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Judi Lynn

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Wed May 25, 2016, 07:59 PM May 2016

Neanderthals built mysterious cave structures 175,000 years ago

Neanderthals built mysterious cave structures 175,000 years ago

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Wednesday 25 May 2016 13.01 EDT

Mysterious structures found deep inside a French cave are the work of Neanderthal builders who lived in the region more than 100,000 years before modern humans set foot in Europe.

The extraordinary constructions are made from nearly 400 stalagmites that have been yanked from the ground and stacked on top of one another to produce rudimentary walls on the damp cave floor.

The most prominent formations are two ringed walls, built four layers deep in places, which appear to have been propped up with stalagmites wedged in place as vertical stays. The largest of the walls is nearly seven metres across and, where intact, stands up to 40cm high.

“This is completely different to anything we have seen before. I find it very mysterious,” said Marie Soressi, an archaeologist at Leiden University, who was not involved in the research. Unique in the history of Neanderthal achievements, the structures rank among the earliest human building projects ever discovered.

More:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/may/25/neanderthals-built-mysterious-cave-structures-175000-years-ago

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Scientists: Underground stone rings made by Neanderthals
By FRANK JORDANS
Posted: May. 25, 2016 8:00 am Updated: May. 25, 2016 1:03 pm


BERLIN (AP) — Two mysterious stone rings found deep inside a French cave were probably built by Neanderthals about 176,500 years ago, proving that the ancient cousins of humans were capable of more complex behavior than previously thought, scientists say.

The structures were made from hundreds of pillar-shaped mineral deposits, called stalagmites, which were chopped to a similar length and laid out in two oval patterns up to 40 centimeters (16 inches) inches high. They were discovered by chance in 1990, after remaining untouched for tens of thousands of years because a rockslide had closed the mouth of the cave at Bruniquel in southwest France.

While previous research had suggested the structures pre-dated the arrival of modern humans in Europe around 45,000 years ago, the notion that Neanderthals could have made them didn't fit long-held assumptions that these early humans were incapable of the kind of complex behavior necessary to work underground.

Using sophisticated dating techniques, a team led by archaeologist Jacques Jaubert of the University of Bordeaux, France, found that the stalagmites must have been broken off the ground around 176,500 years ago "making these edifices among the oldest known well-dated constructions made by humans."

"Their presence at 336 meters (368 yards) from the entrance of the cave indicates that humans from this period had already mastered the underground environment, which can be considered a major step in human modernity," the researchers concluded in a study published online Wednesday by the journal Nature.

More:
http://www.njherald.com/article/20160525/AP/305259687#

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Neanderthals built mysterious cave structures 175,000 years ago (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2016 OP
I had just read this elsewhere postatomic May 2016 #1
Game pens? nt kristopher Jul 2016 #2
You may have something. They'd have a hard time escaping. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2016 #3
that far into the cave with no light RegexReader Jul 2016 #4

RegexReader

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4. that far into the cave with no light
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jul 2016

outside animals would not do well, would need to continually bring food and supply with fresh water. There would be evidence of manure and feed if these were animal pens. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if these ARE for animals, it would push back the time of domesticating animals way way back.

<speculation="on">The walls were to keep them from rolling off the elevated platform onto the wet while sleeping. <speculation/>

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