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Sun Jul 12, 2020, 02:53 PM

The World Health Organization Will Send a Scientific Team to China to Investigate Covid's Origins.

The news item I'll discuss in this brief post is from Nature, one of the world's premier scientific journals, this one: Scientists call for pandemic investigations to focus on wildlife trade

Subtitle: The World Health Organization is sending scientists to China this weekend to investigate the origins of the COVID-19 outbreak.

(Smriti Malapati, Nature News, July 10, 2020).

The news article is open sourced.

Some brief excerpts:

China’s wildlife trade should be thoroughly investigated as part of efforts to uncover the origin of the coronavirus pandemic, say researchers. The call comes as the World Health Organization (WHO) is sending scientists to China this weekend, ahead of plans for a larger international research team to probe the pandemic’s origin...

...Researchers say the focus should be on activities linked to China’s wildlife trade — both legal and illegal — including hunting areas, storage facilities, farms and markets. “All parts of the wildlife supply chain need to be investigated,” says Alice Latinne, an evolutionary biologist at the Wildlife Conservation Society Vietnam in Hanoi. “We need to test any wild or farmed wild animal species that could potentially be in close and frequent contact with humans in China,” she says.

Most researchers agree that the SARS-CoV-2 virus probably originated in horseshoe bats, but the route it took to get to humans remains a mystery. The virus could have jumped directly from bats to people and evolved over time into the current pandemic strain, or it could have passed through intermediate animals...

...Early in the pandemic, pangolins were thought to be a possible intermediate host of the SARS-CoV-2 virus when researchers detected related coronaviruses in animals that had been seized in southern China between 2017 and 2019. Pangolins are found across southeast Asia and are among the most trafficked animals in the world for their scales, which are used in traditional Chinese medicine. The coronaviruses found in the pangolins were too different to be SARS-CoV-2’s direct ancestor, but researchers say that when and how the animals got infected could provide clues about where SARS-CoV-2 originated...

...The evidence suggests that the pangolins seized in China were exposed to coronaviruses while being transported to their final destination, rather than in the wild, says Jimmy Lee, a researcher with the non-profit EcoHealth Alliance Malaysia in Kuala Lumpur and the paper’s first author. “Pangolins are most likely incidental hosts infected within the wildlife trade,” says Lee, but more research is needed to rule them out as an intermediate host of SARS-CoV-2.

The pangolins could have been infected by other traded animals or the people that smuggled them, says Yujia Alina Chan, a geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard in Cambridge, Massachusetts. In raids, smuggled pangolins have been found with masked palm civets, an intermediate host of the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, and with bat carcasses...


American scientists will not be included in the study, because America's scientific infrastructure has been destroyed by an illiterate ignoramus who had someone else take his SATs because he can't read, he can't think, and he's way to stupid even to grasp how stupid he is.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:01 PM

1. The thing that confused me -

was the article that said that Spain looked back at samples of sewage and found evidence of the virus from samples taken in March, 2019.

Wouldn't be wild if it didn't even come from China?

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Response to OhZone (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:10 PM

2. Right now, there are roughly 6000 Covid papers per month published in the scientific literature.

Many are being published online without peer review.

Papers in major journals have been retracted, including one in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine that I personally read because it had relevance to my own health, and which, had I contracted the disease, I certainly would have discussed with my physician.

There are all kinds of rumors flying around.

I am unfamiliar with any publication that claims that the virus was definitively found in Spanish sewage sample retains from early 2019, but I would not bet the farm on it. Some research is of higher quality than others; some is rushed; and some is badly misinterpreted.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:26 PM

3. Link

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1

I don't trust it. On the other hand, I can see the virus bouncing around at low levels for a long time. Maybe not in Wuhan but someplace not too far away.

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Response to Igel (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:31 PM

4. The most obvious thing to rule out is cross contamination. It's not a very strong paper IMO.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2020, 05:45 PM

5. "He knows not, and knows not that he knows not."

So sad -- and potentially tragic -- that US scientists are so encumbered in their attempts to work on the single most immediate crisis we face, all because a minority of US voters turned the Oval Office over to this con man.

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:12 PM

6. He is Dunning-Kruger reified.

You see these kinds of people over a lifetime, some of whom come to the realization that they are not the experts they thought they were, but this man is so psychologically and morally impaired - so intellectually deficient - that it is absolutely astounding, astounding that he was placed in a position where he could destroy a great country.

He not only makes James Buchanan look good by comparison; he makes Caligula look good.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 14, 2020, 03:59 AM

7. Check out anosognosia. I believe it would explain a lot & it's a contributing factor in his case.

Anosognosia, also called "lack of insight," is a symptom of severe mental illness experienced by some that impairs a person's ability to understand and perceive his or her illness. It is the single largest reason why people with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder refuse medications or do not seek treatment.

https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/key-issues/anosognosia#:~:text=Anosognosia%2C%20also%20called%20%22lack%20of,or%20do%20not%20seek%20treatment.


More at the link.

❤ lmsp

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 14, 2020, 06:46 AM

9. Thanks. I'll look into it when I get a chance.

I've been extremely busy and haven't found the time to look into all the things with which I'd love to familiarize myself.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2020, 06:04 AM

8. Good news. They may be able to limp through it without dominant US scientists. Thanks. n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 14, 2020, 06:48 AM

10. I'm sure they will. I'm sure they will. The days of American scientific preeminence are ending.

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