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c-rational

(2,706 posts)
Sun May 20, 2018, 06:37 AM May 2018

In life, do you think we first have experiences and based on those experiences we develop

beliefs, or do you think that as a result of the beliefs we hold experiences follow? Again, do experiences precede beliefs or do beliefs precede experience?

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In life, do you think we first have experiences and based on those experiences we develop (Original Post) c-rational May 2018 OP
Um, I think we shape our experiences. shanny May 2018 #1
Agreed. An example I heard relevant to me living in NYC an travelling on the subway is how you feel c-rational May 2018 #5
I think experiences precede beliefs. Chemisse May 2018 #2
For most of my life I had it backwards and also believed experiences preceded beliefs. Then c-rational May 2018 #4
I think beliefs precede experience. It's through your jrthin May 2018 #3
"Seth Speaks" - A book by Jane Roberts OxQQme May 2018 #6
Thinking in black and white. JayhawkSD May 2018 #7
I think "belief" creates "reality". CanSocDem May 2018 #8
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
1. Um, I think we shape our experiences.
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:22 AM
May 2018

A single (external) event occurs, but can be experienced differently by different individuals. A defeat for one person is a learning opportunity for another. The power is in us to make it one or the other.

So by that metric, beliefs precede experiences.

c-rational

(2,706 posts)
5. Agreed. An example I heard relevant to me living in NYC an travelling on the subway is how you feel
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:58 AM
May 2018

if you get pushed from behind waiting for a train. Most people do not react kindly based on their typical thinking, however if turn and see an elderly gentleman with a white cane your experience is very different. A good book which touches on this subject is "The Game of Life" by Florence Shinn.

Chemisse

(30,862 posts)
2. I think experiences precede beliefs.
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:29 AM
May 2018

In the case of religion, that often means children being brought up under a belief system, then automatically adopting it as their own as adults.

In my case, a unit on Greek Mythology in sixth grade made me realize that the Christian god was just the end result of a whole evolution of beliefs. I didn't change overnight, but began pondering it, and within a few years had shifted entirely.

Of course our own personalities determine how we react to these experiences. I would bet, for example, that I was the only student in that 6th grade class who wound up abandoning Christianity.

c-rational

(2,706 posts)
4. For most of my life I had it backwards and also believed experiences preceded beliefs. Then
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:49 AM
May 2018

I read a little book "Before You Think Another Thought" by Bruce Doyle and now hold firm to understanding that beliefs precede experience. If you find your experiences wanting examine your beliefs. Weed out the bad ones.

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
6. "Seth Speaks" - A book by Jane Roberts
Sun May 20, 2018, 10:54 AM
May 2018

"You create your own reality."

As you awaken from the sleep state, you have a choice whether to smile or frown at the coming day.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
7. Thinking in black and white.
Sun May 20, 2018, 11:34 AM
May 2018

Life is in shades of gray. I suspect it is pretty silly not to think that it goes both directions. Experience influences belief, while belief influences experience. Both at the same time, including both effects at work in the same event.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
8. I think "belief" creates "reality".
Mon May 21, 2018, 11:26 AM
May 2018


Not only is there scientific evidence dating back to Einsteins time and the introduction of quantum physics, but it easily explains the effects of placebo and hypnosis in the treating of disease. Both highly successful. I would add that the same effect is in play with the vaccination market but this is the 'dog-whistle' that alerts the establishment that you are thinking for yourself.........and that is just not acceptable.


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