Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumGreat article by Penn Jillette
Glad to have found this group, So what do you think? It is common sense to me. What's wrong with everyone else?
Dont Replace Religion; End It
"Religion cannot and should not be replaced by atheism. Religion needs to go away and not be replaced by anything. Atheism is not a religion. Its the absence of religion, and thats a wonderful thing.
Religion is not morality. Theists ask me, If theres no god, what would stop me from raping and killing everyone I want to. My answer is always: I, myself, have raped and killed everyone I want to ... and the number for both is zero. Behaving morally because of a hope of reward or a fear of punishment is not morality. Morality is not bribery or threats. Religion is bribery and threats. Humans have morality. We dont need religion.
Atheism is the absence of religion. We dont really need atheism. We just need to get rid of religion.
Religion is faith. Faith is belief without evidence. Belief without evidence cannot be shared. Faith is a feeling. Love is also a feeling, but love makes no universal claims. Love is pure. The lover reports on his or her feelings and needs nothing more. Faith claims knowledge of a world we share but without evidence we can share. Feeling love is beautiful. Feeling the earth is 6,000 years old is stupid."
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/01/22/is-atheism-a-religion/atheism-should-end-religion-not-replace-it
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)But I LOVE that article!!! and I love this quote: I, myself, have raped and killed everyone I want to ... and the number for both is zero.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)Maybe because I have no fear of being turned into salt: or something
Penn is great. He does weekly Sunday School on youtube.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)about what would stop me from raping and killing if I didn't believe in god, my answer is always "I guess that I am just a much better person than you are, because I wouldn't ever consider harming another being, even though I have no fear of hell or hopes of heaven". Shuts them up all the time.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)Are they telling me without the fear of God, they would commit evil acts and crimes?That's a powder keg on the verge of exploding
I'm a golden rule kind of person and believe in Ethics
It's pretty simple to figure out the right way to live
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I don't think it is as bad as you think. I believe that THEY think that they need god to keep them from being sinners. They are trying to justify their beliefs. I doubt that they are any more likely to do evil things than anyone else, but they don't know it.
At least, I hope so.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)but I see the outright hatred towards atheists, so I'm not so sure. A sheriff in a nearby town, here in Fl, is always at war with an outspoken atheist. It's ridiculous
I follow a varied bunch of people on twitter. One @Godless Spellchecker is hilarious, especially his hash tag #thingsthegodlysay. He spars with them daily. A very fun Brit
That is a bunch of crazy religious nuts, so angry that atheists dare to exist
"I believe that THEY think that they need god to keep them from being sinners" ---
I kind of disagree with this. Many love religion because they think they can do anything, ask for forgiveness and all is well. We see this all the time with politicians and the awful religious leaders
It's like a Ponzi scheme
dimbear
(6,271 posts)That definitely includes us. I don't think zebras have much religion. Or miss it much.
CrispyQ
(36,446 posts)Morality is about how you behave, not what you believe. There are a lot of Christians who just don't get that. They are usually the ones who are great Christians on Sunday morning when they are actually at church, but suck the rest of the time.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)"They are usually the ones who are great Christians on Sunday morning when they are actually at church, but suck the rest of the time. "
This a one of the great loopholes and draws of religion. Pastors and priests love this. They can commit heinous acts and just 'ask forgiveness' and all is well
Illogical, ridiculous and vile
CrispyQ
(36,446 posts)LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)"Behaving morally because of a hope of reward or a fear of punishment is not morality."
This is what it comes down to for me. I don't need to be threatened to behave.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)Children are told that Santa is watching, so they better do what they're told.
When Santa is discovered to be a fraud, the threat is switched to a different fictional character.
Just think of the millions of people whose brains have remained so undeveloped and stuck in childhood.