
16. "God works in mysterious ways"
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:07 PM
Apr 2013

I think the scripture goes like this:

God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to deform.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
7. I've seen atheists do more good than christians in my town.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:27 PM
Apr 2013

Atheists do good for others while xtians are in it for themselves.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
8. I tell the theists
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:34 PM
Apr 2013

if you need a book full of fear and threats to make you a moral person, then how moral are you really? Personally I find those types scary and have no trust in them

I would much rather be part of a group that is good, with no expectation or desire of reward or punishment

Warpy

(111,251 posts)
9. I've found it a good policy to limit the amount of horseshit
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:38 PM
Apr 2013

I pay any attention to. It helps the blood pressure.

Another good help is saying "You would think that, wouldn't you? Well bless your heart."

I always mean that in the southern sense.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
10. It's that whole Calvinist "Total Depravity" thing
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 05:20 PM
Apr 2013

They think good things only happen because god is working

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
13. If God is working thru the atheist, He ought to strike off some of the poor bastard's time in hell.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:48 PM
Apr 2013

Fair is fair.


cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
18. I gave a little cash to a pregnant homeless woman over the weekend...
Mon Apr 15, 2013, 09:43 PM
Apr 2013

she said "gawd bless you."

I never say anything when someone says that to me after giving them money, but I always want to say "Please, don't. I'm an atheist." I don't because I don't want the focus to shift to me. That's not why I give money.

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